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Boebert is gonna win. She’s down 60 votes and most of what remains is from areas that more heavily support her. That squeaker is just gonna squeak by.
 
Oregon's new gun law:

We've had states recently reduce the restrictions for getting guns and having them in public. Now we have a state drastically increasing the restrictions on gun ownership. This is a good thing. We hopefully will get raw data from multiple states that will help to set effective policies in multiple states.

Having more guns vs having fewer guns.

How else do we solve senseless gun violence unless we try multiple solutions?
 
"Fuck what the people want, we know what's better for them."



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SlyPokerDog said:
Oregon's new gun law:

We've had states recently reduce the restrictions for getting guns and having them in public. Now we have a state drastically increasing the restrictions on gun ownership. This is a good thing. We hopefully will get raw data from multiple states that will help to set effective policies in multiple states.

Having more guns vs having fewer guns.

How else do we solve senseless gun violence unless we try multiple solutions?
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Please show how this will decrease senseless gun violence. It is actually going to increase gun sales. I know I am going to buy two more guns before this goes through. As I said earlier most peoples handguns they have for personal protection are not illegal. Are they getting rid of those guns nope just going to buy a new gun that holds fewer bullets. So now instead of having 2 pistols I will have 3. Will it decrease gun violence doubtfully. They should be going after mental health, but that is not a hot topic like gun control. The gun manufactures love it because their sales are about to go through the roof.
 
twobullz said:
Please show how this will decrease senseless gun violence. It is actually going to increase gun sales. I know I am going to buy two more guns before this goes through. As I said earlier most peoples handguns they have for personal protection are not illegal. Are they getting rid of those guns nope just going to buy a new gun that holds fewer bullets. So now instead of having 2 pistols I will have 3. Will it decrease gun violence doubtfully. They should be going after mental health, but that is not a hot topic like gun control. The gun manufactures love it because their sales are about to go through the roof.
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For the record, I'm not anti-gun.

Like I said, we're now going to look at both sides of the gun ownership coin. More restrictions vs fewer restrictions. That's not a bad thing.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm arguing that making it significantly harder to acquire guns will not hurt criminals, it will only hurt law abiding citizens.
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Most people think they're the "law abiding citizen" who need a gun to protect themselves. Yet a lot of the gun violence ends up coming from those "law abiding citizens", see below:

Except study after study show that people living in homes with guns face substantially higher risks of being fatally assaulted or wounded.

"A new study from my research team, recently published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, shows no such benefits. We found the opposite: people living in homes with guns face substantially higher risks of being fatally assaulted.

Mass shootings are the most visible form of gun violence in America. But they account for a small fraction of all fatal shootings. Most of these deaths are lesser-known, private tragedies that occur in homes and on the streets."

"People living with handgun owners died by homicide at twice the rate of their neighbors in gun-free homes. That difference was driven largely by homicides at home, which were three times more common among people living with handgun owners.

We detected much larger differences for particular types of homicide. Most notably, people living with handgun owners were seven times more likely to be shot by their spouse or intimate partner. In many of these cases, instead of being protective, the household gun probably operated as the instrument of death.

An especially troubling finding was that the vast majority of victims in these intimate partner shootings—84% in all—were female. It stands to reason that women bear the brunt of any second-hand risks that flow from firearm ownership. That’s because most people who live with gun owners and don’t themselves own guns are women.

Study findings in one other area were noteworthy: homicides perpetrated by strangers. Homicides of this kind were relatively uncommon in our study population—much less common than deaths perpetrated by the victim’s partner, family members, or friends. But when they happened, people living with gun owners did not experience them less often than people in gun-free homes.

This result clashes with a classic narrative promulgated by gun rights groups: firearm owners use their weapon to turn away or overpower a threatening intruder, thereby protecting home and hearth. We did not detect even a hint of such protective benefits. If anything, our results suggest that cohabitants of handgun owners were more likely to be killed by strangers, although that result did not reach statistical significance."

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Violent Crime and Homicide rates are worse in states with weaker gun laws:
  • States that received an “F” grade based on the strength of their gun laws—according to the latest scorecard from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence—saw the highest homicide rates: 14
    • States with “F” grades saw 25 percent higher homicide rates than states with “C” or “D” grades.15
    • States with “F” grades saw 61 percent higher homicide rates than states with “A” or “B” grades—states with the strongest gun laws.16
  • Children and teenagers are most vulnerable in states with weaker gun laws:
    • In 2020, the 10 states with the highest rates of gun deaths among children and teenagers ages 1 to 19 were Louisiana, Alaska, Mississippi, South Carolina, Arkansas, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, and Alabama.17 All of these states received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws.
  • Reports also suggest that rates of nonfatal gunshot injuries sustained during assaults are higher in states with weaker gun laws:
    • In 2017, the year with available data across states, states that received an “F” grade had a rate of nonfatal gunshot injuries that was 22 percent higher than states with “C” or “D” grades and 59 percent higher than states with “A” or “B” grades.18
Report: States with strong laws see less gun violence
States with weaker gun laws have higher rates of firearm related homicides and suicides, study finds
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But hey, keep fighting the good fight brah.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
For the record, I'm not anti-gun.

