NYPD: 2 Gay Men Attacked Outside Movie Theater In Chelsea

[Denny Crane]

No more than the gay couple walking out of the movies holding hands, holding hands or kissing in public, etc. even in a red nick bar.

If it offends you, go somewhere else. If you decide to go beat the shit out of them, I hope you rot in jail.

Since you won't get my meaning, if SOMEONE is offended, they can leave.

 

[Denny Crane]

Who said they were hurting or assaulting anyone?

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That would be asking for it. Making some sort of threat.

 

[oldguy]

What you described happens all the time by straight couples in bars. Are they asking for it too?

Not in the bars I've been in around here. I stop for a beer 3-4 times a week at a different tavern, and I've never seen anyone, gay or straight, sucking on each other's faces, feeling each other's asses, purposely making a spectacle of themselves. I can guarantee that, at the bar I go to, if a straight couple did that, someone would tell them to get a room.

I already said I don't like seeing straight couples do that. Doing what they did at a gay bar? No big deal. Doing that at some night clubs? Probably no big deal. Doing that at a redneck bar is stupid and dangerous, unless they figure they'll just kick the ass of anyone that doesn't like it.

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[oldguy]

Some men hear about a woman in a short skirt getting raped and say "she was asking for it". That's just dumb. Perhaps she could have been more cautious and lived her life in such a way to never make anyone attracted to her, but most of us agree that the woman is not asking to be raped just because she doesn't wear a chastity belt and carry a 12 gauge when she meets her friends for a margarita.

Cool story bro. What's that got to do with anything?

Well, same thing with a couple of guys kissing at a bar. They are not asking for it in any way. They are not living their lives in fear, always being careful nobody sees them kissing. These men are not asking for it any more than the woman in the shirt skirt is asking to be raped.

I said in my post that they have ever right to make spectacles of themselves. I just think it's stupid and reckless.

If they came in holding hands and someone started picking shit with them for that, I would try to intervene (I wouldn't get in a fight over it, but I would try to buy the offended party a drink and attempt to dissuade him from fighting with them. But, coming in and mauling each other in the middle of this bar like they did....if someone had started shit with them, I would have sat back and watched.

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[oldguy]

"Asking for it" implies fault. No one is at fault for being gay, no matter where they are. A black guy goes into a KKK rally and gets beaten. He does not ask for it. Would he have been wise to avoid the situation? Yes. But he still didn't ask for it.

Make up your own definition of what asking for it means, by all means. I didn't say they were at fault. I said the are stupid and reckless. I said they have a right to do what they did. It was just dumb.

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[oldguy]

But the "outrageous" behavior you point to is accepted as normal when straight couples do it. I see it ALL THE TIME and I really don't go out all that much. Yes, sometimes it gets uncomfortable and if it was my friend I'd tell them to get a room, but no one harasses them about it.

I've been going to bars for 40 years. I've never once seen a straight couple (or a different gay couple for that matter) sit at the bar in the middle of a bunch of other patrons, then proceed to french kiss for 30-60 seconds at a time, while feeling each other up in front of everyone there. Where, exactly, do you see this 'ALL THE TIME'?

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[oldguy]

"Your mama's ugly"

that's an assault and asking for it

I thought you said

No one asks for it, ever.

What's up with that?

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[oldguy]

this

If you don't want to see it, leave, look somewhere else, or ignore it.

Fuck leaving because two guys were being assholes. I don't want to see it, but I don't do a fucking thing about it. I even defend their right to be stupid. But, if they get the shit stomped out of them, I would just shrug it off.

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[Denny Crane]

I thought you said

What's up with that?

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In context. "They're asking for it."

"No, they're not."

 

[Denny Crane]

Fuck leaving because two guys were being assholes. I don't want to see it, but I don't do a fucking thing about it. I even defend their right to be stupid. But, if they get the shit stomped out of them, I would just shrug it off.

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You. Would.

 

[oldguy]

The point of the analogy: put yourself in the other person's shoes.

I guess it was lost on you?

The point is you say silly shit, then when it's pointed out, you start you slip-slimy bullshit.

You said what you said. Then, you contradicted what you said by describing situations where someone would be asking for it.

You might try manning up and admitting that you are talking bullshit when you are.

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[Denny Crane]

The point is you say silly shit, then when it's pointed out, you start you slip-slimy bullshit.

You said what you said. Then, you contradicted what you said by describing situations where someone would be asking for it.

You might try manning up and admitting that you are talking bullshit when you are.

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In all the 40 years of going to the bars, how many times did you see a gay couple French kissing for 60 seconds with hands on asses?

That's the bullshit, "bro."

 

[oldguy]

The point of the analogy: put yourself in the other person's shoes.

I guess it was lost on you?

Yeah, it is lost on me. Why should I put myself in their shoes? I don't think they should get beat up. I didn't advocate for them needing beat up.

Feel good up on the pedestal?

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[oldguy]

No more than the gay couple walking out of the movies holding hands, holding hands or kissing in public, etc. even in a red nick bar.

If it offends you, go somewhere else. If you decide to go beat the shit out of them, I hope you rot in jail.

I think you've lost your fucking mind Denny.

