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Rastapopoulos said:
I think I may undervalue pure scoring, but everybody else seems to WAY overvalue it. Someone like Tony Allen is way more useful than someone like Marcus Thornton. Or OJ Mayo. Or Kevin Martin. Or Monta Ellis.
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Typically I'm with you on pure scoring - I much prefer well-rounded players. But due to a variety of factors I'll be fine if we draft Shabazz, though I'll once again insert my disclaimer that I don't follow NCAA hoops at all.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I think Memphis proved last night you need more than just great D. No doubt you need a great defensive unit, but if you don't have multiple go to players, you are in trouble. Defense does win championships as log as you have someone to take over on the offensive end when the game is on the line.
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You absolutely need to have someone that can score the ball, but I think what you are discounting is that SA is a great defensive team

ranked 1st in the playoffs for defensive rating

ranked 3rd in regular season for defensive rating

Memphis just ran into a great defensive team as the teams Memphis played earlier in the playoffs did
 
Mediocre Man said:
You absolutely need to have someone that can score the ball, but I think what you are discounting is that SA is a great defensive team

ranked 1st in the playoffs for defensive rating

ranked 3rd in regular season for defensive rating

Memphis just ran into a great defensive team as the teams Memphis played earlier in the playoffs did
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Plus a guy who could break them down and score at will in Tony Parker.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Someone else pointed out recently that unless a player is an MVP-level guy (Lebron, Kobe, Duncan), your title-winning defensive studs are generally not lottery guys.
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True, but so what? That just sounds like poor scouting. Turns out Dennis Rodman SHOULD have been a lottery pick. And Ben Wallace. And Bruce Bowen. And so on. Don't defensive stars get drafted high in the NFL? (I honestly don't know - I couldn't name most of the teams.)

Drafting in the lottery primarily for defense is a bad deal.
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I don't see that that follows at all. Nerlens Noel certainly hopes you're wrong.

I think it's because players who are struggling to make the league see defense as their ticket. Great D is shockingly rare. (Incidentally, this applies in any gym. I am old, white and slow. At 6'2" my fingertips will graze the rim if I really try. Yet I am habitually the best defender in any game I play in [okay: I'm not playing college-level players here], even against people who dunk. It always seems to amaze people when I am able to stay in front of them or take away their one good move. I win a lot of one-on-one games I have no business winning for that reason.)
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
True, but so what? That just sounds like poor scouting. Turns out Dennis Rodman SHOULD have been a lottery pick. And Ben Wallace. And Bruce Bowen. And so on. Don't defensive stars get drafted high in the NFL? (I honestly don't know - I couldn't name most of the teams.)

I don't see that that follows at all. Nerlens Noel certainly hopes you're wrong.

I think it's because players who are struggling to make the league see defense as their ticket. Great D is shockingly rare. (Incidentally, this applies in any gym. I am old, white and slow. At 6'2" my fingertips will graze the rim if I really try. Yet I am habitually the best defender in any game I play in [okay: I'm not playing college-level players here], even against people who dunk. It always seems to amaze people when I am able to stay in front of them or take away their one good move. I win a lot of one-on-one games I have no business winning for that reason.)
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In the NFL, players play either offense and defensive exclusively, with few exceptions. So, you can build your defense without having to worry about that player's offensive ability.
 
In this draft, the team who drafts a star will just be lucky, because there are no sure things. However, there are players who are obviously rotation players, and some because of their elite defense. The best of these seems to be Dieng (although there are probably advanced stat people who have watched 1000s of hours of NCAA action who know better). My ideal is to acquire Dallas's pick and take Schroeder and Dieng. That would fill two major needs for our team and allow us to sign a proven NBA scorer if we really need that.
 
PapaG said:
In the NFL, players play either offense and defensive exclusively, with few exceptions. So, you can build your defense without having to worry about that player's offensive ability.
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Very true. But players who are all O no D seem to get a pass in the NBA, whereas all D no O players go undrafted. I think people assume D is just something that's easy to pick up. But it just isn't. You have to have an innate ability.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Plus a guy who could break them down and score at will in Tony Parker.
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Parker is awesome. Why is he not better regarded than Iverson? He's so fucking quick, and NOBODY's better at getting into the paint. Every time I hear someone say the Spurs are boring, I just don't get it.
 
Meggette attacked the hoop with his head down (and eyes closed) almost every freaking time he had the ball in his hands.

Shabazz is definitely more Bonzi than he is Corey -- a power guard.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Meggette attacked the hoop with his head down (and eyes closed) almost every freaking time he had the ball in his hands.

Shabazz is definitely more Bonzi than he is Corey -- a power guard.
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I like that comparison. A hard working Bonzi Wells. Sold
 
Yeah, Maggette was kind of dumb. Hard to believe he played at Duke.

