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Mediocre Man said:
Would you trade a first for those guys?
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You mean plumlee? Portland did, and that was before he got an opportunity to start.

I have no doubts Portland could get a non lottery first for him.
 
I was just thinking, I'd never ever swap CJ for DeRozan at SG as I value his shooting way more than DeRozan's ability to get to the line and superior defence. However I think DeRozan could possibly be converted into a SF under Stotts' guidance, he's not that small, he's quick and his shooting could still improve like we saw with Aminu and Moe this season. He's way below in my priority list for the Summer but if we can't get any of Horford, Durant (obviously not feasible) or even Howard then we have to use our max cap space somewhere and using it on DeRozan will not be the worst possible outcome. Even if it doesn't work out and he doesn't adjust to SF position we will have the option to test two possibilities: a) move him to SG and try to get maximum value for CJ, b) use him as a trade piece in moving for a new PF/C while moving Aminu/Harkless back to SF.

Is this a completely silly idea?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Would you trade a first for those guys?
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For Plumlee? He'd easily fetch 15-20 pick IMO. He's a proven center, very good rebounder, decent defensively, improving at FT% and even if his offense leaves a lot to be desired he's still a more sure option right now than a center you could pick around 20 in this draft. He's basically ready to make an impact from the start, while players like Zubac, Jones or Maker will take a while.

I don't think we can trade Meyers for a pick though as his contract is expiring.
 
I think the realistic side of me knows that there is no shot with Durant, he will probably stay with OKC anyway, but if he doesnt I think the conclusion that I have come to is that I hope we get a legit meeting with him. I say this because I think even that will be huge for us a team. If other players see that he was willing to meet with us and we were a legit option then that looks great for us and although we might not have a ton of cap space again for a long it can still be nothing but helpful to out name brand if you will. So whether or not you like Durant or want Durant you should want him to at least be willing to meet with us and give us a shot. It would also give a good idea just how much progress we have made in the Portland is not a desirable FA destination problem.

The only caveat that I would have to this is if we have a REALLY good shot at one of the next tier of players and this would hinder that. But this also sounds exactly like how teams end up having illegal conversations before the FA period starts.
 
The more I think about it and see who's available, the more I hope that Cole Aldrich is one of Olshey's main secondary targets after we get turned down by Durant & Horford. An Aldrich/Williams/Vasquez free agency group would make us a very good team, IMO.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The more I think about it and see who's available, the more I hope that Cole Aldrich is one of Olshey's main secondary targets after we get turned down by Durant & Horford. An Aldrich/Williams/Vasquez free agency group would make us a very good team, IMO.
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Aldrich is a legit starter in this league. He should be priority one if all the big FAs reject us (as expected). Vasquez is awful, can't shoot or play defense.
 
B-Roy said:
Aldrich is a legit starter in this league. He should be priority one if all the big FAs reject us (as expected). Vasquez is awful, can't shoot or play defense.
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Is Vasquez really that bad defensively? I'll admit I haven't seen much of him in recent years, but I've always had the impression that he was decent on defense. I figured at his size he'd be a good tall backup PG.

Oh well--still doesn't change my interest in Aldrich and Marvin Williams. I could see those two, with Davis/Plumlee behind them, as a fantastic PF/C combo.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Is Vasquez really that bad defensively? I'll admit I haven't seen much of him in recent years, but I've always had the impression that he was decent on defense. I figured at his size he'd be a good tall backup PG.

Oh well--still doesn't change my interest in Aldrich and Marvin Williams. I could see those two, with Davis/Plumlee behind them, as a fantastic PF/C combo.
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Awful awful awful.
 
Pelicans Get: 9th pick, Noah Vonleh
Raptors Get: Al-Farouq Aminu, Mason Plumlee, 2018 CLE 1st
Blazers Get: 6th Pick, 27th Pick

We trade 27th pick, Future 2nd, cash for 21st pick

We draft Kris Dunn 6th
Draft Taurean Prince 21st

We sign Al Horford and Marvin Williams

Lillard (28) / Dunn (20)
McCollum (36) / Lillard (8) / Crabbe (4)
Harkless (24) / Crabbe (24)
Williams (26) / Davis (22)
Horford (33) / Leonard (15)

Bench Squad: Alexander, Connaughton, Montero, Prince, 2 Undrafted Free Agents
 
santeesioux said:
I know it's Screamin' A. Smith, but he supposedly said he thought Lebron would leave Cleveland if he got them a championship. I wonder if we could even get a meeting with him considering we're Nike town.

At the very least we might want to hang onto that draft pick to see what he does.
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Well SAS did predict there was a good chance LeBron would leave the Heat for the Cavs FWIW. However, I think LeBron loves what he's working with (for now) in CLE. Even if he were to leave, he isn't coming to the West. Why would he leave the East? The East is his property.
 
BonesJones said:
Pelicans Get: 9th pick, Noah Vonleh
Raptors Get: Al-Farouq Aminu, Mason Plumlee, 2018 CLE 1st
Blazers Get: 6th Pick, 27th Pick

We trade 27th pick, Future 2nd, cash for 21st pick

We draft Kris Dunn 6th
Draft Taurean Prince 21st

We sign Al Horford and Marvin Williams

Lillard (28) / Dunn (20)
McCollum (36) / Lillard (8) / Crabbe (4)
Harkless (24) / Crabbe (24)
Williams (26) / Davis (22)
Horford (33) / Leonard (15)

Bench Squad: Alexander, Connaughton, Montero, Prince, 2 Undrafted Free Agents
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Aminu, Plumlee, Vonleh, and a 1st Round pick for No. 6 and 27? Feels like a steep price to pay.
 
