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kjironman1 said:
Ujiri is a real good scout no question. He has been one for almost 20 years at the NBA level. He also has made some real good decisions as a GM no question. Personally i think he gets a bunch of credit and actually way too much really. He would not have beaten a healthy Golden State team last year. Even more so, if they had lost and then lost Leonard how would he look?
Raptors are doing well and they are to be commended for sure. Ujiri has had a very positive impact.
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They'd look fine, because they're still just as good now as they were before the trade, and I don't think they'd be all that much better with DeRozan. High reward, little risk.

Nobody was beating a healthy Golden State. But Ujiri took a risk to put his team in position to capitalize on the Warriors not being at full strength.

He doesn't get too much credit IMO. He landed the best undrafted rookie free agent this year in Terence Davis who is a good role player on a contender right now, and could develop into a legit starter at some point. Boucher is another undrafted gem. Norman Powell is having a terrific year and he was a second round pick. The Gasol trade was a huge win. He got a legit 3-and-D starter on a contending team with the 23rd pick a couple years ago in OG Anunoby.

All I see is phenominal, low-risk, high-value moves that was punctuated by what's perceived as a "high risk" move in going after Kawhi, however after losing a consensus top 3 player, they're still 40-15, and have all their future picks.

Ujiri is probably the best GM out there IMO.

EDIT - Forgot to mention: drafting Siakam at 27, when that was thought to be a reach at the time.
 
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I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Josh Green.
 
BonesJones said:
They'd look fine, because they're still just as good now as they were before the trade, and I don't think they'd be all that much better with DeRozan. High reward, little risk.

Nobody was beating a healthy Golden State. But Ujiri took a risk to put his team in position to capitalize on the Warriors not being at full strength.

He doesn't get too much credit IMO. He landed the best undrafted rookie free agent this year in Terence Davis who is a good role player on a contender right now, and could develop into a legit starter at some point. Boucher is another undrafted gem. Norman Powell is having a terrific year and he was a second round pick. The Gasol trade was a huge win. He got a legit 3-and-D starter on a contending team with the 23rd pick a couple years ago in OG Anunoby.

All I see is phenominal, low-risk, high-value moves that was punctuated by what's perceived as a "high risk" move in going after Kawhi, however after losing a consensus top 3 player, they're still 40-15, and have all their future picks.

Ujiri is probably the best GM out there IMO.
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I don't know? Sure solid moves all around. But if Kawhi misses that shot in the ECF and Philly wins that game then lose Leonard? It's a way different story. They don't even get a chance at Golden State let alone beat them when they are down two starters.
Again I'm not saying at all that he isn't a good even great GM. You put one very small portion of the comment in bold. Things worked out great for Toronto. They gambled and won. But when you draw short straw things tend to look much different.
I also said "Personally i think he gets a bunch of credit and actually way too much really". I never give myself credit for rolling an 11 at the crap table but i also never convince myself it was just my luck that i roll a 7 and don't come back to point.
 
BonesJones said:
I don't see why people are interested in Okoro.

A 6'6 forward who can't shoot to save his life...
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He's pretty good at everything else and has plus strength, athleticism and IQ.

Shooting is definitely a big if though.
 
JDC said:
He's pretty good at everything else and has plus strength, athleticism and IQ.

Shooting is definitely a big if though.
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Sounds a lot like Nas... let’s just develop him instead and draft a player who possesses a useful skill right away, like shooting, rebounding, perimeter defense.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Sounds a lot like Nas... let’s just develop him instead and draft a player who possesses a useful skill right away, like shooting, rebounding, perimeter defense.
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Okoro has an NBA body right now and will be a decent perimeter defender from day 1. The problem with his offense is a lot of his scoring is based on using his athleticism to get into the paint. Without developing a jump shot he'll struggle to score in the NBA or at least to get clean looks. If he slashed off ball instead of spotting up for three he would be playable right away but I don't know about that style in the modern NBA.
 
hoopsjock said:
Okoro has an NBA body right now and will be a decent perimeter defender from day 1. The problem with his offense is a lot of his scoring is based on using his athleticism to get into the paint. Without developing a jump shot he'll struggle to score in the NBA or at least to get clean looks. If he slashed off ball instead of spotting up for three he would be playable right away but I don't know about that style in the modern NBA.
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I don’t know anything about Okoro other than what you just posted here but can he be Thybulle? If so, that’s a needed skill in the NBA.
 
