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Seems like a lot of teams are shopping their pick. #10 might not be worth much . . . on a the bright side, it might be worth as much as the #6-8 pick . . . which still isn't much.
 
Seems like a lot of teams are shopping their pick. #10 might not be worth much . . . on a the bright side, it might be worth as much as the #6-8 pick . . . which still isn't much.

yeah realistically a guy picked at #10 could end up being as good as guy picked in the top 3,
 
This draft is so bad Nic for the #1 wouldn't even excite me. Nerlens Noel sucks. Oladipo is now way overrated. Otto Porter is nothing special.

Just draft Shabazz at 10 and go from there.
 
It is weak. My favorite player in this draft is a mid-first rounder! (Larkin)

I see the value for a rebuilding team. Noel, like the Oden saga, sell the fans fluff about his comeback. Build the anticipation, Cavs.
 
Apparently Anthony Bennett measured a full 6'8" in shoes -- does this sway any of you on his upside?

Roughly the same size as Milsap, only much more explosive.
 
Apparently Anthony Bennett measured a full 6'8" in shoes -- does this sway any of you on his upside?

Roughly the same size as Milsap, only much more explosive.

Milsap's size (or lack thereof) would only be relevant if Bennett were also an elite rebounder. IIRC, he's not.
 
That's why I'm kind of iffy on his potential -- he floats away from the basket and tries to be more of a SF. But he does have the potential to be a beast, if a coach is smart enough to keep him in the paint. . He's a wide body and can jump out of the gym.
 
http://sportige.com/nba-rumors-clev...lph-thaddeus-young-or-ersan-ilyasova-05-2013/

Just a person's opinion but could be good for discussion

Some teams don’t want to make the most of the luck they had, or simply don’t see the draft as the best way to improve. The Cleveland Cavaliers get to pick at number one in the NBA draft for the second time in three years, but the prospect of Nerlens Noel or Otto Porter isn’t that charming, preferring to make a deal with a team for a forward who can put up points, with Luol Deng (Chicago Bulls), Zach Randolph (Memphis Grizzlies), Thaddeus Young (Philadelphia 76ers) and Ersan Ilyasova (Milwaukee Bucks) coming to mind.
 
http://www.sportsoutwest.com/2013/05/nba-draft-2013-shabazz-muhammad-blazers/

One of the biggest questions surrounding Muhammad is the position he would play in the NBA. Most experts have him listed as a small forward, while others are listing him as a shooting guard. As a small forward, Muhammad is slightly undersized at 6’6, but has a vast wingspan measuring 6’11. He weighs 222 pounds, which will help him penetrate to the basket in the NBA. His speed and agility are cause for concern. Muhammad’s max vertical was 37 inches and his speed drills were mediocre with a 3.32 time in the ¾ court. With this lack of athleticism, Muhammad must find other ways to score. His offensive ability is suggestive of a shooting guard, but his wingspan and speed are more telling of a small forward.
Muhammad attempted to answer this very question at the combine:
“I have a preference for playing the two-guard. I think I can be one of the tallest guys playing the two. I was out here with the three’s today and I have some good size for that position but I think if I’m a two, I can do a lot of damage at the guard position.”
The Blazers need a capable scorer to come in off the bench next season and Muhammad can be an offensive threat to accompany Aldridge and Lillard. Muhammad will likely be the most talented offensive player available at the tenth pick and Portland would be wise to pick him up. Portland’s biggest challenge will be transitioning Muhammad into more of a team player.
 
If I were the Raptors, I think I'd offer Rudy Gay for the #1 pick. And if I were Cleveland, I'd turn it down.
 
I've really cooled on him, but i still go back and forth. It really depends on who drops to ten i guess.
 
I've really cooled on him, but i still go back and forth. It really depends on who drops to ten i guess.

It will be interesting to see how his work outs go. Especially with Portland. As I have posted before, every single draft pick will have to get better in order to stay in the NBA. And that is pretty much true every year. They all have a part of their game that has to get better.

So after you determine who can physically compete in the association, the next question is who is willing to work hard enough in order to improve and earn the next contract. Hopefully the Blazers can cut though the bullshit that these guys will be instructed to say, and determine who has what it takes. Supposedly Shabazz is one of those hard workers. Only time will tell.
 
Interesting tweet thought:

Vincent Goodwill ‏@vgoodwill 7m
PJ3 and Jeremy Lamb were at the end of OKC's bench. How high would they go in this draft?
 
Just for the sake of conversation (certainly not saying that I WOULD do this, but it's intriguing to think about at least) - what if we, the Blazers, acted on both of these Cleveland trade "rumors" in one?

Cleveland wants a 3 for the 1st pick, interested in Aldridge, needs to make a bold move to get back into the playoffs. Cleveland has cap room, multiple 1st round picks this season and more in the future, along with young players with potential...

