No Deals at the Deadline Reaction Thread (Merged)

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NBA.com's Trade Deadline Winners and Losers

Trade winner: Portland Trail Blazers



http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/rob_peterson/02/19/trademill.deadlinewrap/

strange, every single sports show said Portland were the losers at the trade deadline

 

[andalusian]

strange, every single sports show said Portland were the losers at the trade deadline

So what? Every single sports show said Portland were stupid to take Roy and Aldridge in the 2006 draft.

Sounds to me like KP knew what he wanted to do in order to make a trade - he could not get it - and stayed his course.

Could he have made a mistake? Sure. But in his career as a GM, so far - it is very hard to see any obvious mistake he has made.

 

[THE HCP]

Peoples Anger and Reactions........

It blows me away how negative people are on here. KP didn't make a trade just to make a trade. We are in 4th place on pace for 50+ wins and we are the youngest team in the league! I would have liked some fresh blood in here too, but DAMN! Imagine how everybody would be acting on here IF WE SUCKED!!!!

 

[Entity]

Re: Peoples Anger and Reactions........

Imagine how everybody would be acting on here IF WE SUCKED!!!!

Half of them probably wouldn't even be here.

The angriest voices speak the loudest. I think they're in the minority. With all of the trade talk that happened around here, I'm not surprised.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

Re: Peoples Anger and Reactions........

Some fans just need a hug from a guy in a Snuggie.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Re: Peoples Anger and Reactions........

It blows me away how negative people are on here. KP didn't make a trade just to make a trade. We are in 4th place on pace for 50+ wins and we are the youngest team in the league! I would have liked some fresh blood in here too, but DAMN! Imagine how everybody would be acting on here IF WE SUCKED!!!!

All you have to do is go back to 1992 to get a good appreciation of how fans will always (and I mean Always) be negative.

 

[Entity]

Re: Peoples Anger and Reactions........

Some fans just need a hug from a guy in a Snuggie.

Or from Deebo.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Re: Peoples Anger and Reactions........

It blows me away how negative people are on here. KP didn't make a trade just to make a trade. We are in 4th place on pace for 50+ wins and we are the youngest team in the league! I would have liked some fresh blood in here too, but DAMN! Imagine how everybody would be acting on here IF WE SUCKED!!!!

I don't know if you have noticed . . . but lately, the Blazers might not have sucked, but they haven't been very good.

 

[MARIS61]

Re: Peoples Anger and Reactions........

That's the main difference I've noticed between this board and BBF.

While I am a staunch opponent of censorship and over-moderation, there seems to be an abnormal amount of pure hatred and meanness on this board.

As an experiment I used the ignore feature for 3 days last week on every poster who went overboard (IMO) with their personal attacks on other posters (not attacks against myself as that doesn't faze me).

I was shocked that I ended up "ignoring" nearly a dozen posters. The threads were cut to 1/3 their normal size.

After analyzing the results I was relieved to find only 2 of them were transplants from the BBF or ESPN boards.

Further analysis of their past posts revealed they were mostly quite young and with an obvious lack of understanding of the game or even past Blazers history.

Their main purpose here seems simply to attack people, or the team, from the safety of internet anonymity.

 

[Denny Crane]

Perhaps Paul Allen told KP not to do any trades for now because of Miles back on our books. Maybe KP has a better idea and a trade scheme in the summer.

Paul Allen may have lost a good chunk of his net worth in the stock market. Most rich people did.

Even if he's so rich he doesn't care about blowing money for the chance to win, the NBA still has a huge financial component to it. Even Mark Cuban changed his ways.

That said, RLEC is worth a lot to the Blazers for the same reasons it's worth a lot to the other teams. The Blazers only move was to save even more cap space, eh?

Let the jello set through the summer and see how it works out.

Concrete has to harden, too.

 

[rocketeer]

i don't think the blazers made a mistake in not making a deal at the deadline.

if the blazers actually could have acquired vince carter, gerald wallace, or caron butler(but not richard jefferson and i'll leave out the guys like prince i didn't really hear or read any rumors about) for a package solely consisting of sergio, outlaw, and raef's contract, then the blazers made a mistake. but i think the blazers would have done any of those deals, so they must not have been on the table.

i mean, why would the bobcats trade gerald wallace just to dump nazr's salary? and it's not like they have been dumping salary in their previous trades this year. they actually took on more salary in both the jrich for diaw/bell and morrison for radman trades.

the nets very likely do what to move vince, but they also likely want more talent back than outlaw/sergio. had simply dumping his salary been their main motivation, i think you would have seen vince dealt to the cavs or blazers.