Like I said, we're now going to look at both sides of the gun ownership coin. More restrictions vs fewer restrictions. That's not a bad thing.
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I get that, this bill was just not written well. To many people voted for it not knowing what they were truly voting for. The see gun control and voted for it with no clue what was in the bill.
 
noknobs said:
Most people think they're the "law abiding citizen" who need a gun to protect themselves. Yet a lot of the gun violence ends up coming from those "law abiding citizens", see below:

Except study after study show that people living in homes with guns face substantially higher risks of being fatally assaulted or wounded.

"A new study from my research team, recently published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, shows no such benefits. We found the opposite: people living in homes with guns face substantially higher risks of being fatally assaulted.

Mass shootings are the most visible form of gun violence in America. But they account for a small fraction of all fatal shootings. Most of these deaths are lesser-known, private tragedies that occur in homes and on the streets."

"People living with handgun owners died by homicide at twice the rate of their neighbors in gun-free homes. That difference was driven largely by homicides at home, which were three times more common among people living with handgun owners.

We detected much larger differences for particular types of homicide. Most notably, people living with handgun owners were seven times more likely to be shot by their spouse or intimate partner. In many of these cases, instead of being protective, the household gun probably operated as the instrument of death.

An especially troubling finding was that the vast majority of victims in these intimate partner shootings—84% in all—were female. It stands to reason that women bear the brunt of any second-hand risks that flow from firearm ownership. That’s because most people who live with gun owners and don’t themselves own guns are women.

Study findings in one other area were noteworthy: homicides perpetrated by strangers. Homicides of this kind were relatively uncommon in our study population—much less common than deaths perpetrated by the victim’s partner, family members, or friends. But when they happened, people living with gun owners did not experience them less often than people in gun-free homes.

This result clashes with a classic narrative promulgated by gun rights groups: firearm owners use their weapon to turn away or overpower a threatening intruder, thereby protecting home and hearth. We did not detect even a hint of such protective benefits. If anything, our results suggest that cohabitants of handgun owners were more likely to be killed by strangers, although that result did not reach statistical significance."

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Violent Crime and Homicide rates are worse in states with weaker gun laws:
  • States that received an “F” grade based on the strength of their gun laws—according to the latest scorecard from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence—saw the highest homicide rates: 14
    • States with “F” grades saw 25 percent higher homicide rates than states with “C” or “D” grades.15
    • States with “F” grades saw 61 percent higher homicide rates than states with “A” or “B” grades—states with the strongest gun laws.16
  • Children and teenagers are most vulnerable in states with weaker gun laws:
    • In 2020, the 10 states with the highest rates of gun deaths among children and teenagers ages 1 to 19 were Louisiana, Alaska, Mississippi, South Carolina, Arkansas, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, and Alabama.17 All of these states received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws.
  • Reports also suggest that rates of nonfatal gunshot injuries sustained during assaults are higher in states with weaker gun laws:
    • In 2017, the year with available data across states, states that received an “F” grade had a rate of nonfatal gunshot injuries that was 22 percent higher than states with “C” or “D” grades and 59 percent higher than states with “A” or “B” grades.18
Report: States with strong laws see less gun violence
States with weaker gun laws have higher rates of firearm related homicides and suicides, study finds
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But hey, keep fighting the good fight brah.
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Fake News!!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Anyone follow the drama in Clackamas county during the last election?

The lady in charge of Clackamas county elections is a real POS. (She was not reelected.)

Anyway, there are some rumors starting to swirl in Clackamas co.

The last update from Clackamas co on election results was last night at 11:08pm. No updates since then.

MAGAs were allowed into the CC voting headquarters last election and apparently they were allowed in last night.
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According to their website, they are only releasing results at 6:00 each day.
 
noknobs said:
Most people think they're the "law abiding citizen" who need a gun to protect themselves. Yet a lot of the gun violence ends up coming from those "law abiding citizens", see below:

Except study after study show that people living in homes with guns face substantially higher risks of being fatally assaulted or wounded.

"A new study from my research team, recently published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, shows no such benefits. We found the opposite: people living in homes with guns face substantially higher risks of being fatally assaulted.

Mass shootings are the most visible form of gun violence in America. But they account for a small fraction of all fatal shootings. Most of these deaths are lesser-known, private tragedies that occur in homes and on the streets."

