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TBpup said:
See the picture above. Both are listed at 6'3". Regardless, I clarified to undersized back court for those seemingly so up in arms.
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Could we see the whole picture? Russ looks like he's standing on the ball of his foot.
 
KingSpeed said:
Could we see the whole picture? Russ looks like he's standing on the ball of his foot.
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Could also be wearing high heels. All I know is I've stood next to Dame and 6'3" seems like a stretch.
 
hoopsjock said:
I find it funny that people are posting that CJ is too ball dominant while there are others posting about wanting Rodney Hood. CJ this year has double the assists per game and a lower usage rate. Hood is a big time chucker and is also known for having very poor defense.
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I’ve posted on here about this before but Hood should have never been put into the role he was in Utah. They expected him to make a big jump in his contract year like Hayward did but he’s just not that player. So he has fallen out of favor and turned into a less efficient Crawford trying to get his numbers in limited minutes.

He needs to be a third or fourth option floor space that knocks down threes and makes cuts to the basket. I think that’s exactly what his role would be on this team so I’m high on him. But I get the arguments against.
 
TBpup said:
Uh....he hasn't been a very good defender in his career. He is a little better this season as mentioned. Not sure what narrative you are referring to and doubtful any single post takes everything into account. But you're free to your opinion....and I won't call it an agenda.
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I saw 3 straight possessions where Lillard and CJ couldn't stop Kennard. Ug! Ya,not much defense coming from our backcourt. I am not a Lillard hater because I love the fact he wants to win and is willing to voice that to ownership, but man he needs to stop complaining to the refs on every play. Yes he gets no calls, but it just makes him look like a whiner and refs tune him out after so many complaints. He needs to pick his moments better.
 


One thing that may be worth spending a pick on (depending on what NYK's ideas about Frank are:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9n89xnf

Shabazz + Mo + Protected 1st
for
Ntilikina, Hernangomez, O'quinn.

We know NYK likes Moe, and they may be inclined to grab Shabazz vice Frank. Maybe not. Hernangomez is playing about as much as Vonleh is. O'Quinn is filler for this year and next, but it does the following:

We take a hit at backup PG as Shabazz is more polished and better shooter/scorer. Frank is a 6'5 PG with a 2-1 A/TO and 1 spg as a 19y/o.
We drop below the lux tax for this season (12.5M going out, 9.1M coming back)
We keep a backup PG on a rookie contract for the next 3 years of control at below a taxpayer MLE...I think Shabazz gets more than that
We drop 2M in 2018-19 Salary (more if you were going to pay Shabazz) and 5M in 2019-20 salary, while not hurting our core.

If something like this was on the table, it would be worth spending a pick on, as we pick up 2 cost-controlled players and some salary relief. Which makes me think it won't have a chance of happening. But this would be the template.
 
BrianFromWA said:


One thing that may be worth spending a pick on (depending on what NYK's ideas about Frank are:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9n89xnf
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9n89xnf
Shabazz + Mo + Protected 1st
for
Ntilikina, Hernangomez, O'quinn.

We know NYK likes Moe, and they may be inclined to grab Shabazz vice Frank. Maybe not. Hernangomez is playing about as much as Vonleh is. O'Quinn is filler for this year and next, but it does the following:

We take a hit at backup PG as Shabazz is more polished and better shooter/scorer. Frank is a 6'5 PG with a 2-1 A/TO and 1 spg as a 19y/o.
We drop below the lux tax for this season (12.5M going out, 9.1M coming back)
We keep a backup PG on a rookie contract for the next 3 years of control at below a taxpayer MLE...I think Shabazz gets more than that
We drop 2M in 2018-19 Salary (more if you were going to pay Shabazz) and 5M in 2019-20 salary, while not hurting our core.

If something like this was on the table, it would be worth spending a pick on, as we pick up 2 cost-controlled players and some salary relief. Which makes me think it won't have a chance of happening. But this would be the template.
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Why on Earth would NY do this?
 
