Obama/Romney Debate: ROUND II

[EL PRESIDENTE]

lol really. Is that the righties angle?

Sad.

No. Obama did fine, however he didn't "hit it out of the park" like he needed to. The townhall format was supposed to be his bread and butter because he's a "people person", so no biggie really.

I've heard that Romney has been saving up his attack ads for the last 3-4 weeks, so expect them to ramp up.

 

[RoyToy]

All that really matters is what the people of a few states think

Fucking swing staters

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

YEah, I'm writing myself in.

 

[RoyToy]

46% Obama, 39% Romney according to CNN poll

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

not a total domination, which is all that really matters. won't be a funny saturday night live skit, etc.

3rd debate is on foreign policy which most voters could care less about.

 

[Denny Crane]

[video=youtube;3Nu6VZ9DeVc]

Fact check:

Obama press release calling it an act of terror on Sept. 12th

Another Romney lie.

Candy Crowley on CNN says that she was aware that Obama said what he did in the Rose Garden, but she also says he was asked directly if it was a terrorist act shortly after and then again for 2 weeks and he said no. She also said the administration for two weeks blamed some youtube video for inciting a riot when there ultimately turns out there was no riot whatsoever at the embassy.

Go fact check it.

 

[Denny Crane]

46% Obama, 39% Romney according to CNN poll

Seems about right to me.

 

[Denny Crane]

Who won debate? CNN-ORC poll of debate watchers: Obama 46%, Romney 39%. Margin of error: +/- 4.5%. Basically a draw. #CNNDebates " - @SamFeistCNN

 

[Further]

Not only was that an Obama win, but Romney really seemed like an ass.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

All that really matters is what the people of a few states think

Fucking swing staters

I just checked the swing states and Obama has decent leads in most of them.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Who won debate? CNN-ORC poll of debate watchers: Obama 46%, Romney 39%. Margin of error: +/- 4.5%. Basically a draw. #CNNDebates " - @SamFeistCNN

I watched about 15 minutes and I thought Obama was doing a better job.

 

[RoyToy]

Fucking undecided voters

 

[noknobs]

Fucking undecided voters

Fucking close-minded, partisan voters

 

[ehizzy3]

I'm going to move to Ohio where my vote will consistently matter.

 

[RoyToy]

Fucking close-minded, partisan voters

If you're an undecided voter this close to the election you're an idiot

It's either

R
D
3rd party candidate
Not voting because you hate every candidate

If you can't decide at this point then just stop trying

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

have you looked at what amurrica is nowadays? its a wasteland of idiots and scammers.

 

[noknobs]

If you're an undecided voter this close to the election you're an idiot

Nuh uh, you're dumb

 

[Denny Crane]

RealClearPolitics has the Electoral College at 201 Obama, 191 Romney, 146 tossups.

9 EV Colorado - Romney +0.7 (won 4 of the last 6 polls)
29 EV Florida - Romney +2.5 (and won the last 5 straight polls)
15 EV North Carolina - Romney +4.7(and won the last 3 polls, 5 of the last 6)
244 for Romney if he wins these

4 EV New Hampshire - Obama +0.5 (down from +6 ten days ago)
13 EV Virginia - Obama +0.8 (down from +3.7 fifteen days ago, Romney has won the last three polls) <------- Romney's going to win this
6 EV Nevada - Obama +1.6 (down from +5.2 two weeks ago)
10 EV Wisconsin - Obama +2.3 (down from +7.6 two weeks ago)
6 EV Iowa - Obama +2.3 (down from +4.7 three weeks ago)
16 EV Michigan - Obama +4.4 (down from +10 eleven days ago)
20 EV Pennsylvania - Obama +5 (down from +8 ten days ago)

257 if Romney wins CO, FLA, NC, and VA

And the one that I think wins it for either Obama or Romney:
18 EV OHIO - OBAMA +2.2 (down from +5.5 thirteen days ago)

275 if Romney wins Ohio

 

[Denny Crane]

BTW

All that talk of coal was aimed at coal miners who live in Ohio and PA.

 

[Denny Crane]

CBS News Poll

37% say Obama won
30% say Romney won
33% say it was a tie.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Romney backers sure are pissy tonight.

 

[MickZagger]

Candy Crowley on CNN says that she was aware that Obama said what he did in the Rose Garden, but she also says he was asked directly if it was a terrorist act shortly after and then again for 2 weeks and he said no. She also said the administration for two weeks blamed some youtube video for inciting a riot when there ultimately turns out there was no riot whatsoever at the embassy.

Go fact check it.

Coming out right after the fact and calling it a terror attack should be good enough for a reasonable person. Having to back that up after it was politicized by the Romney campaign is a fruitless act.

 

[maxiep]

BTW

All that talk of coal was aimed at coal miners who live in Ohio and PA.

Exactly. I couldn't figure out why he kept embracing coal...then I thought about SE Ohio and Western PA.

 

[Denny Crane]

Coming out right after the fact and calling it a terror attack should be good enough for a reasonable person. Having to back that up after it was politicized by the Romney campaign is a fruitless act.