If you go home tonight and kill your whole family, I hope you rot in hell. That makes as much sense as what stupid drivel you're spouting.

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[oldguy]

That would be asking for it. Making some sort of threat.

I thought nobody asks for it, ever.

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[DaLincolnJones]

Also the "red neck bar, full of loggers,cowboys mill workers..."shouldn't be discounted as some mindless thug group. I've been in dives out in every corner of our state, played pool on tilted tables with the likes of all these rednecks, and have one hell of a time. And most all of them are thinking people like you and I. They just like overalls, bud light and bull riding more than your average city slicker does. Give them the credit to be able to handle a gay couple. And they obviously did, only making one comment that could be heard directed at straight or gay couples who were getting a little more intimate than the lighting called for.

I am not besmerching the inteligence of these fellows, but rather pointing out a vastly different value system..tell me what you think of a logger bar in Philomath AFTER you have been there smart ass

 

[oldguy]

You. Would.

Damned. Straight.

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[DaLincolnJones]

I actually don't care what you do or don't do. I'm just pointing out "asking for it" where you live. For doing things you wouldn't give a second thought to as being "asking for it."

denny..you spend most of your time trolling..or asking for it..but I do thank you for the one thread you allow something positive..

 

[oldguy]

I am not besmerching the inteligence of these fellows, but rather pointing out a vastly different value system..tell me what you think of a logger bar in Philomath AFTER you have been there smart ass

Do those lumberjacks wear overalls at the bullfights in Philomath?

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[DaLincolnJones]

Do those lumberjacks wear overalls at the bullfights in Philomath?

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no...they wear dumb asses as hats for fun

 

[Further]

I am not besmerching the inteligence of these fellows, but rather pointing out a vastly different value system..tell me what you think of a logger bar in Philomath AFTER you have been there smart ass

I have been to logger bars, and yes, a very different value system. But times are changing, everywhere. I admit I talk diferently in here than I would in a rural tavern, but that doesn't mean they lack the compassion or understanding to deal with gays in their neck of the woods. They also have sisters or nephews, uncles or friends who are gay. They might not approve, but most, if given the chance, are man enough and modern enough to let the gay couple be in peace.

That's all I was saying. And quite frankly, being a stand up person is a highly valued by them too, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone did start pushing them around, unlike oldguy, some of those red necks might just step up and protect the innocent.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I have been to logger bars, and yes, a very different value system. But times are changing, everywhere. I admit I talk diferently in here than I would in a rural tavern, but that doesn't mean they lack the compassion or understanding to deal with gays in their neck of the woods. They also have sisters or nephews, uncles or friends who are gay. They might not approve, but most, if given the chance, are man enough and modern enough to let the gay couple be in peace.

That's all I was saying. And quite frankly, being a stand up person is a highly valued by them too, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone did start pushing them around, unlike oldguy, some of those red necks might just step up and protect the innocent.

you are welcome to test your beliefs..anytime..lol

 

[Further]

you are welcome to test your beliefs..anytime..lol

Just trying not to over generalize. I would rather assume people are good, and let them prove me wrong.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Just trying not to over generalize. I would rather assume people are good, and let them prove me wrong.

not all values are yours..wake the fuck up

 

[oldguy]

I have been to logger bars, and yes, a very different value system. But times are changing, everywhere. I admit I talk diferently in here than I would in a rural tavern, but that doesn't mean they lack the compassion or understanding to deal with gays in their neck of the woods. They also have sisters or nephews, uncles or friends who are gay. They might not approve, but most, if given the chance, are man enough and modern enough to let the gay couple be in peace.

That's all I was saying. And quite frankly, being a stand up person is a highly valued by them too, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if someone did start pushing them around, unlike oldguy, some of those red necks might just step up and protect the innocent.

I said I would try to help if they were just holding hands and got hassled. But I'm not going to get hurt for some offensive jerks.

Their behavior offended me. It offended a lot of others there too. That behavior being offensive is independent of being gay. If some guy was rubbing up his girlfriend in the middle of a bar, I would be offended then too. If he got beat up for doing that to his date/gf/wife/hooker, I wouldn't lift a finger then, either. I would leave that to badasses like you and Denny.

If me being offended by them offends you, feel free to piss and moan until the cows come home. That's your right. I trust you'll defend my right to not give a rip.

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[DaLincolnJones]

meh..its a single value system. only theirs counts..fuck them

 

[oldguy]

meh..its a single value system. only theirs counts..fuck them

 

[crandc]

Not surprising the bible thumpers say the men were "asking for it".

Someone starts a thread about gay men being attacked, before you can take a shit someone else starts talking about other people who were "asking" to get beat up. Usually you have to be a woman to hear that.

 

[oldguy]

Not surprising that the resident homojihadist would continue her incessant drum beat to condemn anyone that doesn't agree with her on gay issues.

Given that you consider the Folsom Street Fair just a bunch of normal people walking around in leather shows that, as far as you're concerned, there is nothing a gay person can do to be offensive.

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[crandc]

Good grief. Where did Folsom Street come into the discussion? And jihad?

I guess insults are easier than, you know, reading what someone actually said.