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SlyPokerDog said:
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They literally sentenced Douglas Mackey to prison time for making joke tweets just like this during the 2016 election.

He was a conservative though so it’s ok. It’s not election interference when the left does it.
 
jonnyboy said:
They literally sentenced Douglas Mackey to prison time for making joke tweets just like this during the 2016 election.

He was a conservative though so it’s ok. It’s not election interference when the left does it.
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He was convicted of conspiracy. It was more than one tweet, and he went to some trouble to make the tweets look real.

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jonnyboy said:
They literally sentenced Douglas Mackey to prison time for making joke tweets just like this during the 2016 election.

He was a conservative though so it’s ok. It’s not election interference when the left does it.
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You're right, totally the same.

Election interference and attempted voter suppression
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In 2016, Mackey promoted internet memes claiming that it was possible to vote for Hillary Clinton through text messages; the memes were targeted at Black and Latino voters, and were designed to look like official Clinton campaign ads, reusing her campaign logo, slogans, and fine print.[11] One of the memes said "Avoid the Line. Vote from Home."[5] At least 4,900 people tried to vote by texting the number shown in the memes.[4] Around the time Mackey promoted these memes, he discussed ways to "limit black turnout" and described black voters as "gullible".[5][12]

 
BigGameDamian said:
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“I know the media is gonna call me crazy.”

  • Drove 100 down McKnight Road in Pittsburgh, which has a 45 MPH speed limit

• Trashed a condo and threw furniture out a window 14th floor window, which almost hit some people, notably a child

• Killed a home aquarium full of piranhas and refused to pay the man who installed the tank

• Refused to play week 17 for the Steelers

• Dyed his mustache blonde

• Refused to pay a chef because he thought he threatened him by placing a fish head in the freezer (the fish head was saved to make a soup)

• Farted on a doctor

• Demanded a trade from the Steelers

• Became "Mr. Big Chest"

• Threw a fit over Juju winning team MVP and trashed him on social media

• (Allegedly) nixed a trade that would've sent him to the Bills

• Showed up to Raiders training camp in a hot air balloon

• Held out and refused to show up to training camp because the NFL would not approve his helmet because it was too old for their safety standards

• Froze his feet

• Tried to paint over his old helmet, hoping no one would notice I guess

• Acquired a newer version of the same model of helmet, which the NFL refused to let him use

• Picked out a new helmet and finally showed up to the Raiders

• Got fined by the Raiders for not attending camp

• Tweeted the fines

• Tried to fight Mike Mayock, called him a cracker, had to be held back by Vontaze Burfict, then punted a football down the practice field and said "fine me for that"

• Got fined for that

• Released a video where he used audio of Jon Gruden, who didn't know he was being recorded, which is illegal in California (full disclosure, Gruden has said he gave permission, but the generally accepted theory is that he said that in the hope that it would help get him to show up to the facility and not alienate him)

• Demanded a release from the Raiders

• Was released

• "GRANDMA I’M FREEEEEE! FLY LIKE A FREEEEE!"

• Made a lot of crazy tweets saying stuff like 'Devil is a lie', a proverb about burning down a village... he made a lot of crazy tweets around this time is the point here

• Liked a tweet about Mayock getting raped in the ass

• Signed with the Patriots

• Moved in with Tom Brady

• The sexual assault allegations came out (the one where he's getting sued)

• The sexual harassment allegations came out (the one where he's not getting sued)

• Threatened the woman not suing him in a group text that included his lawyer and had a picture of her kids in the text

• Got released by the Patriots after one week

• Went off on a tweet storm and said a lot of crazy shit about a lot of people, and was supportive of people sending threats to the writer of the article detailing the sexual harassment allegations

• Said he was done with the NFL

• Went back to college via online classes

• Tried to outsource his homework to Twitter

• Wants to come back to the NFL

• Filed several grievances to try and get more than $40 million from the Raider's and Patriots

• Was ordered to show up for a deposition regarding trashing the condo

• Was accused of "reprehensible behavior" during the deposition (which is it's own insane thread, btw), which included, but was not limited too:

  1. "Arrived nearly 30 minutes late to the deposition."

  2. “[C]hanted, over and over, as if a mantra, a narrative of his own warped concept of the proceeding”.

  3. “Acting as if he was above the rule of law, [Brown] proceeded to make a mockery of the deposition process. [Brown’s] antics were so unreasonable that barely twenty [20] minutes into the deposition, his counsel asked for a break [so] he could speak with [Brown] about his demeanor.

  4. “After approximately 20-30 minutes, [Brown] required another break. When the deposition resumed [Brown] increased his level of obstructive behavior. At one point, [Brown] refused to answer any questions, instead saying “next question” no less than 10 times.”