and then the wizards i don't think would give up caron just to dump etan thomas's salary. they definitely aren't set up well financially, but they've had major injuries and etan thomas's contract expires next year anyway. it makes sense for them to either ride it out until they can get healthy or wait until they can find a deal to dump one of their worse salaries(arenas or jamison) before dumping their best player who is on a reasonable deal.

all three trades would have been great for the blazers and had solely dumping salary been the other teams' main motivation they would have been great for them as well. but clearly that must not have been the case.

and i'm glad the blazers didn't dump one or more of rudy, bayless, or batum along with other assets just because they felt it would be a failure somehow to not use raef's contract in a trade. now the blazers save money and really, could still potentially have the same trade targets(wallace, butler, vince, etc) in the offseason with the cap room they'll have. so if dumping salary does become more of a motivation for those teams, the blazers are still in position to take advantage of it.

obviously it's frustrating that there was so much talk about so many different good players coming to the blazers and then nothing actually happened. and i think it is definitely frustrating for most of us here(though not all of us) that it appears likely that sergio will retain the backup pg spot over bayless for the remainder of the season(in my mind, bayless getting those minutes would have been one of the biggest improvements a trade would have brought). but really, i don't think not making a move changes anything. this team is still likely to make the playoffs and contend for homecourt in the first round and depending on the matchups could advance multiple rounds.

 

[B-Roy]

and i'm glad the blazers didn't dump one or more of rudy, bayless, or batum along with other assets just because they felt it would be a failure somehow to not use raef's contract in a trade. now the blazers save money and really, could still potentially have the same trade targets(wallace, butler, vince, etc) in the offseason with the cap room they'll have. so if dumping salary does become more of a motivation for those teams, the blazers are still in position to take advantage of it.

It will be much harder. Portland will be looking at around 6 million in capspace, not 12 million in Raef's contract.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Paul Allen may have lost a good chunk of his net worth in the stock market. Most rich people did.

Even if he's so rich he doesn't care about blowing money for the chance to win, the NBA still has a huge financial component to it. Even Mark Cuban changed his ways.

That said, RLEC is worth a lot to the Blazers for the same reasons it's worth a lot to the other teams. The Blazers only move was to save even more cap space, eh?

Let the jello set through the summer and see how it works out.

Concrete has to harden, too.

Along those lines and what I haven't seen raised is by not trading Raef, PA made about 5 million (a little over a third of Raef's contract). . . which isn't easy in today's economic world.

 

[PapaG]

Along those lines and what I haven't seen raised is by not trading Raef, PA made about 5 million (a little over a third of Raef's contract). . . which isn't easy in today's economic world.

I posted that at least 5 times today. It was never replied to by anyone. I did it at least three times in this very thread.

 

[Minstrel]

It will be much harder. Portland will be looking at around 6 million in capspace, not 12 million in Raef's contract.

$6 to $14 million. And it'll be instant savings, more instant savings than RLEC offered at the deadline. Less total savings, but instant savings is more valuable.

 

[PapaG]

$6 to $14 million. And it'll be instant savings, more instant savings than RLEC offered at the deadline. Less total savings, but instant savings is more valuable.

Don't you love it when the clarity of hindsight starts to shape the reality of a situation?

 

[B-Roy]

$6 to $14 million. And it'll be instant savings, more instant savings than RLEC offered at the deadline. Less total savings, but instant savings is more valuable.

Raef offered ~13 million in freed capspace for around 900K thanks to half the games already being played and insurance covering 80% of his salary.

 

[Minstrel]

Raef offered ~13 million in freed capspace for around 900K thanks to half the games already being played and insurance covering 80% of his salary.

Freed $13 million at the end of the season, but only about $4 million immediately (due to insurance).

This cap space can be used to save teams $6-14 million immediately.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Re: (Merged) Noon Pacific/Post Deadline Thread

Dudes like Batum and Outlaw are no Harris.

And Kidd is a lot older than Wallace or Jefferson.

 

[Paxil]

My thoughts on no big trade

We have seen were playing poker with people gets us... it may get us in the playoffs... win some games... but the price of having those bad cards in the deck nearly destroyed the franchise we all love. We could have been Seattle. It was a short time ago when the Jailblazer era sucked the life out of the Blazers... our own players didn't give a shit... flipped us off... then attendance dropped like a rock... Paul was threatening to sell the team... Stern was saying it didn't look good for Portland and the Rose Garden was so empty I got told to sit down by an attendant when I was standing up cheering.

That my friends... was my lowest moment as a Blazer fan. When even trying to cheer for the team is met with disdain.

