Nurk 3 yrs 45 million?

[Phatguysrule]

I'm struggling to understand here. As was discussed in another thread, the Warriors had the cap room to sign KD, and we can't even afford to keep Davis. How can anyone defend our current approach to cap management?

I take it many of you don't care about what happened with Nurk in the play-offs? Do you really think Nurk could get an offer like that on the open market, or is the extra some sort of guilt tax for making him stay in horrible old Portland?

We could have afforded to keep Davis.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Cap space doesn't work out for us the way you are implying it does.

Cap space's functionality isn't as limited as you are implying it is.

 

[illmatic99]

What big free agents have we ever signed? We had a TON of cap space a few years ago. What All Star did we aquire? Borderline All Star?

Oh right... We gave Evan Turner that sweetheart deal that every other team in the league is jealous of... Is that what you're advocating for?

Cap space doesn't work out for us the way you are implying it does.

You're mixing arguments.

We just let Ed Davis walk for nothing because we can't afford to pay him $4.4 million.

We are paying 5 mil to three guys to stay away from the team. Let that sink in.

We aren't in a position to overpay anybody, even slightly.

 

[dviss1]

We just let Ed Davis walk for nothing because we can't afford to pay him $4.4 million.

You literally just made that up.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We just let Ed Davis walk for nothing because we can't afford to pay him $4.4 million.

To be fair, we fans assume that they let Ed walk because of the tax implications of keeping him. However, it is conceivable that Olshey simply decided that his skillset (or specifically, his lack of any jump shot) was no longer a desirable asset for this squad.

Certainly not reasoning with which I agree, but it's conceivable, so it's probably unfair to simply state that financial concerns were the sole basis for his departure.

 

[illmatic99]

You literally just made that up.

You really buying this spacing crap that Neil said?

 

[Sarni]

When we're paying over 5 mil a year in dead cap for Andrew Nicholson, Anderson Varejao, and Festus Ezeli, you try to squeeze Nurk. It's how businesses should be run. Clearly you don't agree or follow.

The risk in Nurk taking the QO for a year and hitting unrestricted free agency next year is not a big deal when we still hold his bird rights. If you want to overpay him, make him prove it first. Nurk underachieved a lot of expectations last year.

That’s a great point. Next year we will be the only team in the NBA who could go and offer him $15million, if he takes QO this year. Also, taking QO also keeps him motivated for the year because he’s playing for a contract.

With so many 1-year deals signed this year next years free agency will be full of expired players, there won’t be enough money for all of them again because most of the monstrosities of contracts from 2016 expire in 2020 not next year.

You can’t measure contracts by how much 2916 free agents make. Those guys basically won their money in a lottery. Pretty much none of them are going to make anywhere near this in the future. Likewise, there were a few 2017 free agents who got the same luck - not as many but still. There are still some teams who reckoned it’s still 2016 like Minnesota with Wiggins but even they are regretting that already.

It’s like some GMs cannot count, really. All of them went ballistic in 2016 for some reason, giving out terrible contracts while bidding against nobody. You cannot be that stupid anymore so the market is going back to fair value. Actually this year players are getting underpaid if anything because there’s no money left.

 

[BlayZa]

probably a lil high in this market, but considering how incredibly shit we've been at contracts, it would be tolerable.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Cap space's functionality isn't as limited as you are implying it is.

How have we used cap space in the past that would net us a player better than Nurkic?

 

[1eyejack]

You're mixing arguments.

We just let Ed Davis walk for nothing because we can't afford to pay him $4.4 million.

We are paying 5 mil to three guys to stay away from the team. Let that sink in.

We aren't in a position to overpay anybody, even slightly.

Personally I think it had more to do with opening up playing time for the younger players. No way was Stotts going to play the younger bigs over Ed except Collins. This forces coach to play them and hopefully ups there value

 

[PtldPlatypus]

How have we used cap space in the past that would net us a player better than Nurkic?

Honestly, I'm really not interested in addressing a question based on the unspoken fallacious assumption that "cap space" is the only thing sacrificed by over-paying players. If we have learned nothing this off-season (and last), we should understand that lack of financial flexibility and contract immobility severely restrict a franchise's options both in free agency and the trade market, and severely hamper's a GM's ability to remodel, reshape, and tweak a roster as necessary, and can often have unforeseen consequences, such as the undesired departure of a player that has been or could potentially be a significant contributor, or the inability to pursue a player who would, under normal circumstances, be a relatively reasonable target.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Honestly, I'm really not interested in addressing a question based on the unspoken fallacious assumption that "cap space" is the only thing sacrificed by over-paying players. If we have learned nothing this off-season (and last), we should understand that lack of financial flexibility and contract immobility severely restrict a franchise's options both in free agency and the trade market, and severely hamper's a GM's ability to remodel, reshape, and tweak a roster as necessary, and can often have unforeseen consequences, such as the undesired departure of a player that has been or could potentially be a significant contributor, or the inability to pursue a player who would, under normal circumstances, be a relatively reasonable target.

Very well stated.

 

[hoopsjock]

Honestly, I'm really not interested in addressing a question based on the unspoken fallacious assumption that "cap space" is the only thing sacrificed by over-paying players. If we have learned nothing this off-season (and last), we should understand that lack of financial flexibility and contract immobility severely restrict a franchise's options both in free agency and the trade market, and severely hamper's a GM's ability to remodel, reshape, and tweak a roster as necessary, and can often have unforeseen consequences, such as the undesired departure of a player that has been or could potentially be a significant contributor, or the inability to pursue a player who would, under normal circumstances, be a relatively reasonable target.

