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UKRAINEFAN said:
He can play SG also, in fact he did in Charlotte. I think Toronto could find the minutes for him.
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dviss1 said:
Guys, I think Derozan is leaving. He's gonna be a Leaker... er Faker... er Spanker... Uh... Whatever.
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dviss1 said:
Batum is your next 2 Guard.
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If it comes down to DeRozan for $25MM/year or Batum & Biyombo for that combined, that's something worth considering.

I'm not a big fan of paying DD $180MM/6 years or whatever he is demanding.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Nic's a-hole agent burning bridges and talking bullshit again. FWIW, his agent also represents Ian Mahinmi. Might cross him off the Center list for us.

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That reminds me, could someone compile a list of agents Neil has does good business with before?
 
speeds said:
If it comes down to DeRozan for $25MM/year or Batum & Biyombo for that combined, that's something worth considering.

I'm not a big fan of paying DD $180MM/6 years or whatever he is demanding.
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That's not even an option under this CBA.

Also, Batum and DeRozan are both going to be making max money. The real question is Batum or DeRozan better for your team.
 
This talk of Noah gets me thinking of Marc Gasol as well. He's 31, but doesn't have the NBA mileage of a conventional 31 year old. On a pretty low max contract for 4 more seasons.

He's an absolute perfect fit @ C for us skill wise.
 
Nate said:
Based on your first response, I can see that you didn't look at the links I left there. And even in the regular season, aminu has better numbers defensively than millsap when it comes to perimeter defense. So after I realized you were too lazy to click on a link, or were incapable of reading once you clicked on it, I decided to not read the rest of your bullshit.
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Of course I looked at them, but chose not to comment on them, because they don't tell me nearly as much as you think they do. You cherry picked one obscure stat (Defensive 3FG%) to "prove" your point that Aminu is a better perimeter defender than Millsap (if you look at DFG% > 15 ft, the stat swings in Millsap's favor, big deal, it's only one stat). Sorry, but there's a LOT more to perimeter defense than that one simplistic stat. How well do the two players defend the pick and roll? If they defend it well, there won't even be a FG attempt. How well do they run their man off the 3-point line? Again, if they do it will, it won't even result in a shot attempt.

You seem to be taking this very personal, with a lot of foul language and personal attacks. Look at ALL the stats and the opinions of coaches and other players. Millsap is widely regarded as one of the best defenders in the entire league. Aminu is not.

Again, Millsap is a pipe dream, and if we did add him, I'd also love to keep Chief. Adding one of the top defenders in the league can only help this team get better. That should be the goal. And, if Chief is so much better, let him beat out Millsap for the starting roll. Or better yet, if that ever happens, do like I said and start Millsap at the 4 and Chief at the 3. That puts them both playing their best position and gives us two good defenders in the starting line up. Of course, that is all hypothetical as I think we have less than a 1% chance of actually getting Millsap.

BNM
 
Marcus.

Smart.

As the playoffs are showing you - defense is magnified 10000x's as you get closer to the finals. Smart can legitimately check PG/SG/SF's.

The availability of Smart depends on their draft. But they could also (fuck up Fez's plan...) package this pick with Smart (among others) ....for DMC or another veteran star.
 
http://www.csnphilly.com/the700leve...od-sixers-trade-jahlil-okafor-or-nerlens-noel

Chad Ford:
I think that there's a very high likelihood, that whether it's to move up in the draft or use them to grab a free agent in a sign and trade or just to a trade, that you will not see the Nerlens Noel-Jahlil Okafor pairing at the start of next season. I think that they'll gauge the interest of both players. I think that there might be a slight preference for Noel, to keep him around with the Sixers, and I think you might be right, there might be a slight, better value for Okafor out on the market, but I think everyone agrees that that combination of those two players doesn't necessarily work.

The Sixers needs to pick up assets, especially if they're gonna go ahead and do a Ben Simmons or Brandon Ingram with the first pick in the draft. Then they're gonna need those assets to start to fill out their backcourt, because the 24th pick and [the 26th pick], you're not finding starters. I'm not even sure that you're necessarily finding rotation players at that back end of the draft that are gonna make big impact, so they're gonna have to do that via free agency or via trade, and I think either Okafor or Noel — I don't think they'll trade both — but one of those two is probably their best trade chip
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I kinda wanna explore options for Saric tbh.

 
Pinwheel1 said:
How is his D? He looks like most Euros....fundamentally sound....but there were of course no highlights of him on defense.
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No idea. Draft sites say his lateral movement is off but he has size to guard 4s, and is smart enough to be passable.