A trade of LMA and Batum to Cleveland would certainly net us the 1st and 19th picks this year, Tristan Thompson, and likely all of their future picks w/ minimal-no protection and we could likely get Zeller or (if we wanted him) Varejao.

As far as incoming vs. outgoing assets in year 1 are concerned, we'd be getting hosed in this kind of deal, but (again, for the sake of conversation) it wipes the slate clean and allows us to build around Damian.

To me, Noel seems like the perfect fit next to Meyers who, despite his defensive faults, showed this season that he's a capable low post scorer. 2 more picks in the middle of the 1st + 3 (possibly more coming from Cleveland) 2nd round picks could be enough to move up to get another lottery type player OR add multiple solid bench guys. Add in a massive amount of cap room that we could hold over into next off season (potentially one of the biggest ever), multiple picks - at least one (ours) guaranteed to be a high lottery pick in a great draft next year, and it feels like one step backwards could allow us to put together a really intriguing group of young talent moving forward.

Crazy, I know, but worth thinking about, at least from a fan's perspective?
 
Interesting tweet thought:

Vincent Goodwill ‏@vgoodwill 7m
PJ3 and Jeremy Lamb were at the end of OKC's bench. How high would they go in this draft?

PJ3 would still be low, and I see Lamb about the same spot as before. He's not head and shoulders better than the other 2G prospects to think he's top 5 or anything.
 
Just for the sake of conversation (certainly not saying that I WOULD do this, but it's intriguing to think about at least) - what if we, the Blazers, acted on both of these Cleveland trade "rumors" in one?

Cleveland wants a 3 for the 1st pick, interested in Aldridge, needs to make a bold move to get back into the playoffs. Cleveland has cap room, multiple 1st round picks this season and more in the future, along with young players with potential...

A trade of LMA and Batum to Cleveland would certainly net us the 1st and 19th picks this year, Tristan Thompson, and likely all of their future picks w/ minimal-no protection and we could likely get Zeller or (if we wanted him) Varejao.

As far as incoming vs. outgoing assets in year 1 are concerned, we'd be getting hosed in this kind of deal, but (again, for the sake of conversation) it wipes the slate clean and allows us to build around Damian.

To me, Noel seems like the perfect fit next to Meyers who, despite his defensive faults, showed this season that he's a capable low post scorer. 2 more picks in the middle of the 1st + 3 (possibly more coming from Cleveland) 2nd round picks could be enough to move up to get another lottery type player OR add multiple solid bench guys. Add in a massive amount of cap room that we could hold over into next off season (potentially one of the biggest ever), multiple picks - at least one (ours) guaranteed to be a high lottery pick in a great draft next year, and it feels like one step backwards could allow us to put together a really intriguing group of young talent moving forward.

Crazy, I know, but worth thinking about, at least from a fan's perspective?

Thats way to much to give up even in a "wipe the slate clean" kind of sense. Batums age makes him perfect to fit next to Lillard for years to come and its not like we have a person to suddenly come in and replace lillard. We already have a good core around Lillard there is no reason to "build a new one around him" just for the sake of doing it.
 
Chris Haynes ‏@ChrisBHaynes 39s
Note: PF Tony Mitchell told me he patterns game after K. Faried. Says he was questioned by teams at combine for lack of effort in college.
 
Andy Katz ‏@ESPNAndyKatz 12m
Don't expect Noel to visit anymore teams outside of Cleveland and Orlando unless there is a trade up to 1 or 2 or strong sense of one.
 
Feel free to read into the following:

Trail Blazers ‏@pdxtrailblazers 1m
This draft has really good depth...I like where we're positioned...I do think we'll get a good player at 10 - Olshey #RipCityDraft
 
Sarah Hecht ‏@sarahhechtNBA 4m
"I think we've narrowed the field, but this is part of the process to put it over the top." -Olshey on draft prospects #ripcitydraft

Trail Blazers ‏@pdxtrailblazers 4m
Neil Olshey says this process is more about getting to know the prospects off the court, how they fit w/ the team & community
 
excerpt:
In plain English, P3 is able to look at how players produce force and then make adjustments in a way that allows them to maximize potential and avoid injury. They can tell whether a player is putting undue stress on a joint, for example, increasing the likelihood of future injury. They can train the neuromuscular system and help players develop proper mechanics to create maximum performance.

Elliott pulled up Muhammad's motion analysis, force curves and performance data, and then compared him with approximately 35 other NBA wings they've tested. Elliott is obsessed with collecting analytical data on players that go far beyond the eye test or raw max vertical scores, and his 10-year NBA database has distinguished the critical physical metrics of many of the NBA's most successful athletes.

That showed in his review of Muhammad's vertical jump (motion analysis). While Muhammad is a slightly above-average leaper for his position (he measured with a 37-inch max vertical jump at the predraft camp), what stands out in the P3 data is how quickly Muhammad gets off the floor. He's a fast leaper; in fact he's the fastest wing they've tested at P3 in a sub max jump to 10-feet-6. His quick explosion off the floor, combined with an extraordinary wingspan, explains while he was one of the top wing offensive rebounders in the country last year.

