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Jalen Smith is starting to appeal to me. Achiuwa may have a hypothetical higher ceiling, but from what I have read he is another "project" who still needs to learn how to play basketball. Smith sounds like a guy who at least has a clue.
 
TBpup said:
At #16, Portland is likely going to be in a place where most of the SF/Wings will be gone. Williams, Bey, Vassel, all should be gone by the time Portland picks. Nesmith might be available around #16 and he certainly can shoot and has some length (6'11" wingspan) but it is slim pickings after that. Lots of undersized guards, unproven bigs, or perhaps taking a flyer on someone like Maledon or Pokusevski. Achiuwa could be interesting and certainly brings some things that the Blazers don't currently have in abundance.

With Dame/CJ, Portland was at one point within 1/2 a game of the #5 Lottery spot at one point this season. Not overly confiden anyone available to the Blazers is really going to make much of a difference in the next year or two which is what this team seriously needs.....for Dame's sake.
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I've been going over several mocks every couple of days. If they're right, there'll be multiple attractive wing forward prospects available when the Blazers are up. I think it's crazy, but I've seen Williams listed as low as 20, I even saw a mock with Vassel around 17-18. Saddiq Bey is no sure thing to be off the board at 16, and Tyler Bey almost definitely will be available in the early 20s.
 
PCmor7 said:
I've been going over several mocks every couple of days. If they're right, there'll be multiple attractive wing forward prospects available when the Blazers are up. I think it's crazy, but I've seen Williams listed as low as 20, I even saw a mock with Vassel around 17-18. Saddiq Bey is no sure thing to be off the board at 16, and Tyler Bey almost definitely will be available in the early 20s.
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Tyler Bey will definitely be available, that part is for sure.
 
Tyler Bey is super-meh. Blazer fans always fan in love with mediocre player who's ceiling is an 8th man at best. I've seen a lot of fans fall for Bey...

Seems like the next Jacob Evans...
 
BonesJones said:
Tyler Bey is super-meh. Blazer fans always fan in love with mediocre player who's ceiling is an 8th man at best. I've seen a lot of fans fall for Bey...

Seems like the next Jacob Evans...
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Yeah I have to agree with you there. It’s really his offense that make him super meh. He mostly just dunk or shoot from midrange. I don’t know what you think about his defense but I think he’s pretty solid there. That being said he’s not worth our 1st round pick, but if he fall to us in the second round I wouldn’t be mad if the blazers pick him. He’s too similar to Little for me to have interest in him in the 1st round. But I would like to hear your thoughts on what make him super meh?
 
damianlillard said:
Yeah I have to agree with you there. It’s really his offense that make him super meh. He mostly just dunk or shoot from midrange. I don’t know what you think about his defense but I think he’s pretty solid there. That being said he’s not worth our 1st round pick, but if he fall to us in the second round I wouldn’t be mad if the blazers pick him. He’s too similar to Little for me to have interest in him in the 1st round. But I would like to hear your thoughts on what make him super meh?
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He's just meh because he has very low upside. Even in the 2nd, I'd rather take a lottery ticket who has a small chance of being really good (i.e. Kalaitzakis)
 
BonesJones said:
He's just meh because he has very low upside. Even in the 2nd, I'd rather take a lottery ticket who has a small chance of being really good (i.e. Kalaitzakis)
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I had no idea who you were talking about but after watching his highlights and reading his scouting report why isn’t everyone talking about him lol. We should get him in the second round. He got a neat potential as a big guard who can make plays for others. I hate to say this but he’s kinda Doncic lite. I would take a chance on him too
 
Aaron Nesmith and Saddiq Bey.

Did my research, these are the guys I want.

Deni Avidja giving me serious Hezonja vibes.
 
illmatic99 said:
Aaron Nesmith and Saddiq Bey.

Did my research, these are the guys I want.