Shabazz has a lot more natural talent than Bonzi, though.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Someone else pointed out recently that unless a player is an MVP-level guy (Lebron, Kobe, Duncan), your title-winning defensive studs are generally not lottery guys. Drafting in the lottery primarily for defense is a bad deal.
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[Raises hand.]

Tony Allen would be a nice fit on a lot of teams, but if he isn't crashing the boards relentlessly, he's a major liability on offense. Players like that are the final piece to the puzzle, not someone you build around.
 
DraftExpress has done one of their videos on Rudy Gobert now:

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He's a LOOOONG term project. If I had faith we were good at player development then I'd feel better about drafting him. I still worry that he has the Batum-disease of being too laid-back, not to say soft. He has the physique to be a taller, slower Kevin Garnett, but I think Alex Ajinca/Loren Woods is much more likely
 
Blazinaway said:
another "bullish" take on Steven Adams, as a project I would rather draft him than Gobert, I like the Asik comparison

http://bostonherald.com/sports/celtics_nba/boston_celtics/2013/05/steven_adams_could_be_a_big_help
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“He could play for them next year,” Scalabrine said yesterday in between workouts. “As long as (the Celtics) have (Rajon) Rondo, Kevin (Garnett), Paul Pierce, (Jared) Sullinger and Jeff Green, he’s a rotational big on that team.”

Scalabrine also has a frame of reference. He played with Omer Asik in Chicago. When he goes through a workout with Adams now, he still sees the big Turk.

“Asik picked up the defense in no time in Chicago, and he barely spoke the language,”
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“He has huge hands, and for a big that’s a huge plus,” Scalabrine said. “And he has great athletic ability. The only player I can compare him to is Omer Asik. He has strength, he can really jump, and he has size.

“He’s going to be able to deter people from driving to the basket. He’s going to be that kind of player.”
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Sounds like a nice compliment to Meyers. Risky pick though.
 
Reep said:
Sounds like a nice compliment to Meyers. Risky pick though.
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If we ended up with Shabazz at 10, and then somehow traded up for Adams as well, I don't think I would have a problem with that draft.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If we ended up with Shabazz at 10, and then somehow traded up for Adams as well, I don't think I would have a problem with that draft.
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I'm not in with Shabazz at 10, but agree it would be nice to get a guard at 10 and also find a way to get Adams. I'm just not sure Adams will be available much later. And how much fun would it be to have two centers with four first names?
 
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1655020-nba-draft-2013-who-is-the-biggest-sleeper-in-the-class

Canaan has an elite stroke with deep, NBA range, a dangerous weapon for a player who's going to have the ball in his hands.

You could argue that Canaan is the top shooter of any point guard in this year's field. At 60.6 percent, he has a higher true shooting percentage over his four-year career than any other point guard projected in this year's field, including Michigan's Trey Burke.

As a freshman and sophomore, Canaan combined to shoot 112-of-256 (43 percent) from downtown, lights-out numbers for an underclassmen.

He was just starting to heat up.

In his junior year, Canaan went on to make 98-of-215 (45.6 percent) three-point attempts, a ridiculous number that illustrates remarkable consistency for a volume shooter.

Canaan's accuracy fell off as a senior, though he still knocked down three triples a game for a total of 94 makes. He's got beautiful mechanics, getting excellent elevation and balance while rising and firing at the rim.
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Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 3m
Withey & Dieng working on post moves with Brian Scalabrine & Will Purdue. Olynyk working out with guards. Interesting.

Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 2m
Great to see Dieng out there working. He was in a walking boot at the NBA Draft Combine.
 
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Boise Blazer said:
... working on post moves with Brian Scalabrine & Will Purdue.
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Ha ha - not quite who springs to mind when I think of "post moves". But, I've never thought that the best teachers are necessarily the best performers.
 
Reep said:
I'm not in with Shabazz at 10, but agree it would be nice to get a guard at 10 and also find a way to get Adams. I'm just not sure Adams will be available much later. And how much fun would it be to have two centers with four first names?
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We need to push for #13. If Dallas really wants to move it. But I think they keep it and go for another German. During the combine the announcers seemed to think someone promised Schroeder they would take him. He denied it but if anyone did, it seems like Dallas would be the one. (Since he met with them right before)
 
Pinwheel1 said:
We need to push for #13. If Dallas really wants to move it. But I think they keep it and go for another German. During the combine the announcers seemed to think someone promised Schroeder they would take him. He denied it but if anyone did, it seems like Dallas would be the one. (Since he met with them right before)
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Yeah, that would be a good pick to get hold of. Only time will tell.
 
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