OFFICIAL 2014 Around the NBA thread - January edition

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six of the healthier teams in the league and the Heatles...
 
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Blazer Fanatic said:
I don't know enough about Asian culture to know that is an insult. Sumo is a well respected sport, and it looks like 2 athletes to me. I doubt they would have made it for a Chinese audience if it were offensive.


Denver's lead dropped to 7, now 10 versus Ind.
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Actually two of the recent past great Sumo world champions were both Hawaiians. It's big all over Asia actually and you can see the matches throughout Asian TV markets. Boring, frickin' sport if there ever was one and the diapers they make those guys wear with the chopsticks hanging out of them are the worst!
 
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I'm starting to think that the most remarkable thing about Melo setting the Knicks scoring record was that he didn't do it against the Blazers.
 
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I really don't get the Stern hate. He's the best commissioner ever in any sport. Seriously, name a better one.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
I really don't get the Stern hate. He's the best commissioner ever in any sport. Seriously, name a better one.
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If you go that route you're really just picking the lesser of two evils. They all suck.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
I really don't get the Stern hate. He's the best commissioner ever in any sport. Seriously, name a better one.
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First have to establish the decision criteria.

:bwpopcorn:
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
I really don't get the Stern hate. He's the best commissioner ever in any sport. Seriously, name a better one.
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If Stern has done such a brilliant job, why does the NBA have the worst officiating of any major sport?

At one time I would have agreed with your assesment. Sadly, at some point Stern stopped paying attention to the game and spent his time micro-managing the players and pander to the angry-old-white-guy demographic.
 
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oldmangrouch said:
If Stern has done such a brilliant job, why does the NBA have the worst officiating of any major sport?

At one time I would have agreed with your assesment. Sadly, at some point Stern stopped paying attention to the game and spent his time micro-managing the players and pander to the angry-old-white-guy demographic.
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Do people forget that the NBA had the Finals on tape delay when Stern took over? The refs could be better but they've tried to address it with instant replays and whatnot. Stern has had a fantastic tenure
 
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ponderguy said:
Do people forget that the NBA had the Finals on tape delay when Stern took over? The refs could be better but they've tried to address it with instant replays and whatnot. Stern has had a fantastic tenure
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I believe the last tape-delayed finals were Magic's first title in 1980. The NBA had already started to pick up steam with Bird and Magic in the early 80's, and then the outstanding Sixers team that won the title in '83. The beginning of Stern's tenure in 1984 coincided quite fortuitously with the real beginning of the Lakers/Celtics rivalry in the '84 finals, and then the amazing 1984 draft class. Yes, Stern had a lot to do with the continuing burgeoning of the sport throughout the 80's, but it's not as though he made something out of nothing. The main pieces were either already on stage or waiting in the wings.
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
I believe the last tape-delayed finals were Magic's first title in 1980. The NBA had already started to pick up steam with Bird and Magic in the early 80's, and then the outstanding Sixers team that won the title in '83. The beginning of Stern's tenure in 1984 coincided quite fortuitously with the real beginning of the Lakers/Celtics rivalry in the '84 finals, and then the amazing 1984 draft class. Yes, Stern had a lot to do with the continuing burgeoning of the sport throughout the 80's, but it's not as though he made something out of nothing. The main pieces were either already on stage or waiting in the wings.
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The NBA had stars before that too though. Its not like Bird & Magic were the first. The cocaine problem was huge when Stern took over, his implementation of drug testing and the salary cap were both huge for the NBA. Stern was also very savvy with who he partnered the NBA with and how he marketed it. There is no league that is as star driven as the NBA is now, both for good and bad.
 
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ponderguy said:
The NBA had stars before that too though. Its not like Bird & Magic were the first. The cocaine problem was huge when Stern took over, his implementation of drug testing and the salary cap were both huge for the NBA. Stern was also very savvy with who he partnered the NBA with and how he marketed it. There is no league that is as star driven as the NBA is now, both for good and bad.
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I'm not saying that Stern did nothing; I'm saying that you're giving him more credit than he deserves by harkening back to the tape-delayed finals. A major upswing was already in process before he took over.