Deni Avidja giving me serious Hezonja vibes.
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Yeah Deni give me that same vibe too. I was big on him till I started to get that vibe. Wish him the best though
 
BonesJones said:
Tyler Bey is super-meh. Blazer fans always fan in love with mediocre player who's ceiling is an 8th man at best. I've seen a lot of fans fall for Bey...

Seems like the next Jacob Evans...
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At best he's Sefalosha or Roberson.
 
illmatic99 said:
Aaron Nesmith and Saddiq Bey.

Did my research, these are the guys I want.

Deni Avidja giving me serious Hezonja vibes.
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Nesmith will likely only be the only one of those three available.
 
Cheese22 said:
At best he's Sefalosha or Roberson.
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if he shoots 35% from 3pt for his carreer, he could easily be an impact role player if his defense and rebounding are as good as advertised. that is what sefolosha did, as well as starting for the thunder in the nba finals against lebron's miami heat. i'd be pretty tickled if our #16 produced a player that impactful, or an all nba defensive stud as in pre injury roberson.
 
LayneStaley said:
Trade the pick, we don’t even play the last 2 first rounders we drafted.
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Agreed. The list of previous players selected@#16 show the long odds on an impact rotational selection and even longer odds on one ready to contribute immediately.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So you're saying unless it's a center from the former Yugoslavia, it's a wasted pick?
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nope, just that lower round picks over last twenty years, trend toward players that will be less likely to impact their selection teams' success. there will be exceptions. there may be a greater value in the pick's perceived value to another team in asset acquisition.
 
lawai'a said:
Agreed. The list of previous players selected@#16 show the long odds on an impact rotational selection and even longer odds on one ready to contribute immediately.
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Rozier, Nurkic, Vucevic, Young, Turkoglu ... that's five very good players at 16 in the past twenty years. One in four doesn't seem like bad odds for mid-round. Just gotta do your homework.
 
lawai'a said:
Agreed. The list of previous players selected@#16 show the long odds on an impact rotational selection and even longer odds on one ready to contribute immediately.
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handiman said:
Rozier, Nurkic, Vucevic, Young, Turkoglu ... that's five very good players at 16 in the past twenty years. One in four doesn't seem like bad odds for mid-round. Just gotta do your homework.
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It makes absolute 0 sense to only look at the 16th pick when doing this historical assessment. How about players drafted after 16 in recent years? All of these guys were available at #16 and would have helped us in the playoffs this year:

2019
20. Matisse Thybulle
21. Brandon Clarke
25. Little
29. Keldon Johnson
41. Eric Paschall

2018
17. Donte DiVincenzo
19. Kevin Heurter
20. Josh Okogie
24. Simons
26. Landry Shamet
34. Devonte Graham
36. Mitchell Robinson
37. Trent Jr.

2017.
19. John Collins
22. Jarrett Allen
23. OG Anunoby
27. Kyle Kuzma
30. Josh Hart
45. Dillon Brooks
51. Monte Morris

etc etc
 
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illmatic99 said:
It makes absolute 0 sense to only look at the 16th pick when doing this historical assessment.
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Sure, the odds go up if you look at everything 16th and later, but that's more hindsight than scouting. Hits and misses accumulate. I don't see that making any more sense than looking at the results of just one pick over the years.

Edit..."odds" probably is the wrong word to use there.
 
I think some of us are forgetting that we played guys like Hezonja, Gabriel, and Hoard actual minutes in the playoffs this year due to injuries and foul trouble. We effectively had 6 guys who could actually play on this roster for nearly all of the bubble games.

This team needs some serious infusion of talent, especially athletic, and CHEAP talent. A lot of it will come from Hood/Ariza/Collins returning from their absence, yes, but getting a legit 8th or 9th man who can play immediately should not be out of the realm of possibilities. When Tyler Herro and Grant Williams and Michael Porter Jr. etc etc are all contributing right NOW in the playoffs as rookies, and Gary Trent was our fourth best player in the bubble, you'd think some of us would value the draft more.
 
handiman said:
Sure, the odds go up if you look at everything 16th and later, but that's more hindsight than scouting. Hits and misses accumulate. I don't see that making any more sense than looking at the results of just one pick over the years.