The only thing I'd say to counter that is the owner could choose to pay tax and the restrictions wouldn't be as limited. The Blazers aren't flexible right now because they are choosing not to be. They actually do have a decent amount of flexibility if they use the TPEs.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Honestly, I'm really not interested in addressing a question based on the unspoken fallacious assumption that "cap space" is the only thing sacrificed by over-paying players. If we have learned nothing this off-season (and last), we should understand that lack of financial flexibility and contract immobility severely restrict a franchise's options both in free agency and the trade market, and severely hamper's a GM's ability to remodel, reshape, and tweak a roster as necessary, and can often have unforeseen consequences, such as the undesired departure of a player that has been or could potentially be a significant contributor, or the inability to pursue a player who would, under normal circumstances, be a relatively reasonable target.

Our current inflexibility is largely a function of the Turner and Leonard 2016 contracts. Moe's contract isn't nearly as onerous and Ezeli is off the books.

Our flexibility will be limited until those contracts either expire (summer of 2020), or we somehow pay someone to take them off our hands.

Knowing that our cap flexibility is minimal until then, I'm fine with slightly overpaying Nurk for two years, with a 3rd year team option, to keep him and keep him happy and motivated. If we won't have any flexibility anyway, I'd rather maximize what we have than lose Nurk for nothing, or have him sulking and feeling underpaid.

Absolute worst case, he doesn't pan out and we decline his option the same time Turner and Meyers (and possibly Moe) come off the books.

Best case, Nurk continues to improve and looks like a bargain and we get him at below market value by exercising the 3rd year option. DAL just gave DeAndre Jordan $24 million for one year. So, if Nurk continues to improve, he may very well be a bargain at $15 million three years from now.

BNM

 

[kjironman1]

I'm struggling to understand here. As was discussed in another thread, the Warriors had the cap room to sign KD, and we can't even afford to keep Davis. How can anyone defend our current approach to cap management?

I take it many of you don't care about what happened with Nurk in the play-offs? Do you really think Nurk could get an offer like that on the open market, or is the extra some sort of guilt tax for making him stay in horrible old Portland?

Actually when Portland started running the offense through Nurk in game four they played pretty well.

 

[kjironman1]

I would rather lock Nurk up on a reasonable deal now than have him become an unrestricted free agent and lose the guy for nothing.

This is completely up to Nurkic at this point. My bet is he takes the QO and goes for Unrestricted Free Agency. Why wouldn't he?

 

[tester551]

Our current inflexibility is largely a function of the Turner and Leonard 2016 contracts. Moe's contract isn't nearly as onerous and Ezeli is off the books.

BNM

Don't forget the nearly $5M in dead money that we have for Ezeli, Sideshow Andy, & Nicholson (Crabbes remaining contract).

 

[tykendo]

You're mixing arguments.

We just let Ed Davis walk for nothing because we can't afford to pay him $4.4 million.

We are paying 5 mil to three guys to stay away from the team. Let that sink in.

We aren't in a position to overpay anybody, even slightly.

3 yrs. 45 mil./per isn't overpaying a young developing center like Nurk. Jusaf is light years talent-wise ahead of Meyers so there is no need to make Nurkic pay for the sins of Leonard's deal. Nurk will continue to develop and make that contract look brilliant. Hopefully he takes it.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Has this number been reported ANYWHERE else?

 

[hoopsjock]

Has this number been reported ANYWHERE else?

Nope, sure hasn't.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Nope, sure hasn't.

Starting to smell an awful lot like someone in the Bosnian media trying to do Nurk (or perhaps Papa Nurk) a favor.

BNM

 

[Phatguysrule]

Honestly, I'm really not interested in addressing a question based on the unspoken fallacious assumption that "cap space" is the only thing sacrificed by over-paying players. If we have learned nothing this off-season (and last), we should understand that lack of financial flexibility and contract immobility severely restrict a franchise's options both in free agency and the trade market, and severely hamper's a GM's ability to remodel, reshape, and tweak a roster as necessary, and can often have unforeseen consequences, such as the undesired departure of a player that has been or could potentially be a significant contributor, or the inability to pursue a player who would, under normal circumstances, be a relatively reasonable target.

I believe the answer is that cap space has never netted us a player as good as Nurkic can be. Brian Grant is about the best, and that was a long freakin time ago.
Please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[riverman]

Modern game you need to score about 130 pts a game to beat the contenders in a series...Grizzlies old school game is history

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Modern game you need to score about 130 pts a game to beat the contenders in a series...Grizzlies old school game is history

I don’t like it... Maybe I’m just lame, or getting old or something but I don’t like the 3 point contest teams take a lot of possessions off on defense basketball the NBA has gone towards.
I guess it’s more entertaining so that’s what they do, but I think it’s drifted too much towards offense all the time.

 

[riverman]

I don’t like it... Maybe I’m just lame, or getting old or something but I don’t like the 3 point contest teams take a lot of possessions off on defense basketball the NBA has gone towards.
I guess it’s more entertaining so that’s what they do, but I think it’s drifted too much towards offense all the time.

If you don't have those weapons the Warriors will run away with every game after halftime...that's the bar to contend

 

[riverman]

Nurk signed for 4 years 48 mill..4th year partially guaranteed....done...franchise center is Nurk he got some of what we would have paid Ed but deservedly more than Meyers

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

If you don't have those weapons the Warriors will run away with every game after halftime...that's the bar to contend

You’re absolutely right.