[ official ] 2016 summer moves

[Natebishop3]

So theoretically we could renounce his bird rights, but still ultimately resign him, or does waiving his bird rights take our right to resign him away

We could definitely re-sign him, we just couldn't go over the cap. If we were to use space to max out someone like, say, Dwight Howard, there wouldn't be much left.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Keep in mind if we can sign Hendo right away for $6M, his cap hold is cut roughly in half.

Why would he do that?

Its likely his last big deal. I think he gets more than that

 

[Natebishop3]

One thing we've got going for us, I don't think Meyers and his new wifey are going to want to uproot and move somewhere else. But with that said, if I have to choose between Meyers and Harkless, I choose Harkless.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

One thing we've got going for us, I don't think Meyers and his new wifey are going to want to uproot and move somewhere else. But with that said, if I have to choose between Meyers and Harkless, I choose Harkless.

Havent completely crunched the numbers, but if we renounce everyone but meyers, crabbe and harkless, id think we would still be in the ballpark of a dwight deal

 

[B-Roy]

Havent completely crunched the numbers, but if we renounce everyone but meyers, crabbe and harkless, id think we would still be in the ballpark of a dwight deal

We need to renounce one of Meyers or Harkless to have enough for a Horford max which is close to 26 million. Howard's max is 30 million but still only requires renouncing one.

 

[Nate]

For some reason I thought McDermott was a free agent this year. I forgot that this was only his second year! I really like his game....

When looking at the problems of this team though.... I think it needs better defense, more spacing, and more "easy buckets".

Whiteside solves two of those problems. If we can get him, there's a bunch of great 3pt shooters in the free agency class that we could get for a reasonable price. And we have something on our bench. So maybe we could wait til next year to see if we really need to sign another 3pt shooter.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Sign Durant( seriously we have to steal him from the Warriors, because nobody will beat them for the next 6-7 years)

Resign Crabbe, Resign Harkless, Resign Hendo

Renounce Meyers Leonard

Sign Jan Vasely of Bismack Biyombo

Why even post this? Durant's not coming here. His team where he is at is already better, they can pay him more. We aren't a destination. We already passed on him in the draft

 

[Mediocre Man]

Dwight Howard is speaking from the heart live on TNT and he sounds a lot like Lillard to me...hmmm

Ya, that interview was a great one for him. Not sure if he swayed my opinion of him completely, but it made me think a bit

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't usually like to give Kingspeed credit.... but he's been pretty much spot on about Aminu. All his numbers are up across the board, and he has provided great defense throughout the playoffs. Hard to hate on that.

Edit- and I'll add that the problem is that we're counting on Chief to be our third scorer right now, and Chief shouldn't be our third scorer. Chief should be our fourth or fifth scorer.

This is a great point. Chief is fine, just not as a third scorer. Harkless is fine, just not in a huge role. Plumlee is fine as well, just not in as big of a role as he is in either. No one should be hating on these guys, and saying we need to upgrade those positions doesn't mean we want to get rid of those players. It simply means it's better to have an all star small forward and Aminu backing him up than Aminu at small forward with Conaughton backing him up. Or whatever....I know he doesn't back him up

 

[Mediocre Man]

Why wouldn't you renounce the injured guy?

 

[BonesJones]

Why even post this? Durant's not coming here. His team where he is at is already better, they can pay him more. We aren't a destination. We already passed on him in the draft

I think our pieces are better than their pieces. Were better with KD that they are right now.

 

[Denny Crane]

Hmm.... I just don't know if he's going to do that. This is probably Hendo's last shot at a decent contract.

My point is that his cap hold isn't his salary. If we can sign him for less, we get that cap space back. Hopefully, we can sign him and we won't need his entire cap hold (e.g. his salary and then some).

 

[Denny Crane]

Why would he do that?

Its likely his last big deal. I think he gets more than that

i used $6M because that's his current salary. His cap hold is something like $11M. Anything he signs for less than that, we gain cap space.

