Note on Ramon Sessions

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Denny Crane said:
Storyteller and I went to a summer league game in Vegas two seasons ago to watch the baby Blazers play. Sergio was there, as was LMA.

Against a bunch of NBA rookies and dregs looking for a shot at the end of the bench, Sergio looked terrible. He was the slowest guy on the court, and looked unathletic and sluggish running the team.

People talk down Nate, but he is playing young guys plenty. Batum sees court time, Roy saw it all along as did Aldridge. Rudy Ferndandez saw 25 MPG last season even as his production fell. You'd think that if Sergio showed any glimmer of being a better player that he'd get the PT.

That's how I see it.
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Thanks for the outsiders perspective.

My fondest recollection of Sergio was when he came bursting in as a totally wild rookie, running loose on the court. I was impressed because I had hope that he'd be able to harness all of that creativity and ability to run the break and combine it with a half-court offense and maybe eventually get a jump shot with some arc on it.

Then I remember watching that same Summer league and then the 2007-2008 season and realized that nothing had changed over the summer. He was just as out of control and his jump shot had shown no improvement whatsoever and now teams had a book on him and knew to sag off of him playing the passing angles and daring him to shoot.

Then there was last Summer and this season and all of the high hopes that he'd been working hard on his jump shot and you could see flashes of it in the pre-season and thought to myself "hey, maybe he finally turned the corner" but the reality is that he didn't and after 3 seasons (and two offseasons) to make strides, the improvements have been too slow coming and not enough. Who knows, maybe he will thrive in a different system, but I have a hard time believing that any NBA head coach is going to put their job security in his hands until and unless he becomes more than just a one tool player. :dunno:
 
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I have expressed the same concerns about Sessions - that this is the 2nd coach that keeps him on the bench - but he was stuck behind Mo Williams last year - and they have Skiles as their coach this year - and he makes Nate's preference to run with veterans seem like a hobby Nate indulges in - in his spare time. He buried Tyrus Thomas and Noah on the bench in Chicago even when their other bigs were not producing - so...
 
Nikolokolus said:
Thanks for the outsiders perspective.

My fondest recollection of Sergio was when he came bursting in as a totally wild rookie, running loose on the court. I was impressed because I had hope that he'd be able to harness all of that creativity and ability to run the break and combine it with a half-court offense and maybe eventually get a jump shot with some arc on it.

Then I remember watching that same Summer league and then the 2007-2008 season and realized that nothing had changed over the summer. He was just as out of control and his jump shot had shown no improvement whatsoever and now teams had a book on him and knew to sag off of him playing the passing angles and daring him to shoot.

Then there was last Summer and this season and all of the high hopes that he'd been working hard on his jump shot and you could see flashes of it in the pre-season and thought to myself "hey, maybe he finally turned the corner" but the reality is that he didn't and after 3 seasons (and two offseasons) to make strides the improvements have been too slow coming and not enough. Who knows, maybe he will thrive in a different system, but I have a hard time believing that any NBA head coach is going to put their job security in his hands until and unless he becomes more than just a one tool player. :dunno:
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That is the whole thing. Sergio has never improved. Flat out never. He hasn't improved offensivly, defensivly, or in the intangibles. In fact, he fucking sucks. I can hardly wait for that dipshit to get off the team and quit wasting good Oregon Oxygen soon.
 
I actually thing that Sergio did improve. He was terrific as a rookie because he was un-scouted and people played him as if he could shoot. Once they figured he can not - they played him right and that showed in his miserable 2nd year. This year he is back more or less to his rookie production - when people know how to play him. This shows, to me, that he improved. It also shows me, however, that he is unlikely to be a productive NBA player in the long run, especially in the system we play with a dominant SG that needs the ball in his hands.

Sergio is a better player - the unfortunate thing is that it is not a big enough improvement to keep him as someone that helps this team take the next step.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Actually some of the chatter I've heard is neither.
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I've read that, too, from a Milwaukee Bucks beat writer.

I definitely think Sessions is gettable. The main question (assuming Pritchard also likes and wants Sessions, which we don't know) is whether there are other teams that want Sessions who have cap space. OKC and Memphis have cap space, but are unlikely to be hunting a point guard. Both teams may actually be trying to poach Villaneuva.
 
Atlanta could be after him if they are ready to let go of Bibby. They are in a very similar position to us - Veteran PG that is OK but not great, young PG that was hyped before the draft that so far has not panned out.

They are probably going to be our biggest challenge to signing him - if, as was noted, KP is interested.
 