I saw her say this on CNN:

http://freebeacon.com/candy-crowley-he-was-right/

After the debate, debate moderator Candy Crowley said Republican nominee Mitt Romney was “right in the main” but “picked the wrong word” on the Obama administration’s immediate response to the terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya, that left four Americans dead.

Crowley interrupted Romney during the debate, insisting that President Obama had in fact called the attack an “act of terror.”

ROMNEY: I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror.

OBAMA: Get the transcript.

CROWLEY: It — it — it — he did in fact, sir. So let me — let me call it an act of terror…

OBAMA: Can you say that a little louder, Candy?

CROWLEY: He — he did call it an act of terror. It did as well take — it did as well take two weeks or so for the whole idea there being a riot out there about this tape to come out. You are correct about that.

In a statement given in the Rose Garden on Sept. 12, Obama emphasized an anti-Islam video, before saying that “no acts of terror would shake the resolve of this great nation.”

The administration’s narrative on the attack over the next two weeks was muddled.

On Sept. 16, U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice attributed the attack on the U.S. Consulate to violent protests stemming from a “heinous and offensive” video.

On Sept. 25, the president himself declined to call the attack an act of terrorism during an interview with “The View,” saying that an investigation was still ongoing.

 

[Further]

PPP Poll: Colorado voters give Obama a 48/44 victory in the debate- more importantly 58/36 among independents. Sample is R+3

 

[maxiep]

If President Obama was so convinced it was a terrorist attack, why did Susan Rice take such great pains (as the Obama surrogate) to tell every single Sunday show that it had to do with a spontaneous uprising from a video? Crowley stepped in and did so incorrectly.

 

[MickZagger]

Who won debate? CNN-ORC poll of debate watchers: Obama 46%, Romney 39%. Margin of error: +/- 4.5%. Basically a draw. #CNNDebates " - @SamFeistCNN

+/- 4.5% is a draw when the poll has Obama winning by 7%?

Is this the kind of math you use when you 'analyze' Romney's 5 pt plan?

 

[MickZagger]

I watched about 15 minutes and I thought Obama was doing a better job.

I applaud you for being truly Independent like for a change. Your lack of a party needs your support!!!

 

[Denny Crane]

+/- 4.5% is a draw when the poll has Obama winning by 7%?

Is this the kind of math you use when you 'analyze' Romney's 5 pt plan?

CNN's analysis is the same as mine earlier in the thread. It had to be a huge knockout kind of fight to be a real win for either side. I expected Obama to show up, and he did. There was no knockout.

This basically says it as I see it:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-neither-romney-nor-obama-looked-good/263732/

Obama Wins on Points, But Squabbles Cast a Pall Over the Debate

Who won? The cheap answer is Obama because his goal following a catastrophically sluggish first debate was so clear: Show some life. And, indeed, the president aggressively criticized Romney, labeling him a hypocrite and a liar who favors the rich at the expense of the middle class and poor.

But Romney got his licks in, too, wrapping a miserable economy around the incumbent's neck. "The middle class is getting crushed by the policies of a president who does not understand what it takes to get the economy working again," Romney said.

Bottom line: Call it a tie.

 

[TehChad]

Great debate, overall I think Obama articulated very well and probably "won" the debate, though I don't really see debates as having a winner or loser. IMO It's like going to a concert with Metallica and Justin Bieber and asking "who was better?!"

Anyway, after tonight I actually think Al Gore was right and the altitude in Denver did play a part in Obama's poor performance in debate #1. 8 years ago I was required to visit Fairchild AFB in Spokane for high altitude training, and among other things we were taught how to handle sudden cabin depressurization at high altitude, as well as learning (and dealing with) the effects of hypoxia. At one point we were taken into an air-tight chamber that could simulate high altitudes, and as we reached 25,000', we were instructed to take off our oxygen masks and complete as many questions as we could on a sheet a paper handed out at that time. The questions were pretty basic (which word doesn't belong, basic arithmetic, etc), and at first I was breezing through them, then I got to "41x13 = ?" and my brain just stopped. I couldn't think past 1x3, and I started feeling tired and dizzy and uninterested in the problem, let alone all the others after it. When we put oxygen masks back on, I felt so embarrassed yet amazed at the same time...it was something I'll never forget.

Anyway, obviously the debate was not at 25000' (otherwise you'd be seeing lots of passing out occurring ), however even at 5000' it takes your body some time to adjust. Just ask Kenjon Barner of the Ducks last year in Colorado. Here's a guy who's without question in incredible shape, yet completely out of breath on a sure TD run (and nearly tackled before the end zone). And when most people get on planes, they feel tired because cabins are typically pressurized around 7000-8000'. Do it yourself: Next time you're on a plane and/or when you land in Denver, assess your energy level, then ask yourself "gee, how would I feel having a 90 minute political debate right now?"

Not saying that's the sole reason for his performance or making excuses for him, but in my eyes Obama did look fatigued (especially compared to tonight), and he and his staff made a big mistake by not acclimating to the Colorado air as Romney did.