Exclusive Official 2018 Trade Deadline Thread

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Scalma said:
But we’d be adding about 5m to our books. Would Allen sign off on that? We’d probably be a tax team for the forseeable future.
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Yes, we would be--but we would have a legit third scorer without having to part with Dame, CJ, Nurkic, or Collins. PA may well consider that worth the tax bill.
 
My problem with Porter is that once you have him, you have $80M locked in CJ, Dame and his deal and very little flexibility for a good few years. This is not a championship winning three for sure.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Been trying to find something that makes sense. Abrines/Singler for Harkless/Vonleh works and saves us 2.7M this year, which almost gets us under the tax.

Now, if they're willing to give up prospects like Ferguson and Grant, then we could go Harkless/Aminu/Vonleh for Roberson/Abrines/Ferguson/Grant, and that would save us 3.7M this year, and restock our cupboard. Personally, I don't think that makes a lot of sense for them, but if they see that as a "shoot for the moon" type move (and honestly, it would give them a lot of defensive switchability), it could happen.
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Yeah that abrines/singler package seems like a rip off, and the other one seems unlikely. If I were Olshey I would demand Ferguson to be included, but like you said, it wouldn’t make much sense for them.
 
TBpup said:
Not in the same box....but too similar when they are both undersized. Both ball dominant and neither a very good defender.
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Please define ball dominant.

Because:

Magic
Stockton
Nash
Payton
Kidd
KJ
Porter

I could go on....

All were ball dominant players and played best when they controlled the offense by having the ball all the time.
 
Sarni said:
My problem with Porter is that once you have him, you have $80M locked in CJ, Dame and his deal and very little flexibility for a good few years. This is not a championship winning three for sure.
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Idk, a lineup of Dame, CJ, Porter, Collins, and Nurkic is pretty damn good, and maybe as good as we can get.
 
Scalma said:
If I were Olshey I would demand Ferguson to be included, but like you said, it wouldn’t make much sense for them.
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If they think they need to focus on this year rather than the future, they might. They've lost 4 straight, and even though they're starting him, they're not playing Ferguson big minutes.

I'm warming to the idea.
 
Lukee said:
He said CJ for TT nad BKN pick was undervaluing CJ.
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No it was Love not TT. Hell TT and the BKN pick wouldn't be worth Harkless the way TT is playing and is paid, okay TT isn't that worthless but he is damn close atm.
 
Rhal said:
No it was Love not TT. Hell TT and the BKN pick wouldn't be worth Harkless the way TT is playing and is paid, okay TT isn't that worthless but he is damn close atm.
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I understand him differently. No way he said Love+BKN pick isn't that good for CJ.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Is that lineup better than Wall/Beal/Oubre/Porter/Gortat?
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I don't know anything about Oubre's defensive abilities, but I'd wager that Collins is superior in that regard. Looking forward, I'd expect Porter/Collins/Nurkic to be superior overall to Oubre/Porter/Gortat, but I get that it's questionable.
 
dviss1 said:
Please define ball dominant.

Because:

Magic
Stockton
Nash
Payton
Kidd
KJ
Porter

I could go on....

All were ball dominant players and played best when they controlled the offense by having the ball all the time.
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I'm quite surprised Dame/CJ would be in a comparison with that group. Talk about one of these things not being like the others.

Career numbers
Magic - 11.2 APG -
Stockton - 10.5 APG
Kevin Johnson - 9.1 APG
Jason Kidd - 8.7 APG
Steve Nash - 8.5 APG
Gary Payton - 6.7 APG
Terry Porter - 5.6 APG
Dame/CJ - 6.2+2.8 = 9.0

So many of those other guards were preeminent distributors and in Payton's case, one of the premiere defenders in the league which doesn't have anything to do with being ball dominant but is a stark contrast to Dame/CJ. I can't think of any of those listed above that pounded the crap out of the ball the way CJ does. Watch him when he gets the ball. Almost everything else comes to a halt while he dribbles, dribbles, steps back, crosses over and dribbles some more. Dame is a much more willing passer than CJ but to me, still a scoring PG and there is nothing wrong with that. Combine it with CJ though and I don't think that is a recipe for long term success.
 
Probably belongs in the "crazy trade ideas" thread, but it's not impossible to combine the "trade for Otto Porter" idea with the "Harkless to OKC" idea. This deal:
  • Saves WAS 5M this year and over $11M next, and opens up time for Oubre (who would obviously play ahead of Turner)
  • Gives OKC two players to bolster their defense this year, without parting with prize prospect Ferguson
  • Gives Portland the best player in the deal.