I don't know much about him, but his size and skills intrigue me. And them adding Ben Simmons would make him obsolete.
 
yuyuza1 said:
No idea. Draft sites say his lateral movement is off but he has size to guard 4s, and is smart enough to be passable.

I don't know much about him, but his size and skills intrigue me. And them adding Ben Simmons would make him obsolete.
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He is intriguing, but at what cost. My gut says he would struggle on D. Interesting when I was Googling him I saw this article:

http://www.phillyvoice.com/drafting-ben-simmons-could-drastically-impact-sixers-guard-rotation/

"The Sixers would want to target (FA) wings that can shoot and defend, which is easier said than done at a reasonable price range. Portland’s Allen Crabbe is someone who could fit the bill. Dion Waiters carries some risk as far as knowing his role (and I would likely pass for that reason), but he’s currently playing within himself on a title contender. And speaking of local guys, Gerald Henderson might be a decent “buy low” option although he has only been around a 34 percent three-point shooter the last few years."
 
Scalma said:
Noel would be perfect. Wonder what it would take?

I like Saric too but I think he's part of their future
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In your opinion, what makes him perfect?

IMO, Noel is a sub par defender, and a sub par passer. He also doesn't seem to have the game to stretch the defense either. Can't really see him as anything more than a role player going forward. Maybe it's been his environment or coaching or whatever, but I would shy away from someone like him
 
Mediocre Man said:
In your opinion, what makes him perfect?

IMO, Noel is a sub par defender, and a sub par passer. He also doesn't seem to have the game to stretch the defense either. Can't really see him as anything more than a role player going forward. Maybe it's been his environment or coaching or whatever, but I would shy away from someone like him
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Noel a sub-par defender? What is your basis for that opinion? Seems to fly in the face of every report and analytic out there.
 
Noel is a sub-par offensive player for sure. But defensively? He is close to elite (not elite though).
 
KeepOnRollin said:
Noel is a sub-par offensive player for sure. But defensively? He is close to elite (not elite though).
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This

It's the same reason I would want Larry Sanders. Noel is a safer bet though but would obviously cost more
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Noel a sub-par defender? What is your basis for that opinion? Seems to fly in the face of every report and analytic out there.
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Watching him play. He gets pushed around down low, and doesn't have the foot speed to stay with perimeter guys. He seemed to start out like the defensive monster everyone thought he'd be, but last year, to me anyway, I saw a different player. Maybe it was the team, but they were pretty shitty both years, he had a 99 defensive rating in year 1, and that ballooned to 103 last season. Defensive win shares dropped from 4.2 to 2.8, and his defensive plus minus was down as well.
 
Scalma said:
This

It's the same reason I would want Larry Sanders. Noel is a safer bet though but would obviously cost more
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Why am I so frightened of Noel's durability/injury history? I don't remember what his injury was, but for whatever reason he's sticks out in my mind as the largest injury risk out there...and I don't know why that's all I think of when I think of Noel.
 
blue9 said:
Why am I so frightened of Noel's durability/injury history? I don't remember what his injury was, but for whatever reason he's sticks out in my mind as the largest injury risk out there...and I don't know why that's all I think of when I think of Noel.
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He dropped in the draft because he got injured in college. Don't watch this if you get queasy easily.

 
Mediocre Man said:
IMO, Noel is a sub par defender, and a sub par passer. He also doesn't seem to have the game to stretch the defense either. Can't really see him as anything more than a role player going forward. Maybe it's been his environment or coaching or whatever, but I would shy away from someone like him
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I agree with you on Noel's limited offensive game, in fact I'd call it EXTREMELY limited. The guy basically can't score beyond 3 feet from the basket, and that includes the FT line.

I disagree with your assessment of his defense. It's really the only reason he's in the NBA. He has great length and quick, active hands. He is the only player in the entire NBA to gave at least 100 steals and at least 100 blocks in the last two seasons - which is pretty impressive given that he's only played two seasons. The only other players who have had at least 100 steals and at least 100 blocks in either of the last two years are : Anthony Davis - 2014-15, Andre Drummond - 2014-15, Draymond Green - 2015-16, Paul Millsap - 2015-16. That's some pretty good company, and as I said, Noel did so in both 2014-15 and 2015-16.

His advanced defensive stats are also impressive. As a rookie playing on a crappy team, he was still 4th in the league in Defensive Box Plus/Minus and had the 8th best DRtg in the league. He was top 10 in both BLK% and STL%. This season he was 8th in the league in Defensive Box Plus/Minus.