  5. “Soon thereafter, [Brown] started announcing a countdown, starting at ‘five (5) minutes,’ and counting down the minutes thereafter. Before noon [Brown] left the conference room.”
• Said that the Patriots have to pay him anyway, so they might as well let him play

• Tweeted a couple of bizarre tweets about the Raiders using him for HBO ratings and the Patriots trying to steal his stuff and kept using this weird chicken based metaphor

• Tried out for the Saints and brought an entourage and film crew to shoot a music video with him when specifically told not to do that

• Called out Robert Kraft for his rub and tug massage session in Florida

• Starting training for a boxing match with Logan Paul

• Tweeted "No more white woman 2020"

• The attorney representing him in the suit involving the condo quit

• Used a bunch of slurs and profane language towards cops in an Instagram video he posted

• A police youth football league cut ties with him and returned a donation after the release of the video saying there was a "irreparable rift" between the department and AB

• Threw a bag of gummy candy dicks at the cops in a video he posted

• Got dropped by his agent

• Was involved in a disputed with movers at his home where he allegedly threw rocks at the movers and moving vans. He is currently being investigated for battery by the police.

• His trainer was arrested and he is still a suspect in the battery case.

• Warrant issued for the arrest of AB.

• AB turns himself in to Broward Country Jail wearing this suit

• Rumors spread about AB signing with Tampa or Seattle

• AB announces his retirement (for what I believe is the third time, it's hard to find a good record of the rest of them)

• Two days later AB wants to play again and is asking for the league to wrap up it's investigation
 
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SlyPokerDog said:


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The problem I see here is this is one of those laws like the Logan Act that's been on the books for years but no one will enforce because MAGA will cry lawfare and the optics will look bad.

It's a law. There's a reason it's a law. There's a good reason it's a law, especially now when the wealthy from around the world have realized Americans are so afraid of being called communists or socialists that no regulations are kept as a check and balance on capitalism or corporate greed, which makes everything a commodity that can be bought, including legislators and judges. But this is a law that no one has the stomach to enforce and I fully expect to see a billionaire literally buying votes in the next election cycle with no consequences.
 
When we set up voter registration, I baked brownies, idea being, register, get a brownie. I know you can't give anything of value but registrars have given tokens. I was told better save brownies for our campaign volunteers just to avoid any potential problems. Like some MAGA asshole saying we are bribing voters.
 
MickZagger said:
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We found a toad on our outdoor furniture today while cleaning it out. Next to it we found feces that looked to be from a rat or some rodent. So we were perplexed.

I googled what toad shit looks like and it’s impressive how big a small toad can excrement. Toad turds are massive.

Someone give me microphone and rally. I got this.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
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Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters

Hugo Lowell: “Elon Musk says on stage at a town hall that America PAC will be awarding $1 million every day until the election to a registered Pennsylvania voter who has signed his petition. Musk awarded the first $1 million this evening to someone at the town hall, bringing the guy onto the stage and handing him a jumbo check, lotto-style. Musk is essentially incentivizing likely Trump voters in PA to register to vote: Petition is to support for 1A and 2A, so basically R voters. But they also have to be registered to vote, so if they weren’t already, they would do it now.”

Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)

See also the DOJ Election Crimes Manual at 44: “The bribe may be anything having monetary value, including cash, liquor, lottery chances, and welfare benefits such as food stamps. Garcia, 719 F.2d at 102. However, offering free rides to the polls or providing employees paid leave while they vote are not prohibited. United States v. Lewin, 467 F.2d 1132, 1136 (7th Cir.
1972). Such things are given to make it easier for people to vote, not to induce them to do so. This distinction is important. For an offer or a payment to violate Section 10307(c), it must have been intended to induce or reward the voter for engaging in one or more acts necessary to cast a ballot.… Moreover, payments made for some purpose other than to induce
or reward voting activity, such as remuneration for campaign work, do not violate this statute. See United States v. Canales 744 F.2d 413, 423 (5th Cir. 1984) (upholding conviction because jury justified in inferring that payments were for voting, not campaign work). Similarly, Section 10307(c) does not apply to payments made to signature-gatherers for voter registrations such individuals may obtain. However, such payments become actionable under Section 10307(c) if they are shared with the person being registered.” (Emphases added.)

I’d like to hear if there’s anyone who thinks this is not a clear case of a violation.