 

[B-Roy]

Here is our cap situation. Note I took this from Blazer50 on the RealGM forums, but its a good measurement of what we have available:

Guaranteed Salary (under contract) $ 47,102,74
Inclusive* (Includeds QO & Non Guaranteed) $ 59,668,805
*(C Alexander / Montero @$874,636 Unguaranteed / Crabbe $2,725,003 / Maurice Harkless & Meyers Leonard @ $4,045,849)

Cap Holds - Additional cost over QOs
Maurice Harkless - $7,235,148 - 4,045,849 - + $ 3,189,254
Meyers Leonard - $7,689,700 - 4,045,849 - + $ 3,643,851
Allen Crabbe - $2,725,003 difference from QO - + $0

Gerald Henderson - $0 Inclusive - $9M Cap Hold - + $9,000,000

Inclusive adjusted from Offers to Cap Holds
1* with Harkless / Crabbe / Leonard $ 66,501,910 (12 players)
2* add Gerald Henderson (bird rigts?) $ 75,501,910 (13 players)
$92M salary Cap less $66.5M is what we have left to spend. ($1.6M more if you waive Alexander and Montero)

Thus the Blazers will have around $25.5 million if you keep Harkless, Crabbe, and Leonard's cap hold, but renounce Hendo.

Here is what a Max contract for a 9-year vet (ie. Horford) would look like, courtesy of myajc.com:

http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/ba...-set-to-be-free-agent-what-a-max-contr/nrKkp/

Here is what a max contract for Al Horford would look like:
Year With Hawks With another team
1 $25,976,470 $25,976,470
2 $27,924,705 $27,145,411
3 $29,872,940 $28,314,352
4 $31,821,175 $29,483,293
5 $33,769,410 ———————
Total $149,364,700 $110,919,526

So the Blazers would be short about 400k. We can get that 400k by waiving one of Alexander or Montero. Varejao's stretch hit in this scenario hurts because his salary is what is causing us to have to waive a player, but I have to imagine Olshey went for it because if we have to waive one of the rookies it is akin to getting a 1st round pick for them (and who wouldn't do that?).

Releasing one of Meyers or Harkless would give us ~ 7 million in additional cap room (7.6 for Meyers and 7.2 for Harkless). That would give us the option of offering a max contract to a 10+ year vet like Howard or using that additional 7 million on another player.

Neil has a lot of flexibility to work with. I imagine we offer the QO to all our RFAs and if we need the money to sign someone else we can always rescind it later.

EDIT: Also something very important to point out. It is definitely no coincidence that we are operating with just enough cap room to offer a 7-10 year MAX. If you aren't impressed by Olshey's and co.'s cap management skills before you should be now. Even the little things like Aminu's and Davis's declining contracts are what is helping us get to the magic number. It's little saavy moves like this that makes you understand that management has organizational foresight. We are really in great hands with Olshey and I am so ecstatic that we have organizational stability after years of shoddy management.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I think our pieces are better than their pieces. Were better with KD that they are right now.

I think the only position where we are better than they are is at SG, where CJ destroys Soup Juggler

Westbrook>Dame
Kanter, Adams, Ibaka> Plumlee, Davis, Kaman, Injured guy
Obviously Durant over whoever.

 

[Natebishop3]

Here is our cap situation. Note I took this from Blazer50 on the RealGM forums, but its a good measurement of what we have available:



Thus the Blazers will have around $25.5 million if you keep Harkless, Crabbe, and Leonard's cap hold, but renounce Hendo.

Here is what a Max contract for a 9-year vet (ie. Horford) would look like, courtesy of myajc.com:

http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/ba...-set-to-be-free-agent-what-a-max-contr/nrKkp/



So the Blazers would be short about 400k. We can get that 400k by waiving one of Alexander or Montero. Varejao's stretch hit in this scenario hurts because his salary is what is causing us to have to waive a player, but I have to imagine Olshey went for it because if we have to waive one of the rookies it is akin to getting a 1st round pick for them (and who wouldn't do that?).