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yuyuza1 said:
Lowe: Love + CLE pick for CJ, or Tristan + Nets pick for CJ?

Woj: POR has no interest in trading CJ, and CJ has way more value than that both to POR and around the league.
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Lukee said:
I understand him differently. No way he said Love+BKN pick isn't that good for CJ.
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I mean logically CJ does have more value than Love + pick.
As I said yesterday, a fringe allstar + lotto pick is a scam for a player like CJ.
 
honkicracker said:
I mean logically CJ does have more value than Love + pick.
As I said yesterday, a fringe allstar + lotto pick is a scam for a player like CJ.
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Zach clarified this in his article last night:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...eadline-preview-cavaliers-deandre-jordan-more
Some folks have pitched deals centered around C.J. McCollum. Portland continues to reject any inquires on McCollum and Damian Lillard, sources say. A package of Kevin Love and the Nets pick would be too much for Cleveland; swapping Love for McCollum doesn't really move the needle anyway. A package centered around Tristan Thompson and the Nets pick may not be enough for Portland.
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BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
Since the Thunder have expressed interest in Harkless and the Lakers want to deal Clarkson (to make room in FA) would you do this trade?
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The only Lakers I have remote interest in are Ingram and Randle. And they ain't trading Ingram.

Randle would be a terrific fit next to Nurk.
 
yuyuza1 said:
The only Lakers I have remote interest in are Ingram and Randle.

Randle would be a terrific fit next to Nurk.
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Randle would be very nice but man, imagine having to sign both Randle AND Nurk this summer. God, we really need to get rid of 2/3 of ET, Hark, and Meyers.
 
yuyuza1 said:
The only Lakers I have remote interest in are Ingram and Randle. And they ain't trading Ingram.

Randle would be a terrific fit next to Nurk.
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Id like to see Randle here, wed be a force at the frontcourt, Nurk and Randle would compliment each others game so well
 
yuyuza1 said:
Zach clarified this in his article last night:
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/...eadline-preview-cavaliers-deandre-jordan-more
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That has nothing to do with is Love + Nets pick enough for CJ.
It has everything to do with this.

Rival executives say the Cavs are acting as if they are not going to trade the Nets pick. What a dilemma, for all the LeBron-centric reasons we've discussed -- a dilemma made thornier by the team's utter, humiliating implosion.
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They don't want to part with the pick, due to LBJ leaving.
Fringe allstar + a lotto pick is not enough for CJ. He has more value than that.
 
If OKC really wants Harmless, which I doubt, a Roberson for Harkless straight up works. Basically the same contract. Roberson’s recovery time is 6-8 months but if you believe he comes back the same defensive stud he’d be MUCH more valuable moving forward than Hark.
 
Send Washington Napier and Davis for Oubre and a 2nd rounder. Both our guys are expiring anyway and Napier could hold down pg duties till Wall is back and honestly if Davis started he’d have similar numbers to jordan, you could probably resign him for half the price too.
 


Cleveland
The Cavaliers continue to engage Sacramento on George Hill, sources told Yahoo Sports, and the Kings have quietly been looking for a third team to involve. The Cavs — who have little interest in taking on the $19 million Hill is owed next season — have pushed for J.R. Smith and Iman Shumpert to be part of the package, a source said, which the Kings have no interest in. Cleveland has shown a willingness to part with its own first-round pick in other deals, but thus far trading the coveted unprotected Brooklyn Nets pick has not been seriously considered.

Boston
The Celtics shored up the frontcourt last week, agreeing to terms on a one-year, $5 million deal with Greg Monroe. While there is some concern as to the impact Monroe will have on Aron Baynes — Baynes has been a key contributor to Boston’s top-ranked defense — there is excitement internally about Monroe’s potential as an offensive anchor on the second unit. The Celtics have canvassed the league for a bench scorer — Tyreke Evans and Lou Williams have been discussed — but have shown a strong reluctance to include a first-round pick in any deal.

Teams that have discussed deals with Boston in recent weeks say the Celtics are acting like a team that is confident it can win the Eastern Conference. Boston has shopped Marcus Smart— the recent emergence of Terry Rozier has made that easier — but the asking price (a first-round pick) has been deemed by some teams with interest to be unrealistic. The Celtics believe they will have options on the buyout market, so they could sit this deadline out.