BrianWheeler said:
you mean Miluakee wants to let them both walk?
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They're already right near the luxury tax threshold. Signing either to a larger contract would push them over and they've been pretty clear that they don't want to go into luxury tax territory.

It's possible that they could renounce one or both, because the capholds of the two players keep them near the luxury tax threshold, which prevents them from being able to add salary. Of course, even if they renounced those two players, they'd still be over the cap but then they could try to add someone with the MLE.
 
BrianWheeler said:
you mean Miluakee wants to let them both walk?
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It's not really about 'want' it's more about financial need. Herb Kohl is pretty much dead set against paying the luxury tax, and they see Michael Redd, Richard Jefferson and Bogut as their primary core (which is backed up by the amount of salary those guys rake in).

The funny thing is that when we passed on the reported trade that would have brought us Richard Jefferson and Luke Ridnour, that supposedly dragged on until the 11th hour of the trade deadline, we may have ensured that they didn't ship one or the other of those two guys to a different team which all but guaranteed that they'd be a cap constrained team this summer ... I wonder if KP and Tom Penn knew this and were hoping to set themselves up to 'steal' Sessions this summer when they knew Milwaukee would be in a weaker financial situation and would be unable or unwilling to match.

Are they really that devious and Machiavellian? I hope so!! :cheers:
 
Nikolokolus said:
It's not really about 'want' it's more about financial need. Herb Kohl is pretty much dead set against paying the luxury tax, and they see Michael Redd, Richard Jefferson and Bogut as their primary core (which is backed up by the amount of salary those guys rake in).

The funny thing is that when we passed on the reported trade that would have brought us Richard Jefferson and Luke Ridnour, that supposedly dragged on until the 11th hour of the trade deadline, we may have ensured that they didn't ship one or the other of those two guys to a different team which all but guaranteed that they'd be a cap constrained team this summer ... I wonder if KP and Tom Penn knew this and were hoping to set themselves up to 'steal' Sessions this summer when they knew Milwaukee would be in a weaker financial situation and would be unable or unwilling to match.

Are they really that devious and Machiavellian? I hope so!! :cheers:
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yeah I was reading a theory on that I think yesterday in Oregonlive.. It struck me as possible.. and smart.. like KP Screwing Houston out of Roy, and SAS out of Batum lol.
 
BrianWheeler said:
yeah I was reading a theory on that I think yesterday in Oregonlive.. It struck me as possible.. and smart.. like KP Screwing Houston out of Roy, and SAS out of Batum lol.
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I know it's not an original idea (I believe I saw it mentioned at the time of the trade deadline), but I do remember KP stating that they thought the market could turn even more favorably for them this summer, this scenario certainly fits the profile.

If this ends up being true, remind me never to play chess or high stakes poker with KP.
 
Boob-No-More said:
You seriously overestimate Sergio's passing skills. He's good at finding the open man before the defense gets set, but once the defense has established position, he's way below average at EVERYTHING. Teams know he can't shoot worth crap. So, in the half-court they simply back off him, play the passing lanes, let him dribble around pointlessly and dare him to shoot the ball. And, it works.


BNM
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Exactly. He has not shown he can do anything well in the half court.
 
So what's your point Rasta? 80% of that highlight reel was Rudy catching lobs in transition or it was against the Kings. What does that have to do with him playing in the half-court -- for the record I think he's a great spot up shooter in the half-court, but that doesn't require the "Spanish Armada" to happen.
 
Nikolokolus, Rastapopoulos,

Are you guys related?

barfolarfolas
 
all the passes were from sergio... or at least most of them
 
Only 2 were in the half court offense and they were because Rudy was wide open.
 
cdub503 said:
all the passes were from sergio... or at least most of them
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My original quote was:

"He's good at finding the open man before the defense gets set, but once the defense has established position, he's way below average at EVERYTHING."

Nothing in that highlight reel changes that. 8 of the 10 passes were definitely before the defense was set. At most, two of them, were out of the half court offense. Two lob passes a season doesn't prove that someone is good at running a half court offense.

BNM
 
The Spanish Chris Paul ----> [video=youtube;O5bsSsDdF2I]
 
I'll bet if I worked hard enough at it I could compile a highlight reel of Channing Frye plays that would make him look like the "American" Amare Stoudamire.
 
I love Rudy, but he isn't a great dunker by any means. Yeah, he can catch an alley-oop with two hands and throw it down. But that is pretty much it.
 
RickyRubio said:
I love Rudy, but he isn't a great dunker by any means. Yeah, he can catch an alley-oop with two hands and throw it down. But that is pretty much it.
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I actually thought his dunk from behind the backboard in the dunk contest was much nicer then I thought he could pull off.
 
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