Obama/Romney Debate: ROUND II

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MickZagger said:
Strengthening the middle class is a much better strategy for fixing the economy than giving tax breaks to the rich. Shit, if it were up to Romney, he'd make every state a right to work state. That would be a disaster.
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How much of the federal tax revenue should the top 5% be required to pay? What is "fair" in your opinion?
 
blazerboy30 said:
I didn't get this either. If I were Romney, I would have been calling out Obama for not even coming close to answering the question about why nothing was done BEFORE the event even with some warning signals. Romney missed a big opportunity to land a blow there.
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Given his preparation, it's amazing to me he whiffed it so badly. However, he and his team have almost a week to prepare his response to two lies in the past two debates (Biden's "we didn't get the request" and Obama's "I called it terrorism"). I suspect he will review his performance and take great pains to point out the discrepancy. It's already starting with Paul Ryan on the campaign trail: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...he_send_rice_out_to_say_it_was_the_video.html

It's a simple question with an obvious answer. To not arrive at that answer and to point in another direction is going to take some clever rhetorical dancing by the Obama Administration.
 
blazerboy30 said:
What's the deal with the Mormon attacks from you? It makes you look extremely unintelligent.
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There is something interesting about people who avoid caffeine and alcohol because they are sinful, but fall to wrath.
 
westnob said:
There is something interesting about people who avoid caffeine and alcohol because they are sinful, but fall to wrath.
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Interesting? Fine. But wothy of attack and ridicule? Is that affecting how he would act as President?

It's so strange that the Left is so gung-ho on equality and non-discrimination (and rightly so), EXCEPT when it comes to tolerance towards the religious.
 
There have been three debates. What has struck me the most is that no matter how specific the Romney/Ryan team get on their proposals, it never seems to be enough. And has anyone noticed that neither Obama nor Biden have offered anything they want to accomplish in another four years? I wonder if it were John McCain running for a second term if they would be let off the hook this way?
 
Obama basically is just saying the same shit he said 4 years ago. Which he hasn't accomplished.
 
maxiep said:
There have been three debates. What has struck me the most is that no matter how specific the Romney/Ryan team get on their proposals, it never seems to be enough. And has anyone noticed that neither Obama nor Biden have offered anything they want to accomplish in another four years? I wonder if it were John McCain running for a second term if they would be let off the hook this way?
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Yes. I'm all for the debate facilitator digging in for details and specifics. But when they are only probing for details from one side, it is pretty ridiculous.

It's "ok" for Obama's "specifics" about his tax plan to be "the rich pay a little more". But when Romney and Ryan are asked, they need to specify the exact deductions that will be eliminated. It's bad double standard.
 
blazerboy30 said:
Yes. I'm all for the debate facilitator digging in for details and specifics. But when they are only probing for details from one side, it is pretty ridiculous.

It's "ok" for Obama's "specifics" about his tax plan to be "the rich pay a little more". But when Romney and Ryan are asked, they need to specify the exact deductions that will be eliminated. It's bad double standard.
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LEFT WING MEDIA CONSPIRACY FOR OBAMA! :MARIS61:
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Not surprisingly, no one here (all male so far as I know) mentioned the fact that Romney was unable to say "yes" when asked if he favored equal pay for women. Instead he wandered into "binders full of women", patronizing and untrue. The FACT was that before the gubernatorial election a bipartisan group of women assembled resumes of qualified women to present to whoever was the winner. Romney did not seek out "binders full of women". And the percentage of female staffers declinend during his administration. Bain Capital has no female directors. But who needs equal pay if we can leave early to cook dinner and care for the kiddies (something that apparently men are never resonsible for?) He flat out lied about his position on birth control; he supported the Blunt Amendment which would allow employers to block work health insurance from covering anything they "morally" objected to. Although aimed at birth control, it was so loosely written it could have included prenatal care for single women, HIV and STD treatment, substance abuse treatment. And it's single moms who are resonsible for gun violence. Those sluts!

As one commentator said, just think what the President of the United States might have become in life if only he'd had a two-parent family.
 
These debates are the product of collusion between the two parties. It's literally run by the Republicans and Democrats. If Republicans feel the moderators they actually agreed on and are paying for are biased, well that doesn't speak well of their party.