Denver
The Nuggets are a team to watch. Denver could have cap problems next season, so there is some momentum there to make a deal now. Emmanuel Mudiay is available, and Denver would love to get out of the final year of Wilson Chandler’s contract. The Nuggets have interest in Smart, but are among the teams unwilling to meet Boston’s asking price.

Oklahoma City
The Thunder — who never had any intention of trading Paul George — have canvassed the league in search of bench help. The need for a wing defender increased in the wake of Andre Roberson’s season-ending knee injury, and OKC has indeed done due diligence on Avery Bradley, Jonathan Simmons and any other wing defender it believes could be on the market. But with limited assets, the Thunder will likely wait and see if the asking price for that type of player comes down closer to the deadline, or wait and try to land someone on what could be a robust buyout market.

THE SELLERS

Atlanta
The Hawks, under the leadership of first-year GM Travis Schlenk, have made everyone available, several rival team executives said. As Atlanta rebuilds, Schlenk — who shed Dwight Howard’s contract this summer and let Paul Millsap walk — has been seeking expiring contracts and draft picks in deals. Marco Belinelli and Ersan Ilyasova, veteran, floor-spacing players, have generated interest, as has second-year swingman Taurean Prince. Dennis Schroder is available, but the three-years and $46.5 million remaining on Schroder’s deal coupled with a string of maturity issues have made interest minimal.

Orlando
Like Atlanta, the Magic are open for business. Jonathan Isaac is considered untouchable, while it would take a significant offer to pry Aaron Gordon loose. Orlando’s new management doesn’t seem interested in bringing back Elfrid Payton, whose 3-point shooting percentage has spiked to 37.3 percent this season, and Mario Hezonja has been shopped hard in recent days.

Charlotte
The Hornets continue to field calls on Kemba Walker, but no Walker deal gets done unless a team absorbs one of the handful of bad contracts on Charlotte’s roster, sources said. Another variable at play: The future of GM Rich Cho. Cho is in the final year of his contract and there have been rumblings that former Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak is a favorite among high-ranking team officials to take over next summer. If Hornets owner Michael Jordan is resolved to replace Cho, he may not sign off on dealing Charlotte’s most appealing asset.

Memphis
Relax, Marc Gasol fans — it’s unlikely the Grizzlies’ franchise center is moved this week. Memphis has fielded offers for Gasol, but Grizz officials have been underwhelmed. Tyreke Evans has been shut down in anticipation of a trade, and there is an expectation that if Memphis can’t procure a first-round pick for Evans — difficult given Evans’ contract status — it will take the best offer on the table for Evans.

THE WILD CARDS

L.A. Clippers
The Clippers are telling teams they are fine holding on to DeAndre Jordan and Lou Williams through the deadline — though you would be hard-pressed to find too many who believe them. Portland has engaged the Clippers on Jordan. Cleveland and Milwaukee have, too. A team to watch: Washington. There is some buzz that the Wizards could put together a Marcin Gortat/Kelly Oubre-headlined package that the Clippers, who have vowed not to bottom out, could find appealing.

Portland
The Blazers have shopped their bad contracts — Maurice Harkless and Meyers Leonard are there for the taking. But would Portland break up its star backcourt? The Blazers have serious cap issues, and the underwhelming play of Jusuf Nurkic has made the magic the team discovered at the end of last season elusive. Damian Lillard isn’t going anywhere, and there doesn’t seem to be an offer for C.J. McCollum that makes sense — yet. Portland has cooled on the pursuit of Jordan in recent days, but there is a sense that the Blazers could re-engage there before the deadline.

Tip-ins

  • If you want Tyson Chandler or Jared Dudley, call — Phoenix is willing to send out both of them.

  • Brooklyn will continue to be opportunistic, willing to absorb a bad contract if the right draft consideration comes with it.

  • Houston continues to dangle Ryan Anderson.

  • The Jazz are in a weird place. They have won six straight to climb back into the playoff picture, but teams that have checked in got the sense that everyone but Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell is available. Mitchell’s emergence and a reluctance to pay Rodney Hood this summer has made Hood expendable.

  • There is a growing sense that the Lakers could hold on to Julius Randle through the deadline. Teams’ awareness that the Lakers need to move Randle to clear the cap space to make a run at the top free agents this summer has diminished the market significantly.
 
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