GhostOfPGA said:
I don’t know anything about Okoro other than what you just posted here but can he be Thybulle? If so, that’s a needed skill in the NBA.
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Yeah that's probably fair, except the way they defend is different. Okoro is much more physically imposing and uses his athleticism more. Thybulle I'd say is more of a finesse defender who uses great positioning and awareness. Both probably get to the same place at the end of the day though.
 
Sounds like Thybulle is gonna be defending 1-3 and Okoro more 3-4
 
GhostOfPGA said:
Sounds like Thybulle is gonna be defending 1-3 and Okoro more 3-4
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I would say 2-4 and slower/bigger pg's.

Also has the strength to potentially anchor vs 5's in late clock switch situations.
 
Who's the guy with genius BBall IQ? I want that guy. They transcend physical limitations more than the reverse.
 
How is Deni Avdija different from Omri Casspi?

Getting into this draft stuff more now and want to learn about these guys.
 
illmatic99 said:
How is Deni Avdija different from Omri Casspi?

Getting into this draft stuff more now and want to learn about these guys.
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It's so hard to tell with some of these foreign players because sometimes their teams don't play them because they know they will be leaving or they don't want to play a older teenager in front of professional veterans. Avdija has some handle, the ability to score, but here I look at his decision making and passing ability in just a short clip. He always seems to have his head up and anticipates players being open. That is a start. He's not an athletic freak so making plays using fundementals and BBIQ.

 
illmatic99 said:
How is Deni Avdija different from Omri Casspi?

Getting into this draft stuff more now and want to learn about these guys.
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Casspi is more of a shooter only.

Avdija is more of a playmaker both with ball handling and passing.

Both are at a bit of a disadvantage athletically so I'm not sure about Avdija defensively but hopefully being a smart player makes up for it.
 
TBpup said:
It's so hard to tell with some of these foreign players because sometimes their teams don't play them because they know they will be leaving or they don't want to play a older teenager in front of professional veterans. Avdija has some handle, the ability to score, but here I look at his decision making and passing ability in just a short clip. He always seems to have his head up and anticipates players being open. That is a start. He's not an athletic freak so making plays using fundementals and BBIQ.

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Nice vision. That handle looks shaky though.
 
I hate the idea of trading lottery picks, but this might be the year to do it. Woof, just started reading up on some of these players this weekend, and there's a whole lot of nothing there.

I wish we had more tradeable contracts to add as salary filler with the pick. Ariza will be the only one. This deadline was so poorly managed to set us up for a good summer.
 
^ I watched a few minutes of a couple Washington games. I could hardly pick out anyone that looked worthy of a DI roster spot, let alone a NBA prospect. And yet, this draft is so bad, they have several top prospects.
 
I'm convinced that this draft lacks star power but that it's pretty deep quality wise.

Almost every player has major flaws but there are certain guys that if they fix their flaw would be phenomenal like if Edwards or Okoro somehow became decent shooters.
 
Obi.

Toppin.

With the likelihood of a much higher pick than anticipated, Obi is my plan A with Onyeka as my plan B.

The tiers blur after the top-10, you can go in a million different directions with this draft.
 
I'm curious what folks here think of Bey (Villanova) and Vassell (FSU)?
 
Fez Forthright said:
Obi.

Toppin.

With the likelihood of a much higher pick than anticipated, Obi is my plan A with Onyeka as my plan B.

The tiers blur after the top-10, you can go in a million different directions with this draft.
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These are my initial favorites as well. Can't shake that Amare comp for Toppin @hoopsjock. Dude even runs like him. But we should remember he's only 3 months younger than our guy Zach Collins and plays the same position.
 
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illmatic99 said:
These are my initial favorites as well. Can't shake that Amare comp for Toppin @hoopsjock. Dude even runs like him. But we should remember he's only 3 months younger than our guy Zach Collins and plays the same position.
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ALWAYS draft the best player available. Don't worry about positions unless there are two players who are rated equally.
 
tester551 said:
ALWAYS draft the best player available. Don't worry about positions unless there are two players who are rated equally.
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Oh I agree unequivocally with that. Was pointing more at how old Toppin is, relative to other bigs, especially one on our roster.
 
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