"People living with handgun owners died by homicide at twice the rate of their neighbors in gun-free homes. That difference was driven largely by homicides at home, which were three times more common among people living with handgun owners.

We detected much larger differences for particular types of homicide. Most notably, people living with handgun owners were seven times more likely to be shot by their spouse or intimate partner. In many of these cases, instead of being protective, the household gun probably operated as the instrument of death.

An especially troubling finding was that the vast majority of victims in these intimate partner shootings—84% in all—were female. It stands to reason that women bear the brunt of any second-hand risks that flow from firearm ownership. That’s because most people who live with gun owners and don’t themselves own guns are women.

Study findings in one other area were noteworthy: homicides perpetrated by strangers. Homicides of this kind were relatively uncommon in our study population—much less common than deaths perpetrated by the victim’s partner, family members, or friends. But when they happened, people living with gun owners did not experience them less often than people in gun-free homes.

This result clashes with a classic narrative promulgated by gun rights groups: firearm owners use their weapon to turn away or overpower a threatening intruder, thereby protecting home and hearth. We did not detect even a hint of such protective benefits. If anything, our results suggest that cohabitants of handgun owners were more likely to be killed by strangers, although that result did not reach statistical significance."

-------------------

Violent Crime and Homicide rates are worse in states with weaker gun laws:
  • States that received an “F” grade based on the strength of their gun laws—according to the latest scorecard from the Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence—saw the highest homicide rates: 14
    • States with “F” grades saw 25 percent higher homicide rates than states with “C” or “D” grades.15
    • States with “F” grades saw 61 percent higher homicide rates than states with “A” or “B” grades—states with the strongest gun laws.16
  • Children and teenagers are most vulnerable in states with weaker gun laws:
    • In 2020, the 10 states with the highest rates of gun deaths among children and teenagers ages 1 to 19 were Louisiana, Alaska, Mississippi, South Carolina, Arkansas, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, and Alabama.17 All of these states received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws.
  • Reports also suggest that rates of nonfatal gunshot injuries sustained during assaults are higher in states with weaker gun laws:
    • In 2017, the year with available data across states, states that received an “F” grade had a rate of nonfatal gunshot injuries that was 22 percent higher than states with “C” or “D” grades and 59 percent higher than states with “A” or “B” grades.18
Report: States with strong laws see less gun violence
States with weaker gun laws have higher rates of firearm related homicides and suicides, study finds
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But hey, keep fighting the good fight brah.
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That’s honestly amazing logic.

Being around guns increases your chance at being shot. Amazing. How many people did it take to figure that out? Should I commission a study to see if driving increases your chance at getting in a car wreck? How about flying increases your chance at dying in a plan crash? Or maybe lung cancer from smoking?

They’re not gonna release a similar study for knives because everyone has a knife in their house. Literally everyone.

But…….”In the USA victims and offenders of knife violence are more likely to be female, less likely to be minorities, and are significantly older than firearm victims and offenders. The victim and offender in the case of a knife homicide are also significantly more likely to be closely related to one another. Unlike many other countries, in the USA the problem of knife violence appears much more similar to domestic violence than the typical street crime involving firearms.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36148686/

Is it possible that crimes of passion or suicide will involve the most convenient option, whether it’s a gun or a knife or their bare fists?

And if we remove guns from the equation, do you think someone who snapped is going to suddenly have a clear head and think, “well shit I don’t have a gun. I need to calm down and not kill my wife.”
 
Natebishop3 said:
You responded to your own post? That’s honestly impressive. I don’t even think Sly has done that and he’s the biggest attention whore on this site (love you sly).
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I feel like I've seen HCP do it a few times recently without quoted his prior post (to limit exposing himself as an even bigger tool than he already is).
 
Natebishop3 said:
That’s honestly amazing logic.

Being around guns increases your chance at being shot. Amazing. How many people did it take to figure that out? Should I commission a study to see if driving increases your chance at getting in a car wreck? How about flying increases your chance at dying in a plan crash? Or maybe lung cancer from smoking?

They’re not gonna release a similar study for knives because everyone has a knife in their house. Literally everyone.

But…….”In the USA victims and offenders of knife violence are more likely to be female, less likely to be minorities, and are significantly older than firearm victims and offenders. The victim and offender in the case of a knife homicide are also significantly more likely to be closely related to one another. Unlike many other countries, in the USA the problem of knife violence appears much more similar to domestic violence than the typical street crime involving firearms.” https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36148686/

Is it possible that crimes of passion or suicide will involve the most convenient option, whether it’s a gun or a knife or their bare fists?

And if we remove guns from the equation, do you think someone who snapped is going to suddenly have a clear head and think, “well shit I don’t have a gun. I need to calm down and not kill my wife.”
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That's honestly "amazing" logic. I type shit that completely proves your argument is bullshit and you turn to knives. Keep going, you're really doing well here.
 
