Nurk: 4/48 deal official

[kjironman1]

I think Love would be perfect in our system while Collins develops.

Dame
CJ
Aminu
Love
Nurk

I'm not sure if that's a championship team, but I think it's still top 4 in the west.

Thing is if the team is actually top 4 then they are in the mix. With the way seasons can change due to injuries and other issues you need to be in the running at the end. I honestly do not feel GS wins their first chip without injuries and if Paul stays healthy last year what happens?

 

[craigehlo]

Vucevic for the TPE and 1st rounder would a great deal (doubt the Magic have any interest). I'd start Vucevic at PF since he like to shoot the elbow jumper alongside Nurk. While all the teams try to play small ball, we should zig instead if zag and have two competent legit bigs with Collins off the bench.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Mason Plumlee got more money per year. Interesting. Very good deal by Olshey.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Olshey is dropping everyone on the team older than 23 with a PER lower than 16. Harkless, Turner, and Aminu are probably on the block hard right now.

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Mason Plumlee got more money per year. Interesting. Very good deal by Olshey.

Maybe we can trade Leonard for Plums

 

[Scalma]

With Ed gone and the large number of guards/wings we picked up in the draft and free agency, I wonder if we'll use the TPE on a veteran back up center for Nurk, possibly as a 1-year rental.

Vucevic at $12,750 with 1-year remaining works.

Prior to July 1, Tyson Chandler would have worked, but not any more.

Dewayne Dedmon at $6.3 million for 1-year easily works. I wouldn't want to rely on the guy as a starter, but he'd be a decent back up. I just don't see any real advantage for Dedmon at $6.3 million over Ed at $4.4 million.

Not much else out there.

BNM

They let Davis go for a reason. He can’t shoot. I don’t see why they’d want Dedmon.

I like the idea of Jonathon Simmons. We need some toughness.

 

[Stevenson]

I was thinking Nurk could have very easily taken his QO and bet on himself for next year going for much bigger money.

I think Nerlens Noel has become a cautionary tale for these guys. Can't leave $50 million on the table. That's actually crazy money in any universe.

 

[Scalma]

Vucevic for the TPE and 1st rounder would a great deal (doubt the Magic have any interest). I'd start Vucevic at PF since he like to shoot the elbow jumper alongside Nurk. While all the teams try to play small ball, we should zig instead if zag and have two competent legit bigs with Collins off the bench.

Vucevic would get destroyed defensively at the four. He can barely defend the 5.

 

[TBpup]

Olshey finally didn't outbid himself when no one else was bidding. I guess kudos are in order if the bar is set that low.

Still, a good deal.

 

[Boob-No-More]

They let Davis go for a reason. He can’t shoot. I don’t see why they’d want Dedmon.

I like the idea of Jonathon Simmons. We need some toughness.

Like I said, I can't see why we'd want Dedmon at $6.3 million when we could have kept Ed for less.

Vucevic can shoot. He's still a decent rebounder and a underrated passer, but would be a very expensive backup (by the time you figure in the luxury tax). He only has one year left at his current salary. We'd hold his Bird rights. So, we could let him walk for nothing after a year, or resign him for less - a lot less.

BNM

 

[BBert]

I was ok with 3 years at 15 as a slight overpay. I actually almost posted 12 per would be perfect.

This is perfect

 

[BonesJones]

Like I said, I can't see why we'd want Dedmon at $6.3 million when we could have kept Ed for less.

Vucevic can shoot. He's still a decent rebounder and a underrated passer, but would be a very expensive backup (by the time you figure in the luxury tax). He only has one year left at his current salary. We'd hold his Bird rights. So, we could let him walk for nothing after a year, or resign him for less - a lot less.

BNM

Dedmon can shoot somewhat as well.

 

[jlprk]

Mason Plumlee got more money per year. Interesting. Very good deal by Olshey.

It's the league-wide economics this summer, not Olshey.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Vucevic would get destroyed defensively at the four. He can barely defend the 5.

Which is why I'd play him at the back up 5. He'd be fine in that role if he wasn't so damned expensive. He'd certainly be better than Meyers.

I like that Zach has put on some muscle, but I still don't think he's ready to play the 5, either physically or mentally. Give him another year and he should be ready to be our starting 4 with spot minutes backing up Nurk at the 5.

BNM

 

[Phatguysrule]

Awesome! Such great news.

 

[jlprk]

The thread title is inaccurate. It should be changed to either "4/53" or "4/48 plus incentives."

 

[Scalma]

You know what, fuck the TPE. I’d take Beasley over any potential TPE target.

So either sign Beasley, or focus on bigger trades. Then call it an offseason.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Dedmon can shoot somewhat as well.

In one year, his average made FG distance went from 3.2 feet in San Antonio to 12.5 feet in Atlanta. It looks like he discovered he has a jump shot, or more likely Bud would let him shoot it and Pop wouldn't.