It's like when Larry Brown took over as coach of the Pistons. They had already had Chauncey/Rip/Prince/Wallace, and had lost in the ECF the year before under Carlisle. He took what was already good, what had almost all the pieces necessary to be great, got one more piece ('Sheed), and took them over the top. Brown deserved credit for the title, but it's not as though he had built them from the 32 win team of '01.
 
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I think the biggest mark on Sterns tenure (outside of the Ewing lotto), is that since 1984, this is the list of NBA teams that won titles (not counting 1984, since it's not like his first year should be counted).

LA (8)
Boston (2)
Houston (2)
Dallas (1)
San Antonio (4)
Chicago (6)
Miami (3)
Detroit (3)

Seriously, that's it. 29 titles, 8 teams.

I'm not saying that the league set the deck (obviously, the biggest city, NY, hasn't done much since 99), but they kind of made it so those teams with lesser talent are in a much tougher position to improve.

By comparison, let's look at MLB and the NFL. Since 85:

NFL
SF (4)
Chicago
NY Giants (4)
WDC (2)
Dallas (3)
Green Bay (2)
Denver (2*)
St Louis
Baltimore (2)
New England (3)
Tampa Bay
Pittsburgh (2)
Indianapolis
New Orleans


that's 14 teams for 29 titles (and if you take out the evil bastards and the eviler bastards, SF and NY, it's 12 teams for 21 titles).

MLB.

KC
Oakland
Minnesota (2)
NY M
LA Dodgers
Cinn
Toronto (2)
Atlanta
Yankees (5)
Florida (2)
Arizona
Anaheim
Boston (3)
SF (2)
ChWS
St Louis (2)
Philadelphia


16 teams for 28 titles (no title in 94). Take away the Evil Doers, and it's 15 teams for 23 titles. Of course, with Baseball it totally became about big market pockets for a while.
 
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julius said:
I think the biggest mark on Sterns tenure (outside of the Ewing lotto), is that since 1984, this is the list of NBA teams that won titles (not counting 1984, since it's not like his first year should be counted).

LA (8)
Boston (2)
Houston (2)
Dallas (1)
San Antonio (4)
Chicago (6)
Miami (3)
Detroit (3)

Seriously, that's it. 29 titles, 8 teams.

I'm not saying that the league set the deck (obviously, the biggest city, NY, hasn't done much since 99), but they kind of made it so those teams with lesser talent are in a much tougher position to improve.

By comparison, let's look at MLB and the NFL. Since 85:

NFL
SF (4)
Chicago
NY Giants (4)
WDC (2)
Dallas (3)
Green Bay (2)
Denver (2*)
St Louis
Baltimore (2)
New England (3)
Tampa Bay
Pittsburgh (2)
Indianapolis
New Orleans


that's 14 teams for 29 titles (and if you take out the evil bastards and the eviler bastards, SF and NY, it's 12 teams for 21 titles).

MLB.

KC
Oakland
Minnesota (2)
NY M
LA Dodgers
Cinn
Toronto (2)
Atlanta
Yankees (5)
Florida (2)
Arizona
Anaheim
Boston (3)
SF (2)
ChWS
St Louis (2)
Philadelphia


16 teams for 28 titles (no title in 94). Take away the Evil Doers, and it's 15 teams for 23 titles. Of course, with Baseball it totally became about big market pockets for a while.
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The NFL appears to be more balanced but the short season is the only reason. If the NBA season was only 16 games long you'd get many more dark horse teams and with the playoffs being in a sudden death format upsets happen much more regularly. the 6 seed in the playoffs have won several super bowls recently (The Packers, Steelers and Giants all come to mind.) The NBAs best regularly win because the schedule and playoff format is not kind to bad teams. The best will always come to the top over the course of a 82 game season and 4 7 game playoff series. It is just to much for a inferior team to overcome.
 