If we traded CJ for Love and the Nets pick I wouldn’t be mad, with Love out and no CJ we would most likely have 2 top 10 picks in a loaded draft, with any luck we could get our SGOTF and SFOTF to pair with the 20 year old Collins and the 23 year old Nurk. With any luck they all develop by the time Dame’s contract is up and he stays. I think we stand a better chance becoming a contender going that rout then keeping CJ and having no way to upgrade the roster significantly. Not to mention if the 2 draft picks, Collins and Nurk all develop by year 3 all those bad contracts go off the books and we can add complimentary pieces. Just my thoughts.
 
hoopsjock said:
Why on Earth would NY do this?
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Who knows or cares? I placed it as an example of a template for trades that would rate using a first.

(to take a stab, I used NYK b/c a) we know that they like at least one of our "horrible contract" players, b) Frank almost just got sent to the G-LEague and can't beat out Trey Burke, who will be cheap for them for at least 2 more years entering (age 25) his prime, or Jarrett Jack for minutes. NYK is on a similar plan that we've been talking about, getting in the players to build around their young core. Frank may be part of that soon, but isn't now. Willy isn't, and now has asked for a trade). Shabazz would immediately give them 2 good PGs (and controllable ones) and Mo would be, besides Dougie McDermott, the only SF on the roster. They have a million SGs that they're trying to dump, but they're not bumped up against the tax this year or next and can take on a bit of salary to get a pick and two players entering their prime.

But what the hell do I know? I'm just using a template.
 
LayneStaley said:
If we traded CJ for Love and the Nets pick I wouldn’t be mad, with Love out and no CJ we would most likely have 2 top 10 picks in a loaded draft, with any luck we could get our SGOTF and SFOTF to pair with the 20 year old Collins and the 23 year old Nurk. With any luck they all develop by the time Dame’s contract is up and he stays. I think we stand a better chance becoming a contender going that rout then keeping CJ and having no way to upgrade the roster significantly. Not to mention if the 2 draft picks, Collins and Nurk all develop by year 3 all those bad contracts go off the books and we can add complimentary pieces. Just my thoughts.
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The trick is to line up the FA spending in the summer before Year 4 of the rookies you know are going to be on big deals, but :dunno:
 
hoopsjock said:
I'm guessing if that happens McBob would be bought out.
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The McBob trade would fit into my scenario in which we say screw it and take on another bad contract to load up on future assets.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yahaypdb

Blazers get Luol Deng, Lakers 2020 1st round pick unprotected, and a 2022 1st round pick (top-5 protected)
Mavs get Harkless, Vonleh, future 2nd from Lakers
Lakers get Ed Davis, McRoberts, and Layman

The Blazers take on one of the worst contracts in the league but manage to duck under the tax line this year and get two future 1sts for their troubles.
 
BrianFromWA said:


One thing that may be worth spending a pick on (depending on what NYK's ideas about Frank are:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9n89xnf
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9n89xnf
Shabazz + Mo + Protected 1st
for
Ntilikina, Hernangomez, O'quinn.

We know NYK likes Moe, and they may be inclined to grab Shabazz vice Frank. Maybe not. Hernangomez is playing about as much as Vonleh is. O'Quinn is filler for this year and next, but it does the following:

We take a hit at backup PG as Shabazz is more polished and better shooter/scorer. Frank is a 6'5 PG with a 2-1 A/TO and 1 spg as a 19y/o.
We drop below the lux tax for this season (12.5M going out, 9.1M coming back)
We keep a backup PG on a rookie contract for the next 3 years of control at below a taxpayer MLE...I think Shabazz gets more than that
We drop 2M in 2018-19 Salary (more if you were going to pay Shabazz) and 5M in 2019-20 salary, while not hurting our core.

If something like this was on the table, it would be worth spending a pick on, as we pick up 2 cost-controlled players and some salary relief. Which makes me think it won't have a chance of happening. But this would be the template.
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NYK doesn't take that. They're high on Ntilikina. However i believe Hernangomez has borderline all-star potential. He could be very, very good. Would love to see us take a chance on him.
 
hoopsjock said:
The McBob trade would fit into my scenario in which we say screw it and take on another bad contract to load up on future assets.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yahaypdb

Blazers get Luol Deng, Lakers 2020 1st round pick unprotected, and a 2022 1st round pick (top-5 protected)
Mavs get Harkless, Vonleh, future 2nd from Lakers
Lakers get Ed Davis, McRoberts, and Layman

The Blazers take on one of the worst contracts in the league but manage to duck under the tax line this year and get two future 1sts for their troubles.
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Fuck no to helping the Lakers land LeBron.
 