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noknobs said:
That's honestly "amazing" logic. I type shit that completely proves your argument is bullshit and you turn to knives. Keep going, you're really doing well here.
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We are talking about domestic violence, no? Or do you think the guns come alive and start shooting people? Once again, you and many people like you seem to think that guns are the reason for killing and not the method. It’s not domestic violence or suicide. It’s the guns. Do you think that guns have some kind of hypnotic power? I have lived around guns my entire life. I have never shot anyone. I have never had the urge to shoot someone. Maybe it’s like Jedi mind tricks. You have to have a weak mind? Are you worried that if you had a gun it would corrupt you?
 
99% reporting. Boebert down 64 votes. That election isn't going to be resolved any time soon. How many recounts will there be? How many challenged ballots?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Being around guns increases your chance at being shot. Amazing. How many people did it take to figure that out?
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... Thanks for agreeing with me, I guess?

Natebishop3 said:
Should I commission a study to see if driving increases your chance at getting in a car wreck?
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They’re not gonna release a similar study for knives because everyone has a knife in their house. Literally everyone.
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Cars are not meant to be weapons and it’s been proven that driving a car gets you to other places faster than walking. Kitchen knives have been shown to help cut food and such so they also seem to have a purpose other than warding off all the home intruders you’ve been having. If our educational system hadn’t failed you and you knew how to read, you’d have read:

This result clashes with a classic narrative promulgated by gun rights groups: firearm owners use their weapon to turn away or overpower a threatening intruder, thereby protecting home and hearth. We did not detect even a hint of such protective benefits. If anything, our results suggest that cohabitants of handgun owners were more likely to be killed by strangers, although that result did not reach statistical significance."

So if it doesn't have the purpose you keep harping about, and as you said, "being around guns increases your chance of being shot", then.............

Natebishop3 said:
Or maybe lung cancer from smoking?
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Great argument, lol. It's like, yeah smoking does cause more lung cancer, so maybe don't do it?

If your argument is to simply point to other inanimate objects and say, well if you own a pencil it's more likely you'll stab someone with a pencil so therefore we should make guns easier to buy, then go for it. To say that's flawed logic is an understatement. But really the headline is you can still buy more bang-bangs, so you’ll be okay. You're really overreacting.

Natebishop3 said:
I have lived around guns my entire life. I have never shot anyone. I have never had the urge to shoot someone.
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I had no idea you think you represent the precise character, background, restraint and circumstance of every other person in the state.
 
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I'm thrilled Kari Lake lost and Boebert is behind and facing a loss.
 
riverman said:
I'm thrilled Kari Lake lost and Boebert is behind and facing a loss.
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I haven't seen anyone saying Lake has lost (and they've only supposedly counted 70% and I've read the areas lagging in reporting are her strongholds). And latest report I have seen on Boebert is that she is 64 votes short.

I ain't celebrating shit, yet.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
I haven't seen anyone saying Lake has lost (and they've only supposedly counted 70% and I've read the areas lagging in reporting are her strongholds). And latest report I have seen on Boebert is that she is 64 votes short.

I ain't celebrating shit, yet.
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Boebert has 99% counted and 76 votes separates them. That one will be going to a recount.
 
ABM said:
If true, why didn't Crist see through all that and campaign accordingly? This ain't Crist's first rodeo. 20% is a HUGE margin!
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Fear of death is a powerful motivation...
 
bigbailes said:
Please explain to me how gerrymandering affected a governors race that has nothing to do with districts and is just a straight popular vote. I'm hearing the same word come out of peoples mouths in Texas and figure they just don't know what it means. Obviously I get how it can give the governor's power to keep the state house/senates one way or the other, but it had nothing to do with DeSantis/Abbott winning.
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If minorities are afraid to vote that plays a big role.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Because Kotek is a shit candidate. Most democrats I have spoken to think she's a shit candidate. I don't know anyone who is actually excited about her as Governor. But once again the Dems can pretty much trot out someone with a pulse and still win.
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When Republicans are attacking individual rights, yeah.
 
twobullz said:
Boebert has 99% counted and 76 votes separates them. That one will be going to a recount.
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Exactly. Except, as I said earlier, I see it's only separated by 64 votes (156,746 versus 156,682). Probably multiple recounts.

I am glad that both the AG and SOS of CO are Dems...
 
Natebishop3 said:
Any guesses on the over/under for how long it will take to get a permit issued to buy a gun?

Right now it's about 12-18 months to get a tax stamp for a suppressor from the ATF. I'm going to say at least that long. God forbid you're a woman who has a stalker and you want to buy protection. I guess you'll be able to go get a gun in a year maybe?
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Black market. If it's easier to be a criminal more law abiding citizens will do it.
 
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