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ponderguy said:
The NFL appears to be more balanced but the short season is the only reason. If the NBA season was only 16 games long you'd get many more dark horse teams and with the playoffs being in a sudden death format upsets happen much more regularly. the 6 seed in the playoffs have won several super bowls recently (The Packers, Steelers and Giants all come to mind.) The NBAs best regularly win because the schedule and playoff format is not kind to bad teams. The best will always come to the top over the course of a 82 game season and 4 7 game playoff series. It is just to much for a inferior team to overcome.
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But how do you account for the 160+ game MLB? Still twice as many unique WS winners as NBA champs.
 
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BlazerCaravan said:
But how do you account for the 160+ game MLB? Still twice as many unique WS winners as NBA champs.
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No idea. I don't follow baseball at all and don't know anything about the sport.
 
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BlazerCaravan said:
But how do you account for the 160+ game MLB? Still twice as many unique WS winners as NBA champs.
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Great players make more of a difference in the NBA, based of their impact on games compared to other players, as well as opportunity. In the NFL, Peyton Manning is only on the field for offensive possessions. If his defense fails, there's noting he can do about it other than score more points. In MLB, Felix Hernandez only plays every 5th day for the Mariners, or Mike Trout only gets to the plate 4-5x per game. Much less of opportunity for impact in your star players. In the NBA, LeBron James can take every shot of the 4th quarter, if need be, or at least touch the ball on every possession. He can also make impactful plays on defense, as well.
 
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Didn't our short timer Johnny Flynn have 50 his rookie season? Andre Miller had 52 for us in the playoffs too
 
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riverman said:
Didn't our short timer Johnny Flynn have 50 his rookie season? Andre Miller had 52 for us in the playoffs too
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Andre Miller did not score 52 in the playoffs. It was a regular season game.
 
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and Johnny Flynn was lucky to score 5 pts with us let alone 50.
 
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Rastapopoulos said:
I really don't get the Stern hate. He's the best commissioner ever in any sport. Seriously, name a better one.
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ponderguy said:
Do people forget that the NBA had the Finals on tape delay when Stern took over? The refs could be better but they've tried to address it with instant replays and whatnot. Stern has had a fantastic tenure
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See this thread.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/255886...ard-Uniforms?p=3242034&viewfull=1#post3242034
 
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http://www.82games.com/1314/ROLRTG8.HTM

"Simple Ratings"

The main components of the 'Simple Ratings' are a production measure (a variant of John Hollinger's PER rating) for a player's own stats versus the counterpart player on the other team while he is on the court, as well as a simple on court/off court plus minus. This rating is actually more of a placeholder until the more sophisticated analysis we produce is made public, but still offers a good fast read on player performance.
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Without going through and doing the work Im guessing we are one of the few if not the only team that has all of our starters in the plus. And just as a disclaimer this was not intended to rip on Mo although the numbers are interesting.

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Guess that makes Aldridge and Batum our MVPs. ;)
 
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As our bench gets better, our starters will look worse, yeah?
 
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ponderguy said:
and Love a legit all star starter
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Your boy is a great fantasy basketball player, so I have no problem with him starting. I do have a problem with Griffin starting but won't lose any sleep over it.
 
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noknobs said:
Your boy is a great fantasy basketball player, so I have no problem with him starting. I do have a problem with Griffin starting but won't lose any sleep over it.
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Do i just need to make not a Minnesota fan part of my quote section? Getting sick of being accused of rooting for their crap teams.
 
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Boise Blazer said:
http://www.82games.com/1314/ROLRTG8.HTM

"Simple Ratings"



Without going through and doing the work Im guessing we are one of the few if not the only team that has all of our starters in the plus. And just as a disclaimer this was not intended to rip on Mo although the numbers are interesting.

d9AMqkt.jpg
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It's actually fairly common. GSW has all five starters in the top 28 (with Bogut at +5.7 being their "worst" starter). Most winning teams have at least 4 and in many cases all 5 starters with a positive Simple Rating. Even teams that struggle to hit .500 like MIN and WAS (now that Webster is starting in place of the injured Beal) have all 5 starters with a + Simple Rating. I didn't check all the teams, but based on the one's I checked, I'd estimate around 25% of all teams have 5 starters with a positive Simple Rating - although some teams current starting line-ups (ATL, LAC, etc.) have been disrupted by injury.

BNM
 
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