Releasing one of Meyers or Harkless would give us ~ 7 million in additional cap room (7.6 for Meyers and 7.2 for Harkless). That would give us the option of offering a max contract to a 10+ year vet like Howard or using that additional 7 million on another player.

Neil has a lot of flexibility to work with. I imagine we offer the QO to all our RFAs and if we need the money to sign someone else we can always rescind it later.

EDIT: Also something very important to point out. It is definitely no coincidence that we are operating with just enough cap room to offer a 7-10 year MAX. If you aren't impressed by Olshey's and co.'s cap management skills before you should be now. Even the little things like Aminu's and Davis's declining contracts are what is helping us get to the magic number. It's little saavy moves like this that makes you understand that management has organizational foresight. We are really in great hands with Olshey and I am so ecstatic that we have organizational stability after years of shoddy management.

I'm coming around on Howard. I think he's going to be hungry next season to prove people wrong and win a championship. If we could sign Howard, I'd try to trade for someone like Millsap using Plumlee and Vonleh. Worst case, I'd try to snag ZBO.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

So, is there any dirty mean vets that will be cheap this year? That is one thing we need. We need that Tony Allen type guy.

Amen; if Memphis blows it up I like the idea of signing ZBo to a welcome home contract; he's all those things and also dangerous on the court for 20 minutes.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I think the only position where we are better than they are is at SG, where CJ destroys Soup Juggler

Westbrook>Dame
Kanter, Adams, Ibaka> Plumlee, Davis, Kaman, Injured guy
Obviously Durant over whoever.

Kinda wish we had Kanter right now.

 

[Natebishop3]

Kinda wish we had Kanter right now.

He would have made a huge difference.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Mostly though I hope Neil or Paul don't get impatient. That they always go for the right guys for two or three years from now instead of throwing spaghetti against the wall hoping to somehow beat this year's Golden State team.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

He would have made a huge difference.

You know, the more you look at Neil's attempted moves last summer, the more you see how the team would have been hand-built to beat Golden State. The scoring center we don't yet have but almost got twice, completely regardless of defensive ability, was a move to make Bogut work and prevent Draymond from sagging back to guard the lane.

If Neil had confidence in our guards versus the Splash Bros (and the proof has shown that he should have had that confidence), in retrospect, the moves all point to shoring up the front line with replacements for Batum in Batum-like role, hustle guys like Vonleh and Harkless in the PF spot, and a center that could score. That was the piece we struck out on.

Of course, Curry going SuperHAM on the league couldn't have been predicted, and we still might be down 1-3 now, but I think we'd be up 3-1 if we had Kanter or Monroe.

 

[illmatic99]

For you guys calculating cap numbers, did you consider Dame's ~5 mil bonus/yr if/when he makes an All NBA team?

 

[B-Roy]

For you guys calculating cap numbers, did you consider Dame's ~5 mil bonus/yr if/when he makes an All NBA team?

Year No Rose Rose
2016-17 $20,947,250 $23,041,975
2017-18 $22,518,294 $24,770,123
2018-19 $24,207,166 $26,627,882
2019-20 $26,022,703 $28,624,974
2020-21 $27,974,406 $30,771,847
Total $121,669,819 $133,836,801


It's ~ 2million. Problematic, but not insurmountable with a few saavy moves.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/1/8877139/damian-lillard-max-contract-kawhi-leonard-explainer

Also:

Lillard has no All-Star starts and one All-NBA team berth, so he could still become eligible for a Rose Rule boost. But it would appear, based on early reporting, that the two sides did not negotiate that into Lillard's new contract.

So it's unclear, and the actual amount of Lillard's contract won't be known until the salary cap is finalized. We will have to see.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Year No Rose Rose
2016-17 $20,947,250 $23,041,975
2017-18 $22,518,294 $24,770,123
2018-19 $24,207,166 $26,627,882
2019-20 $26,022,703 $28,624,974
2020-21 $27,974,406 $30,771,847
Total $121,669,819 $133,836,801


It's ~ 2million. Problematic, but not insurmountable with a few saavy moves.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/1/8877139/damian-lillard-max-contract-kawhi-leonard-explainer

Also:



So it's unclear, and the actual amount of Lillard's contract won't be known until the salary cap is finalized. We will have to see.

