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https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/october-16-2024

"Two Fox News Channel interviews bracketed today: one this morning with Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump in front of an audience of hand-picked Republican women in Georgia, the other by Democratic presidential candidate Vice President Kamala Harris with host Bret Baier. Together, the two were a performance of dominance.

FNC billed Trump’s so-called town hall as a chance for female voters, a demographic that is swinging heavily to Harris, to ask Trump about issues they care about. But Hadas Gold and Liam Reilly of CNN reported that FNC had packed the audience with Trump supporters. The first question came from the president of the Fulton County Republican Women, though she was not identified as such. FNC then edited the broadcast to cut out remarks in which the attendees expressed support for Trump.

It seems unlikely that Trump attracted any new voters by speaking to an audience of loyalists audibly cheering him on.

After Trump refused to debate her again, Harris voluntarily moved into his right-wing territory, agreeing to an interview with FNC host Bret Baier. In that interview, Baier reframed right-wing talking points as questions, essentially giving Trump a second shot at a debate. Baier kept talking over the vice president’s attempts to answer—even putting out a hand to interrupt her—in a stark contrast to FNC’s deference to Trump. Harris asked him to let her reply, and then answered his questions, sometimes testily, usually turning them into opportunities to contrast her own candidacy and record with Trump’s.

Control of the interview changed abruptly when Harris called out Trump for referring to the “enemy within” and talking about using the American military against those he considers enemies. Baier used that opportunity to show a clip of Trump saying he wasn’t threatening anyone, but the clip was edited to remove his threats against “sick,” “evil,” “dangerous” “Marxists and communists and fascists” including Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA) and “the Pelosis”—presumably former House speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and her husband, who was attacked in 2022 by a man with a hammer who wanted to force Nancy Pelosi to renounce the investigation into the 2016 Trump campaign’s ties to Russia..

Harris had had enough propaganda.

“Bret, I'm sorry, and with all due respect, that clip was not what he has been saying about the enemy within that he has repeated when he’s speaking about the American people. That's not what you just showed…. You and I both know that he’s talked about turning the American military on the American people. He has talked about going after people who are engaged in peaceful protest. He has talked about locking people up because they disagree with him. This is a democracy. And in a democracy, the president of the United States in the United States of America should be… able to handle criticism without saying he’d lock people up for doing it. And this is what is at stake, which is why you have someone like the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff saying what Mark Milley has said about Donald Trump being a threat to the United States of America.”

Simply by going on the right-wing network, Harris was demonstrating dominance. Then, by answering as thoroughly as she did, she undercut the right-wing narrative that she is stupid and inarticulate. By calling out the FNC for deliberately misleading its viewers, she took command. Baier, rather than Harris, was the one doing the post-interview spinning.

Writer Peter Wehner, who worked for presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush, wrote: “Bret Baier has rarely looked as bad (or tendentious) as he did in his interview with Kamala Harris. On the flip side, this was one of her best interviews. She dominated Bret. All in all it was quite a bad day for MAGA world's most important media outlet.”"
 
On his own home turf... "In my home! Where my wife sleeps! Where my children come and play with their toys! In my home!" to quote Michael Corlone.

I wasn't sure she'd do anything with that opportunity, but it really feels like one of those relentless ground game drives where you start at your own 20 and just keep getting first downs until you're at their 10 yard line.
 
AmirIcon said:
I seem to remember a LOT of excuses.
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Hmm. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. I didn't care. He was better than Trump. And now Kamala is better than Trump. And one of the reasons is that she's not old as dirt.

There was no as good but "not old as dirt" option to Biden. Just, worse and also old as dirt.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Hmm. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. I didn't care. He was better than Trump. And now Kamala is better than Trump. And one of the reasons is that she's not old as dirt.

There was no as good but "not old as dirt" option to Biden. Just, worse and also old as dirt.
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This line of thinking is why both parties have us by the balls. We should all vote third party whether we like that candidate or not. Both parties barely differentiate themselves on policy on economics.
 
AmirIcon said:
This line of thinking is why both parties have us by the balls. We should all vote third party whether we like that candidate or not. Both parties barely differentiate themselves on policy on economics.
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Bullshit. Bull fucking shit.

This is not like any other election before Trump. Trump is not in a party. He's worse than both parties combined. If he were running as a Democratic I'd be voting Republican.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Bullshit. Bull fucking shit.

This is not like any other election before Trump. Trump is not in a party. He's worse than both parties combined. If he were running as a Democratic I'd be voting Republican.
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Meh. I'm not a fan but the it's funny seeing libs say he's going to ruin the world when we have a Democratic administration enabling a full on genocide and famine.

The moral authority kind of gets lost in all the blood.

Miss me with that "Joe Biden is a kind man" nonsense.
 
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AmirIcon said:
Meh. I'm not a fan but the it's funny seeing libs say he's going to ruin the world when we have a Democratic administration enabling a full on genocide and famine.

The moral authority kind of gets lost in all the blood.

Miss me with that "Joe Biden is a kind man" nonsense.
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I didn't say he's going to ruin the world. I said he's going to destroy America. He almost did it last time he was in power.

I also didn't say Joe Biden is a kind man.

You are attributing statements to my position that I haven't made. The fact that you have to do that leads me to believe that you understand how tedious your position is and just don't want to admit it.

And nobody gives a shit about Biden. They never have. He's a party tool. That's it.

I agree with you that the parties are bad. And they can result in a horrible evil taking control of this country.

Trump is that horrible evil. We must defeat him before we can turn our attention back to the parties. And then we must resolve the issue before the next Trump arises.
 
THE HCP said:
Cracks me up is Trump supporters really think we WANTED Biden to be president…… that’s not how it was FAMS! #AnybodyButTrump
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100%. Anybody who thinks Biden was popular at all is absolutely fooling themselves. It's almost dishonest at this point. The only reason Biden ever had a chance was because Trump was so unpopular.
 
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