Defensive is not his weakness, which you'd kind of expect for a guy whose nicknames are The Eraser and The Nerlen Wall.

That said, I agree with your overall assessment that he's a role player and unless he can very significantly upgrade his offense, that's what he will remain. He's basically a younger version of Ed Davis. His defensive is a little better than Ed's but Ed's offense and rebounding a better than Noel's. Noel is only an average rebounder for his size/position. And, as you mentioned, he will not create space on offense. In order to improve this team, we need two way players in our front court - players that contribute at both ends.

Guys like Davis and Noel are great coming off the bench, but we already have Davis and he wants to be here. What we really need is one, or more, front court starter that is above average at both offense and defense. That's why guys like Horford and Millsap are so appealing (and will be in such high demand).

I know you don't like Meyers, but having a big that can create space with his outside shot is pretty much a necessity in today's NBA. The advanced team stats show the Blazers performed significantly better with Meyers on the floor than without him. The way his shooting spreads the defense makes things so much easier for Dame and C.J. Too bad his defense isn't anywhere near what Noel's is. I suppose you could play Meyers and Noel together, with Meyers guarding the other team's center and Noel the PF and switching roles on the other end, but then you end up with two "specialists" in your starting front court. Like I said, I think the best way we can upgrade our roster is by landing at least one front court player who is above average at both ends.

BNM
 
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Kyle (Mook) [via mobile]


Should Blazers go after Biyombo this summer? Great length, rebounds, and good D.

Kevin Pelton
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I get the appeal in that Biyombo brings an athletic rim protection that is currently missing from the roster, but I wouldn't underestimate the offensive drop-off from a great finisher in Ed Davis and a great playmaker from the center spot in Mason Plumlee to Biyombo. And both of those guys are on great contracts, although Plumlee is up for an extension after next season. Maybe if you could get something good for Plumlee in trade it would make sense to spend the extra money on Biyombo, but otherwise I'd rather stick with the guys on hand.
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Mac (Boston) [via mobile]


I think most would agree that even the second tier "known commodities" like Deng, Biyombo, etc... are all looking at $15+ million contracts, but what do you see the market looking like for the younger, higher upside, but less proven RFAs like Andrew Nicholson, Meyers Leonard, Allen Crabbe, etc?

Kevin Pelton
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I think Leonard is also in that $10-15 million range. Nicholson isn't nearly as appealing in terms of upside or proven impact. All it takes is one team but I'd be surprised to see him get more than $5 million a year and he might be looking more in the room exception range (about $3 million).
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Charles (San Jose)


What team would be the best fit for Biyombo? If Duncan retires there are 3 teams in Texas that could use him.

Kevin Pelton
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I think it probably is Portland given that the Blazers' guards are scoring threats on the pick-and-roll like Toronto's and Portland's pick-and-roll defense would emphasize Biyombo's skills.
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Colin (Portland) [via mobile]


Who should the Blazers target in free agency with their piles of cap space? And should they match offers on Meyers Leonard, who rejected their extension last summer?

Kevin Pelton
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I think Hassan Whiteside is the best realistic option for them in free agency. Depends on the size of the deal for Leonard. Given that I think he's most valuable at center and I don't think he should play there over Davis and Plumlee, I would not be comfortable matching an offer for more than $10 million a year -- which is the likely range.
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Ty (CA) [via mobile]


When you actually think about it, was Lillard's defense this season all that better than Harden's?

Kevin Pelton
(2:11 PM)


Yes. Lillard competes defensively, which sets a good tone for his team. Given the talent and experience on the respective rosters, the Blazers had no business being as good defensively this season as the Rockets.
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will (portland)


Hey Kevin - just saw a report from Marc Stein that the Sixers will shop Noel and Okafor before the draft. As a Blazers fan I think we should pursue Noel over all the other available FA centers, even Whiteside, given his age, upside, and lack of attitude issues - what do you think? Would S

Kevin Pelton
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I agree that Noel is a good fit for the Blazers, but I don't see what Portland has to offer enticing Philadelphia unless Plumlee was part of a three-team trade. At whatever salary he'd get in free agency, Crabbe doesn't have much surplus value like Noel has at his salary next season.
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When you actually think about it, was Lillard's defense this season all that better than Harden's?

Kevin Pelton
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Yes. Lillard competes defensively, which sets a good tone for his team. Given the talent and experience on the respective rosters, the Blazers had no business being as good defensively this season as the Rockets.
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Fucking Rocket fans... they're looking for a target to blame Harden not making the All-NBA teams, and some of them have set their sites on Dame.
 
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