Now... look what we have. A playoff bound team with not a bad apple in the bunch. Yeah... I can understand the fascination with the Trader Bob era... trades are exciting... but I'd rather be exited abou the games... and we have home grown talent that wants nothing more to be here. Why risk trading it for someone with boat loads of talent that may never have the desire to apply it. Been there... done that. I'll take what we have now thank you.

And what do we have. A great TEAM. Basketball is a team game... yeah when you compare the individuals... no way we should have the record we do... but this team plays together and they play hard... no one feels they have to jack up shots to get their points... or checks the stat line immediately after the game... they trust each other... and they behave in way I am proud to support.

No big trade? No big deal. A least now if we bring someone in with the cap room... we know they actually want to be here.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Re: Peoples Anger and Reactions........

That's the main difference I've noticed between this board and BBF.

While I am a staunch opponent of censorship and over-moderation, there seems to be an abnormal amount of pure hatred and meanness on this board.

As an experiment I used the ignore feature for 3 days last week on every poster who went overboard (IMO) with their personal attacks on other posters (not attacks against myself as that doesn't faze me).

I was shocked that I ended up "ignoring" nearly a dozen posters. The threads were cut to 1/3 their normal size.

After analyzing the results I was relieved to find only 2 of them were transplants from the BBF or ESPN boards.

Further analysis of their past posts revealed they were mostly quite young and with an obvious lack of understanding of the game or even past Blazers history.

Their main purpose here seems simply to attack people, or the team, from the safety of internet anonymity.

I guess you and I have a different opinion on what is pure hatred and meaness. I have not seen that on this board.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Re: My thoughts on no big trade

My thoughts on no big trade:

I feel worse about it than when Damon was caught at the airport.

Opportunities to get a player of Wallace's caliber rarely come along, and we blew it.

 

[PapaG]

Re: My thoughts on no big trade

My thoughts on no big trade:

I feel worse about it than when Damon was caught at the airport.

Opportunities to get a player of Wallace's caliber rarely come along, and we blew it.

The same opportunity is there this summer, or do you not understand what being under the cap means in terms of taking on a contract? Plus, Wallace hasn't even been in the playoffs as a starter.

I think you are overrating him.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I agree with a couple of posters who said we have two primary problems; lack of perimeter defense and a 2nd scoring option (Roy has recently commented on this, basically saying he needs help).


Since we decided not to address those problems by trade, then the problems need to be addressed internally.
Apparently we have been hoping that certain players would become more consistent and more focused and these problems would be resolved. That hasn't worked and I don't think that players like Outlaw will ever get it. I am not sure if Blake or Rodriguez have the physical tools to be better defenders


Since the best that can realistically be hoped for is that we limp into the playoffs and get eliminated in the first round, I propose that we give more playing time to players that still could improve. I think that Batum has the tools to be a great defender and maybe a better than average offensive player. So let's give him 35 minutes a night to develop. Bayless seems to be the only point guard with the quickness and speed to become a great defender, so let's give him the starting job and let him become what he can become. He may also develop into more of a creator. There is not enough time in the regular season for these guys to develop solely during the limited practices. Also you cannot develop always playing against the same guys.

I think we tried to trade Outlaw, Sergio and Frye and nobody really wanted them. Other GM's believe they have already reached their potential. So put them on the bench where they belong.

Also, if we value Rudy so much, then the team needs to figure out how to utilize him more. If Roy wants another creator, he needs to work individually with Rudy and learn to trust him. This should also be given priority over winning games now.

I guess what I'm saying is that if Allen and KP have decided we are going to stick with this group and not bring in a veteran who can help now, then let's stop putting an emphasis on winning now (they have already stopped that by their inaction) and put an emphasis on solving our internal problems.

 

[B-Roy]

Freed $13 million at the end of the season, but only about $4 million immediately (due to insurance).

This cap space can be used to save teams $6-14 million immediately.

But wouldn't we have to add more players if it was <13 Million?

 

[Minstrel]

But wouldn't we have to add more players if it was <13 Million?

I don't quite follow you. Add more players to what?

 

[Nikolokolus]

But wouldn't we have to add more players if it was <13 Million?

I don't quite follow you. Add more players to what?

Yeah you lost me too B-Roy

 

[B-Roy]

I don't quite follow you. Add more players to what?

To the deal. To match salaries.

 

[PapaG]

To the deal. To match salaries.

Teams under the cap don't need to match salaries provided there is room under the cap after the trade to accept the contract.

 

[Entity]

If the contract we were taking was a number greater than the cap space, then there would have to be a contract added. I think that's what B-Roy is asking.