"The NBA only measured how high a player gets," Elliott said. "But if you watch basketball you know that only tells a small part of the story. Vertical quickness is a bigger part of the game than pure vertical jump height. We would take fast to 11-6 over slow to 12-6 any day. For a player like Muhammad, you'd rather have him be a fast jumper than have him jump an extra few inches."

Muhammad also generates significant force in his various vertical movements and fairly large forces in horizontal planes. Again, he showed up as significantly more powerful than the average wing player at his position -- something Muhammad uses to his advantage when scoring the basketball.

Where Muhammad needs work is on his lateral quickness. While he still shows a lot of power, his relative lack of hip and ankle mobility mean that the force he generates tends to project vertically instead of horizontally. Elliott showed me computer graphs of both his horizontal and vertical force and walked me through how P3 was getting Muhammad to change his technique so that he could explode the same way laterally that he does vertically.

While Muhammad wasn't where he needed to be coming in (he's just a tick under the average for all wings they've tested) Elliott was confident that Muhammad would get there.

"Some players just don't have the neuromuscular system to really improve much," Elliott said. "You can work and work and work with them and you just don't move the needle much. With others, you can do a lot with a little training. We've already seen significant improvements and we'll continue to see more."

Overall P3's data driven approach was one of the most thorough I've seen and went a long way in alleviating fears I had about Muhammad's athleticism. Is he an elite athlete? No. But there's more than enough there to make him an above-average athlete at his position and his reactivity and explosion should be among the best at his position.

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Muhammad is an extremely quick leaper, which bodes well for him in the NBA.
Athletic ability is only part of the story, however. What about on the court?

At UCLA, Muhammad was a left-handed dominant forward who shot, by far, his highest field goal percentage at the rim from transition points, offensive rebounds and post-ups. While Muhammad showed a better than expected 3-point shot when he spotted up (40 percent from three this season), his shooting percentage dropped dramatically when he had to shoot off the dribble (23 percent). Muhammad also had an alarmingly low rate of assists (just 27 all year)

In high school, Muhammad was able to use his strength, quick leaping ability and high basketball IQ to score at will. In college it got significantly harder. In the NBA? Teams have serious questions.

In the afternoon I traveled over to the ThunderDome at UC-Santa Barbara to watch Muhammad work out with trainer Drew Hanlan of Pure Sweat Basketball. Hanlan worked out Bradley Beal, John Jenkins, Festus Ezeli and Jeff Taylor last year. This summer he's focused on Muhammad.

Hanlan, who teaches his clients in part by the use of game film and stats, had spent the morning cutting some video of James Harden and was turning them into drills for Muhammad.

Hanlan has been tweaking Muhammad's shot, pushing him to work on his right-hand dribbling and teaching him a number of moves that players like Harden use to get their shot off in the NBA.

What I saw was a work in progress. Muhammad still is getting used to the new motion. When he opened up his hips and got the right follow-through, he was almost perfect shooting the ball. However, at times he's still reverting back to his old form at UCLA, which led to inconsistent results. He's only been in the program a month. These things take time and GMs generally believe that a jump shot is one thing you can fix.

What was more impressive was Hanlan's use of a number of Harden hesitation dribbles and stepbacks to help Muhammad create separation in order to get his jump shot off. While Muhammad still doesn't totally look comfortable using his right hand, Hanlan is bringing him along slowly using two to three dribble jabs with his right to get him open.

The biggest thing that stood out during the workout was Muhammad's energy. He was relentless for the full 45 minutes. He brings a great work ethic to the table, and Hanlan was pushing him at a pretty insane pace. At the end, Muhammad was huffing and puffing, but he was still able to dunk and hit his jumpers.

If teams believe that with a little effort, Muhammad will be able to transform his game, he might have gone from being the most overrated player in the draft to the most underrated.

With his motor, toughness and natural aggression scoring the ball, Muhammad has the potential to be one of the best, if not the best scorer in draft devoid of talented scorers. The question is, when will a team take a chance on him?
 

I have watched a grand total of 30 seconds of his shooting form and have already determined why his shot is so inconsistent. You will notice that on his first two shots his left toe is pointed more towards his target. Then on his next few it points more inward, causing a lift issue. Then he straightens it back out slightly at the end, but then turns it in on his last shot.

his shot seems EXTREMELY fixable, so that should not be a concern for a team interested in him. If my dumb ass can see that in 30 seconds, and NBA shooting coach should be able to fix that entirely in about two practices
 
Feel free to read into the following:

Trail Blazers ‏@pdxtrailblazers 1m
This draft has really good depth...I like where we're positioned...I do think we'll get a good player at 10 - Olshey #RipCityDraft

"there will be a team willing to save some $$$ and trade a center for our pick and that scrub Leonard"

that's what I read, but I am a bit impaired, so take that for what it's worth
 

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