Lillard turned down a player option in the fifth year too (which is borderline insane loyalty); I bet that report is true and he turned down any incentives too.

 

[illmatic99]

Year No Rose Rose
2016-17 $20,947,250 $23,041,975
2017-18 $22,518,294 $24,770,123
2018-19 $24,207,166 $26,627,882
2019-20 $26,022,703 $28,624,974
2020-21 $27,974,406 $30,771,847
Total $121,669,819 $133,836,801


It's ~ 2million. Problematic, but not insurmountable with a few saavy moves.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/1/8877139/damian-lillard-max-contract-kawhi-leonard-explainer

Also:



So it's unclear, and the actual amount of Lillard's contract won't be known until the salary cap is finalized. We will have to see.

Gotcha.

I wonder if it's possible to tack on that extra amount to future years and max our space for this summer. But 2-3 mil does make a pretty big difference. Kinda like the difference between getting Chris Kaman or Ed Davis (not trying to be pedantic... but still).

 

[B-Roy]

Gotcha.

I wonder if it's possible to tack on that extra amount to future years and max our space for this summer. But 2-3 mil does make a pretty big difference. Kinda like the difference between getting Chris Kaman or Ed Davis (not trying to be pedantic... but still).

It just means that if we want to sign a Horford max, we have to decline one of Meyers or Harkless, which probably would have been done regardless.

If the Blazers go dumpster diving, it's probably not gonna make a big deal, because the guys we bring in aren't going to use all our capspace.

 

[Denny Crane]

Here is our cap situation. Note I took this from Blazer50 on the RealGM forums, but its a good measurement of what we have available:



Thus the Blazers will have around $25.5 million if you keep Harkless, Crabbe, and Leonard's cap hold, but renounce Hendo.

Here is what a Max contract for a 9-year vet (ie. Horford) would look like, courtesy of myajc.com:

http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/ba...-set-to-be-free-agent-what-a-max-contr/nrKkp/



So the Blazers would be short about 400k. We can get that 400k by waiving one of Alexander or Montero. Varejao's stretch hit in this scenario hurts because his salary is what is causing us to have to waive a player, but I have to imagine Olshey went for it because if we have to waive one of the rookies it is akin to getting a 1st round pick for them (and who wouldn't do that?).

Releasing one of Meyers or Harkless would give us ~ 7 million in additional cap room (7.6 for Meyers and 7.2 for Harkless). That would give us the option of offering a max contract to a 10+ year vet like Howard or using that additional 7 million on another player.

Neil has a lot of flexibility to work with. I imagine we offer the QO to all our RFAs and if we need the money to sign someone else we can always rescind it later.

EDIT: Also something very important to point out. It is definitely no coincidence that we are operating with just enough cap room to offer a 7-10 year MAX. If you aren't impressed by Olshey's and co.'s cap management skills before you should be now. Even the little things like Aminu's and Davis's declining contracts are what is helping us get to the magic number. It's little saavy moves like this that makes you understand that management has organizational foresight. We are really in great hands with Olshey and I am so ecstatic that we have organizational stability after years of shoddy management.

I've pointed out Neil's brilliant cap moves each time.

When we got Hendo, it was an expiring deal. $6M of cap space this summer, if we renounce him.

 

[santeesioux]

Sign Durant or Lebron, simple.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

evil theory:
OKC signs Durant to supermax, gets into luxury tax area.
Neil says....

We'll take Kanter off your hands.... if you give us a 1st rounder

 

[BonesJones]

I think the only position where we are better than they are is at SG, where CJ destroys Soup Juggler

Westbrook>Dame
Kanter, Adams, Ibaka> Plumlee, Davis, Kaman, Injured guy
Obviously Durant over whoever.

Dame is a better compliment to KD than Westbrook. CJ is a big upgrade over Roberson. Our bench is a LOT better. They have the advantage with Ibaka but the advantages Kanter has offensively over Plumlee is negated by his defensive problems.