LayneStaley said:
If we traded CJ for Love and the Nets pick I wouldn’t be mad, with Love out and no CJ we would most likely have 2 top 10 picks in a loaded draft, with any luck we could get our SGOTF and SFOTF to pair with the 20 year old Collins and the 23 year old Nurk. With any luck they all develop by the time Dame’s contract is up and he stays. I think we stand a better chance becoming a contender going that rout then keeping CJ and having no way to upgrade the roster significantly. Not to mention if the 2 draft picks, Collins and Nurk all develop by year 3 all those bad contracts go off the books and we can add complimentary pieces. Just my thoughts.
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The thing I love about the Brooklyn pick is that it doesn't matter if the trade makes Cleveland better. That would be the worst if we traded CJ somewhere for a high pick and that team went on a nice winning streak and the pick got bumped out of the lottery.

Would you guys still do the CJ trade if we had to take Shump, JR, or Tristan back?

Something like:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y96xkj5s

Plus we get the Brooklyn pick of course.
 
BonesJones said:
Fuck no to helping the Lakers land LeBron.
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As I mentioned the other day I don't believe the Lakers are going to land LeBron or anyone that will be worth them dumping a bunch of salary for.
 
hoopsjock said:
The thing I love about the Brooklyn pick is that it doesn't matter if the trade makes Cleveland better. That would be the worst if we traded CJ somewhere for a high pick and that team went on a nice winning streak and the pick got bumped out of the lottery.

Would you guys still do the CJ trade if we had to take Shump, JR, or Tristan back?

Something like:
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yahaypdb

Plus we get the Brooklyn pick of course.
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Yes I would because by the time Nurk/Collins/and our 2 lottery picks this year(we would be in lottery with Love not playing and no CJ)were all 25 and under(most 22) all those contracts would be expiring and we would have 4 studs under 25 and dame at 29.
 
hoopsjock said:
As I mentioned the other day I don't believe the Lakers are going to land LeBron or anyone that will be worth them dumping a bunch of salary for.
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Then why would they dump a bunch of salary...?
 
BonesJones said:
Then why would they dump a bunch of salary...?
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Because they are the Lakers and they think they can sign anyone if they have the space.

CJ helps LeBron win a title and he stays! If LeBron leaves I think it's Houston he'd consider. Paul George stays in OKC! Lakers suck for years and we get the #1 pick in 2020 and a late lottery pick in 2022.
 
I do think Houston is Lebron’s destination, it’s the only way he’s gonns be able to win another title in the next 3-5 years. CP3/Harden/LBJ can beat Golden State. That’s why we should be acquiring the highest picks as we possibly can, this is the time to get elite prospects so that when GS slows down we are the next dynasty
 
Gronk Brady said:
Role players are the secondary issue... how can you not see Dame and CJ don’t fit together. You like watching 2 guards play iso ball and take half the teams shots??? Blake Griffin is basically another PG on the court
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Lmao. Why do you think they're taking half the shots and trying so hard to create for themselves...? Because their role players aren't reliable. With better role players Dame is getting 8 assists a game so its a poor assessment of him to say hes only an iso player who shoots a lot. But you seriously think Dame and CJ are a bigger issue than the fact that our starting forwards are Evan Turner and Al-Farouq Aminu???

Smh.
 
LayneStaley said:
I do think Houston is Lebron’s destination, it’s the only way he’s gonns be able to win another title in the next 3-5 years. CP3/Harden/LBJ can beat Golden State. That’s why we should be acquiring the highest picks as we possibly can, this is the time to get elite prospects so that when GS slows down we are the next dynasty
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How? They can't offer him a max contract...
 
hoopsjock said:
Because they are the Lakers and they think they can sign anyone if they have the space.

CJ helps LeBron win a title and he stays! If LeBron leaves I think it's Houston he'd consider. Paul George stays in OKC! Lakers suck for years and we get the #1 pick in 2020 and a late lottery pick in 2022.
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Yeah, they're not gonna dump Deng now... if they sign someone theyll do it then, if nit tjeyll jeep their picks.

You realize that the Lakers would never give up unprotected picks in the situation they're in?
 
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