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I know that Nic's agent and representatives were in town today to meet with the Blazers' brass. All quiet as of now, wonder how it went?
 
HCP said:
I know that Nic's agent and representatives were in town today to meet with the Blazers' brass. All quiet as of now, wonder how it went?
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I though meeting was scheduled for later today? they met Sunday?
 
Hopefully we didn't kill our cap space for Nic. I like the kid and all, but he's a role player.
 
THANK U MM! Was just gonna post that. Who cares if we lose another bench player that is streaky.
 
With most coaches, you don't have to guess at how much to pay for potential, for a player going into his 5th year. Any other coach has already brought out the player's potential 100%.

McMillan has cost Paul Allen millions of dollars in unrealized potential.
 
When I look at this thread I cant help but wonder if Batum were on another team and about to become a free agent how many people would be all over saying we need to get this guy?
 
Guy is only 23 and is always being asked for by other teams when the trade rumors are swirling. I don't consider him another streaky bench player. When he gets minutes, I think he produces.
 
Boise Blazer said:
When I look at this thread I cant help but wonder if Batum were on another team and about to become a free agent how many people would be all over saying we need to get this guy?
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I dunno, when Tayshaun Prince was 23 did fans clamor for him?

My point is that I wouldn't use this as much of a barometer for measuring the true value of a player, because most fans are stupid and focus on getting a guy who can put up a shitload of points, neglecting the other things a player does (like defense, passing, etc.)
 
Boise Blazer said:
When I look at this thread I cant help but wonder if Batum were on another team and about to become a free agent how many people would be all over saying we need to get this guy?
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How many would say it if he were overpaid though?
 
MM, what do you think he should get. Unfortunately you have to take in shit contracts like the one Afflalo just got. I believe he is getting better and have no beef over paying a bit to keep him. He is my favorite Blazer, so I admit I am biased, but I believe he has a brought future and 7 years younger then Wallace.
 
I'd like to see 5 years 37.5 million. Back loaded would be great because of our contracts. Can they even go 5 years anymore?
 
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Well whether you want to or not you have to look at market value and when you factor in comparables, age and potential I dont think it crazy to think that he will get 8-10 mil.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I'd like to see 5 years 37.5 million. Back loaded would be great because of our contracts. Can they even go 5 years anymore?
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I think we will have to give him around 9 to keep him. Looking around the league, I think that isn't that bad. I think the team that has his Bird rights can give him 5 years. Could be totally wrong.
 
HCP said:
I think we will have to give him around 9 to keep him. Looking around the league, I think that isn't that bad. I think the team that has his Bird rights can give him 5 years. Could be totally wrong.
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I think giving him 9 mil is bad, IMO. I think he is a 6-8 mil per type player so far. I'm tired of our team giving money on possible talent. He may very well be a 9 mil, maybe even a 10-11 mil type player; but until he proves he can be consistent on a seasonable basis; we can't give in to high dollar demands.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I'd like to see 5 years 37.5 million. Back loaded would be great because of our contracts. Can they even go 5 years anymore?
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I think it's only 4 years, but I could be wrong. I thought I remember reading they took a year off the Bird and the regular contracts. So is it 4 years Bird and 3 years reg?
 
Teams overpay players because the chance of them obtaining a similar quality player in FA is less likely.

With someone like Batum, overpaying for his current production isn't a bad gamble.
 
B-Roy said:
Teams overpay players because the chance of them obtaining a similar quality player in FA is less likely.

With someone like Batum, overpaying for his current production isn't a bad gamble.
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If there ever was a way to get a free agent like Batum; I don't think you have to pay 9 mil per. I think you can find someone at his talent level and even more experienced for that price.
 
magnifier661 said:
I think giving him 9 mil is bad, IMO. I think he is a 6-8 mil per type player so far. I'm tired of our team giving money on possible talent. He may very well be a 9 mil, maybe even a 10-11 mil type player; but until he proves he can be consistent on a seasonable basis; we can't give in to high dollar demands.
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Do you believe he deserves fair market value? If you do then how would you compare him to Aaron Aflflalo? I think they are similar stats wise and he is younger. Afflalo got 5yr 43mil which 8.6 mil/yr.
 
magnifier661 said:
If there ever was a way to get a free agent like Batum; I don't think you have to pay 9 mil per. I think you can find someone at his talent level and even more experienced for that price.
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Yes, for his current production I'm sure you can, but the point of paying more is that you're paying for potential. Do you want the Blazers to offer Oden a contract after this season? If yes, anything you offer is paying for production. So ask yourself, is it a better deal to overpay Nic by 1-2 million per year....or Oden for 5-6 or whatever you're going to give him (And which is sure to be over 1-2 million)?

Aside from the bench mob (who are basically useless right now), Nic is the only player on the team with significant room for growth.
 
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magnifier661 said:
I think it's only 4 years, but I could be wrong. I thought I remember reading they took a year off the Bird and the regular contracts. So is it 4 years Bird and 3 years reg?
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I believe it is 4 years for all but one max contract player can be for 5 years.
 
magnifier661 said:
If there ever was a way to get a free agent like Batum; I don't think you have to pay 9 mil per. I think you can find someone at his talent level and even more experienced for that price.
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If we keep lowballing him, I'm sure we'll find out how hard it is to get a FA like Batum in 5 years when his contract with another team is finally up. Pay the man; we're fucked anyway... might as well keep the players I like! :ghoti:
 
B-Roy said:
Yes, for his current production I'm sure you can, but the point of paying more is that you're paying for potential. Do you want the Blazers to offer Oden a contract after this season? If yes, anything you offer is paying for production. So ask yourself, is it a better deal to overpay Nic by 1-2 million per year....or Oden for 5-6 or whatever you're going to give him (And which is sure to be over 1-2 million)?

Aside from the bench mob (who are basically useless right now), Nic is the only player on the team with significant room for growth.
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Now that you put it that way LOL! Okay I can see the justification now. Oden 5-6 mil for 0 production, 1-2 more mil for Batum for his current production + possible production.
 
The reason you pay Oden is because he has shown when healthy that he is a difference maker. His PER in in the mid 20's. Batum has a career high PER in the 17's
 
Ya, but there's so much uncertainty with Greg, and if he can ever sustain that level of play. There's way too much risk involved with giving him a big deal.

Nic, you know better what you are getting (sort of, if Nate ever trusts him to play 30mpg).
 
Yes Batum is a "role player". Why is that a bad thing? He is not an all-star max player. He isn't likely to be the No. 2 on a contending team. But he clearly IMO is capable of being the No. 3, and is more importantly just the kind of "role player" every contender needs to have. I do not believe Batum's combination of skills is easily replaceable in one player. Give him $8 mil per for 4 years...more if you have to.

I would give up every other player on the team, and the coaches, to get a starting core of D-Will, LaMarcus, and Batum. With Rhino and Oden coming off the bench, of course. :)
 
You know, I don't think we can underestimate how big of a favor Roy did Portland by retiring. The fact that were even talking about paying Nic 8-9 million per year.....there's no chance that would have gone down with Roy's contract on the books.

I know we could have still amnestied him, but I just can't see PA and the rest of the front office okaying that move without knowing that Roy was done.

Game 4 was special, but Roy's last decision really improved the outlook of this team for the future.

I miss Roy...
 
Mediocre Man said:
The reason you pay Oden is because he has shown when healthy that he is a difference maker. His PER in in the mid 20's. Batum has a career high PER in the 17's
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Well gee, if him getting healthy was easier than winning the lottery....
 
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