Edit..."odds" probably is the wrong word to use there.
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Read this terrific analysis on the value of a draft pick here by @42N8Bounce : http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/blazers-draft-history-data.358256/

#16 is not a bad place to be, especially if you break this down to tiers. And especially in this draft where there seems to be a lot of average-above average talent, who can contribute now, but no superstars.
 
illmatic99 said:
Read this terrific analysis on the value of a draft pick here by @42N8Bounce : http://www.sportstwo.com/threads/blazers-draft-history-data.358256/

#16 is not a bad place to be, especially if you break this down to tiers. And especially in this draft where there seems to be a lot of average-above average talent, who can contribute now, but no superstars.
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Olshey sucks tho. Unless it’s a 2nd round pick you have nothing to lose on nobody has faith in him to hit on a decent 1st rounder.

This is a guy who wanted a big in the 2017 draft and graded Zach Collins over Bam when we had 3 picks littered all over the 1st round.

We are wasting our time with Olshey
 
illmatic99 said:
It makes absolute 0 sense to only look at the 16th pick when doing this historical assessment. How about players drafted after 16 in recent years? All of these guys were available at #16 and would have helped us in the playoffs this year:

2019
20. Matisse Thybulle
21. Brandon Clarke
25. Little
29. Keldon Johnson
41. Eric Paschall

2018
17. Donte DiVincenzo
19. Kevin Heurter
20. Josh Okogie
24. Simons
26. Landry Shamet
34. Devonte Graham
36. Mitchell Robinson
37. Trent Jr.

2017.
19. John Collins
22. Jarrett Allen
23. OG Anunoby
27. Kyle Kuzma
30. Josh Hart
45. Dillon Brooks
51. Monte Morris

etc etc
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sure and i said that there are going to be good players drafted later but the majority of late round pics will not be impactful. especially immediately.
 
illmatic99 said:
It makes absolute 0 sense to only look at the 16th pick when doing this historical assessment. How about players drafted after 16 in recent years? All of these guys were available at #16 and would have helped us in the playoffs this year:

2019
20. Matisse Thybulle
21. Brandon Clarke
25. Little
29. Keldon Johnson
41. Eric Paschall

2018
17. Donte DiVincenzo
19. Kevin Heurter
20. Josh Okogie
24. Simons
26. Landry Shamet
34. Devonte Graham
36. Mitchell Robinson
37. Trent Jr.

2017.
19. John Collins
22. Jarrett Allen
23. OG Anunoby
27. Kyle Kuzma
30. Josh Hart
45. Dillon Brooks
51. Monte Morris

etc etc
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handiman said:
Rozier, Nurkic, Vucevic, Young, Turkoglu ... that's five very good players at 16 in the past twenty years. One in four doesn't seem like bad odds for mid-round. Just gotta do your homework.
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no but trading those 25% odds for a known quantity by using the pic to complete a trade was my point. i never said that it wasn't valuable but situational to more immediate roster improvement. don't get me wrong i love the draft and all of the potential there for improvement. our situation MAY offer a better path by including the pick in a trade to a team who's immediacy for improvement, values the cheaper unproven talent potential over an experienced producer in the present.
 
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Suppose you had to construct a whole starting five out of players supposedly available around our pick or below (yes, I know, it wouldn't be likely to be very good, at least for a while), what would yours be? Mine:
Frontcourt:
Precious Achiuwa
Tyler Bey
Saddiq Bey

Backcourt:
Tyrell Terry
Theo Maledon

(If you like you can build a bench from projected second-rounders/undrafteds. Mine would be
Leandro Bolmaro
Paul Reed
Grant Riller)
 
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