Personally, what I saw was Romney going back to his old bad habit of arguing rules with the moderator. He did it repeatedly during the Republican primaries too. I just can't understand how he thinks that helps him. Obama did it a couple of times, which I also found annoying. But Romney was much worse. It comes off as bossy and arrogant, and it works especially bad when it's a female moderator. It's sexist to say, but it really does hit a raw nerve in a lot of women when they see another woman getting shouted down by a powerful man.
 
crandc said:
Not surprisingly, no one here (all male so far as I know) mentioned the fact that Romney was unable to say "yes" when asked if he favored equal pay for women. Instead he wandered into "binders full of women", patronizing and untrue. The FACT was that before the gubernatorial election a bipartisan group of women assembled resumes of qualified women to present to whoever was the winner. Romney did not seek out "binders full of women". And the percentage of female staffers declinend during his administration. Bain Capital has no female directors. But who needs equal pay if we can leave early to cook dinner and care for the kiddies (something that apparently men are never resonsible for?) He flat out lied about his position on birth control; he supported the Blunt Amendment which would allow employers to block work health insurance from covering anything they "morally" objected to. Although aimed at birth control, it was so loosely written it could have included prenatal care for single women, HIV and STD treatment, substance abuse treatment. And it's single moms who are resonsible for gun violence. Those sluts!

As one commentator said, just think what the President of the United States might have become in life if only he'd had a two-parent family.
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Why should it be a law that everyone receive equal pay? What if one group were cheaper to employ and more productive?
 
mook said:
These debates are the product of collusion between the two parties. It's literally run by the Republicans and Democrats. If Republicans feel the moderators they actually agreed on and are paying for are biased, well that doesn't speak well of their party.

Personally, what I saw was Romney going back to his old bad habit of arguing rules with the moderator. He did it repeatedly during the Republican primaries too. I just can't understand how he thinks that helps him. Obama did it a couple of times, which I also found annoying. But Romney was much worse. It comes off as bossy and arrogant, and it works especially bad when it's a female moderator. It's sexist to say, but it really does hit a raw nerve in a lot of women when they see another woman getting shouted down by a powerful man.
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It is sexist. Candy Crowley is more than capable of standing up for herself.
 
maxiep said:
It is sexist. Candy Crowley is more than capable of standing up for herself.
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No doubt. But it doesn't mean that that a lot of women perceive that kind of interaction a lot differently from how you, I, Mitt or Candy would. People view these things with their own baggage. A battered woman or a woman employed by a sexist boss is not going to see it the same way.

Given that women are so critical in this election, I think it was a bad idea for Mitt to ignore that perception.
 
I think people are fooling themselves f they think Romney will champion woman issues equal to or more than Obama. If that is a voter's #1 agenda, Obama would be the vote.
 
What this election comes down to for me is that the economy is in the tank and I think Romney has the best chance of implementing policies to get it going again. Frankly, that's the most important issue to me at this time. Unless people are working and making good money, all of the social engineering in the world won't give the average person a better life. Equal pay for equal work sounds like a laudable goal for our society to achieve, but it loses its luster if both the man and the woman are making $0 because they can't find a job.
 
e_blazer said:
What this election comes down to for me is that the economy is in the tank and I think Romney has the best chance of implementing policies to get it going again. Frankly, that's the most important issue to me at this time. Unless people are working and making good money, all of the social engineering in the world won't give the average person a better life. Equal pay for equal work sounds like a laudable goal for our society to achieve, but it loses its luster if both the man and the woman are making $0 because they can't find a job.
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You describe socialism once govt. has spent all the money.
 
e_blazer said:
What this election comes down to for me is that the economy is in the tank and I think Romney has the best chance of implementing policies to get it going again. Frankly, that's the most important issue to me at this time. Unless people are working and making good money, all of the social engineering in the world won't give the average person a better life. Equal pay for equal work sounds like a laudable goal for our society to achieve, but it loses its luster if both the man and the woman are making $0 because they can't find a job.
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Unfortuately, that is how I feel. Time for social issues to take a back seat and for the US to come out of this depressed global economy as the economic world power. Don't know if that will happen but I think Romney gives us the better chance.
 
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Treaty_of_Batum said:
Unfortuately, that is how I feel. Time for social issues to take a back seat and for the US to come out of this depressed global economy as the economic world power. Don't know if that will happen but I think Romney gives us the better chance.
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come out? we're not even "in" it yet. Last financial is child's play for what's coming. Obama and Bernanke have made it worse.
 
maxiep said:
Why should it be a law that everyone receive equal pay? What if one group were cheaper to employ and more productive?
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I wonder if you'd say that if you were paid less.
 
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