HolyBackboard said:
Aminu, Plumlee, Vonleh, and a 1st Round pick for No. 6 and 27? Feels like a steep price to pay.
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I mean if you don't have to give up that much then you don't. Maybe keep the 1st round pick.

Dunn would be the perfect compliment to CJ and Dame tho. Is 6'4.5, a great defender than can guard two positions, and a good ballhandler than can pass the ball.
 
BonesJones said:
I mean if you don't have to give up that much then you don't. Maybe keep the 1st round pick.

Dunn would be the perfect compliment to CJ and Dame tho. Is 6'4.5, a great defender than can guard two positions, and a good ballhandler than can pass the ball.
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I don't mind moving the pick and Plumee (because he's due for a raise next year and the FA crop is heavy with Centers).

AFA is only getting better and is on a fantastic deal and I still believe Vonleh will live up to his draft position. If you think you can re-sign Harkless and add a guy like Bazemore, then AFA could become expendable but that's a lot of assumptions and could backfire with FA being a week after the draft.

Dunn is a nice prospect, but if we retain AC, where are there minutes for anyone else in the backcourt (Dame, CJ, Crabbe)?
 
HolyBackboard said:
I don't mind moving the pick and Plumee (because he's due for a raise next year and the FA crop is heavy with Centers).

AFA is only getting better and is on a fantastic deal and I still believe Vonleh will live up to his draft position. If you think you can re-sign Harkless and add a guy like Bazemore, then AFA could become expendable but that's a lot of assumptions and could backfire with FA being a week after the draft.

Dunn is a nice prospect, but if we retain AC, where are there minutes for anyone else in the backcourt (Dame, CJ, Crabbe)?
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I'd view Crabbe as a backup SG/SF. We'd have to give up Aminu at least. But it'd clear cap space to sign a guy like Marvin Williams to replace him.

Say we sign Horford and Williams..

Lillard (28) / Dunn (20)
CJ (36) / Lillard (8) / Crabbe (4)
Harkless (24) / Crabbe (24)
Williams (26) / Davis (22)
Horford (33) / Leonard (15)

Williams is essentially a bigger, better offensive version of Aminu. Crabbe is big enough to play the 3.

With that team we upgrade defensively with Horford and Dunn. But offensively wed now have 3 bigs that can finish around the rim while every player except for Davis (Harkless is iffy) being able to shoot the 3.
 
Williams would also be the perfect defender to put on Draymond.
 
I love the draft as much as the next guy, maybe more. But I also grow to dislike it so much when reading through some threads. You wanna trade 2 starters, a prospect and a future 1st to Draft a guy who is a bench player for us? If free agency happened before the draft, some of the ideas might be ok. But the constant excitement of the draft, where we starting throwing away starters for multiple picks is unreasonable.
Hey dame, cj, terry, fan base. Understand you got excited this past year. We're going to go ahead and take a step back next year to maybe hopefully someday take a step forward
 
BonesJones said:
Pelicans Get: 9th pick, Noah Vonleh
Raptors Get: Al-Farouq Aminu, Mason Plumlee, 2018 CLE 1st
Blazers Get: 6th Pick, 27th Pick
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Wow - I'm really glad you're not GMing the team! I'm not even a fan of Vonleh or Aminu, but we give up WAY too much in this trade. You're basically trading Vonleh, Aminu, and Plumlee for the #6 pick. That was, for most of the season, 3/5ths of our starting line-up!
 
blue9 said:
Wow - I'm really glad you're not GMing the team! I'm not even a fan of Vonleh or Aminu, but we give up WAY too much in this trade. You're basically trading Vonleh, Aminu, and Plumlee for the #6 pick. That was, for most of the season, 3/5ths of our starting line-up!
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You realize how replaceable those guys are? Sign a starting C, sign a starting F. Boom. The savings in cap allow you to keep all the RFA. Now if you can get the pick for less, then you do it..
 
BonesJones said:
You realize how replaceable those guys are? Sign a starting C, sign a starting F. Boom.
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(a) How replaceable they are has nothing to do with it - it's an egregious misuse of assets.
(b) I guess we'll find out how easy it is to sign a starting C and PF this summer, since that seems to be pretty much exactly what we need.
 
blue9 said:
(a) How replaceable they are has nothing to do with it - it's an egregious misuse of assets.
(b) I guess we'll find out how easy it is to sign a starting C and PF this summer, since that seems to be pretty much exactly what we need.
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You realize if we sign a starting big, we'll have to give up on Leonard or Plumlee because then we'd have too many bigs? People say don't retain Meyers, but that's a misuse of assets by giving one up for free! We could take Maker at 27, who is as good of a prussiate prospect as Vonleh. Id rather have Dunn than Aminu, as Dunn is a perfect fit as the 3rd guard with CJ and Dame.

We need another ball handler
We need another defender
We could use a big PG

There's not many players that fit all those, and is a solid offensive player with an outside shot.

Theres TONS of 3 and D SFs. Crabbe or Harkless could be our starting SF, or we could sign one.
 
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