In the process, his TS% fell from .645 to .599, which is still quite respectable (and exactly his career average) and significantly better than Nurk's career best .528.

For comparison, Nikola Jokic, the $148 million man, had a TS% of .603 last season. Obviously, Jokic can do a lot of other things Dedmon can't, but it does show that Dedmon isn't a complete offensive zero.

BNM

 

[hoopsjock]

You know what, fuck the TPE. I’d take Beasley over any potential TPE target.

So either sign Beasley, or focus on bigger trades. Then call it an offseason.

I still think they should take on a contract for a draft pick with the TPE so they can then use that pick to sweeten their offers for Love or others.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It's the league-wide economics this summer, not Olshey.

Olshey had to go up against this guy.

 

[Scalma]

I still think they should take on a contract for a draft pick with the TPE so they can then use that pick to sweeten their offers for Love or others.

I just can’t see Cleveland trading us love without asking for Collins in return. I’m just not interested in that. I’d rather go after Kawhi.

 

[Scalma]

In one year, his average made FG distance went from 3.2 feet in San Antonio to 12.5 feet in Atlanta. It looks like he discovered he has a jump shot, or more likely Bud would let him shoot it and Pop wouldn't.

In the process, his TS% fell from .645 to .599, which is still quite respectable (and exactly his career average) and significantly better than Nurk's career best .528.

For comparison, Nikola Jokic, the $148 million man, had a TS% of .603 last season. Obviously, Jokic can do a lot of other things Dedmon can't, but it does show that Dedmon isn't a complete offensive zero.

BNM

It’s not about whether he can shoot a little bit, it’s about whether he can make the defense respect him enough to abandon hedging Dame and C.J. Connaughton could shoot a bit. Napier could shoot a bit. But no one respected them enough to actually adjust any of their schemes.

I hate to say this, but unless something changes, Meyers is going to get another opportunity to play.

 

[hoopsjock]

I just can’t see Cleveland trading us love without asking for Collins in return. I’m just not interested in that. I’d rather go after Kawhi.

I wouldn't give up Collins either. Maybe if Swanigan has another big summer league they would be fooled into thinking he's a better prospect.

 

[HailBlazers]

I just note that in every game all season, Nurkic seems about the same as the opposing center. He doesn't stand out. Eyeball test. I'm sure you have stats amplified by the Stotts system, but that's what I see.

When we had Plumlee, nobody thought anything of him, and after each game I would notice he was usually 2nd best in our boxscore stats after Lillard. Everyone else (using their eyes) thought that McCollum was 2nd-best, but despite his shooting, it was Plumlee in the stats. So I expect that you have found something similar with Nurkic's stats which make him appear better than his talent level.

I'm happy to have a true heavy intimidating center, not a skinny PF trying to be a center. Wish we had a true SF, not a nondribbling PF trying to be.

Eyeballs need checked, your vision only sees offense apparently.

 

[BBert]

Olshey had to go up against this guy.

If that were the case Olshey would have given Nurk 30 per

 

[SlyPokerDog]

If that were the case Olshey would have given Nurk 30 per

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[James lamphear]

I think Meyers Leonard would be the definition of "DEBT" at that position, ha ha.

That what I am afraid of for next year.

 

[Scalma]

Now that I think about it I think we’ll see a Meyers/Collins duo with the second unit. And theoretically it COULD work.

Offensively Meyers floats on the perimeter and spaces the court like the bitch he is, and Collins plays closer to the basket.

Defensively Meyers plays center, Collins PF.

Another option would be Biggie instead of Meyers, same role.

 

[James lamphear]

He played 79 games last year.

I was talking about Love.

 

[Boob-No-More]

It’s not about whether he can shoot a little bit, it’s about whether he can make the defense respect him enough to abandon hedging Dame and C.J. Connaughton could shoot a bit. Napier could shoot a bit. But no one respected them enough to actually adjust any of their schemes.

I hate to say this, but unless something changes, Meyers is going to get another opportunity to play.

I'm not claiming Dedmon is the next Steph Curry, but have you looked at his shooting stats from last season? He shot a very respectable .471 from 10 - 16 feet and .470 from 16 feet to the 3-point line, and he did so on a significant number of attempts.

As I mentioned, his average made FG distance was 12.5 feet, compared to 2.4 feet for Ed Davis.

I'm not claiming Dedmon is the next LaMarcus Aldridge either, but to compare him to another mid-range shooter we're all familiar with, Dedmon shot better from those distances than Aldridge (.471 vs. .438 from 10 - 16 feet and .470 vs. .431 from 16 feet to the 3-point line). He also had a greater average made FG distance than Aldridge (12.5 feet vs. 9.8 feet).

Obviously, Dedmon can't carry an offense or demand the defensive attention Aldridge can, but if he can repeat last year's shooting, he'd at least keep opposing defenses honest (or make them pay if they aren't).

I'm not a huge Dedmon proponent, but if the alternative is Meyers Leonard, sign me up.

BNM