UPDATE: Musk said at his rally that one had to be a petition signer to be eligible for the $1 million prize. (“So– we really want to try to get as many people as possible to sign this petition. So. I have a surprise for you [crowd cheers] which is that we’re going to be awarding a million dollars, randomly, to people who have signed the signed the petition every day from now until the election.”) I’ve also learned that to get the $100 bounty one also must be a petition signer. And who can sign the petitions? Only registered voters in swing states, which is what makes it illegal. See the screen shots of the offers below:

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https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397
 
crandc said:
Because Trump has nothing to run on. Vote Trump to put billionaire in charge isn't winning message.
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This is the answer. And musk is only the most vocal billionaire. This is how most of them feel. Most of them support this kind of messaging.

The wealthy want Trump because they want policy that allows them to take more from the middle class and poor.

But that's just human nature.

We need to fix the system or it won't change. It'll just keep getting worse.
 
Phatguysrule said:
This is the answer. And musk is only the most vocal billionaire. This is how most of them feel. Most of them support this kind of messaging.

The wealthy want Trump because they want policy that allows them to take more from the middle class and poor.

But that's just human nature.

We need to fix the system or it won't change. It'll just keep getting worse.
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I don't believe it is human nature.

I believe it's the nature of some humans. I believe some humans practice it because they fear others will take advantage if they don't.

I can't remember a single second in my life ever being jealous or upset or angry that someone else had more than me so long as I had enough to be clothed and housed and eat and do what I could to take care of those I was responsible for. I think I personally know a lot more people who think like me than think like Elon Musk.
 
PCmor7 said:
I don't believe it is human nature.

I believe it's the nature of some humans. I believe some humans practice it because they fear others will take advantage if they don't.

I can't remember a single second in my life ever being jealous or upset or angry that someone else had more than me so long as I had enough to be clothed and housed and eat and do what I could to take care of those I was responsible for. I think I personally know a lot more people who think like me than think like Elon Musk.
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Yeah I guess that's my point. There are people like this. If we have laws that allow it there will be people who take advantage.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters

Hugo Lowell: “Elon Musk says on stage at a town hall that America PAC will be awarding $1 million every day until the election to a registered Pennsylvania voter who has signed his petition. Musk awarded the first $1 million this evening to someone at the town hall, bringing the guy onto the stage and handing him a jumbo check, lotto-style. Musk is essentially incentivizing likely Trump voters in PA to register to vote: Petition is to support for 1A and 2A, so basically R voters. But they also have to be registered to vote, so if they weren’t already, they would do it now.”

Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)

See also the DOJ Election Crimes Manual at 44: “The bribe may be anything having monetary value, including cash, liquor, lottery chances, and welfare benefits such as food stamps. Garcia, 719 F.2d at 102. However, offering free rides to the polls or providing employees paid leave while they vote are not prohibited. United States v. Lewin, 467 F.2d 1132, 1136 (7th Cir.
1972). Such things are given to make it easier for people to vote, not to induce them to do so. This distinction is important. For an offer or a payment to violate Section 10307(c), it must have been intended to induce or reward the voter for engaging in one or more acts necessary to cast a ballot.… Moreover, payments made for some purpose other than to induce
or reward voting activity, such as remuneration for campaign work, do not violate this statute. See United States v. Canales 744 F.2d 413, 423 (5th Cir. 1984) (upholding conviction because jury justified in inferring that payments were for voting, not campaign work). Similarly, Section 10307(c) does not apply to payments made to signature-gatherers for voter registrations such individuals may obtain. However, such payments become actionable under Section 10307(c) if they are shared with the person being registered.” (Emphases added.)

I’d like to hear if there’s anyone who thinks this is not a clear case of a violation.

UPDATE: Musk said at his rally that one had to be a petition signer to be eligible for the $1 million prize. (“So– we really want to try to get as many people as possible to sign this petition. So. I have a surprise for you [crowd cheers] which is that we’re going to be awarding a million dollars, randomly, to people who have signed the signed the petition every day from now until the election.”) I’ve also learned that to get the $100 bounty one also must be a petition signer. And who can sign the petitions? Only registered voters in swing states, which is what makes it illegal. See the screen shots of the offers below:

Screenshot-2024-10-19-at-7.39.39%E2%80%AFPM-1024x677.jpg

Screenshot-2024-10-19-at-7.45.24%E2%80%AFPM25-1024x863.jpg

https://electionlawblog.org/?p=146397
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Such an extreme stretch to try and claim he is ‘paying people to vote for Trump’. You literally have to make three unprovable assertions before you can even arrive at that conclusion.

There is absolutely nothing here. Less than nothing. And like most of these schizophrenic legal theories crazy liberals scream at the walls and the trees about, nothing will come of it
 
jonnyboy said:
Such an extreme stretch to try and claim he is ‘paying people to vote for Trump’. You literally have to make three unprovable assertions before you can even arrive at that conclusion.

There is absolutely nothing here. Less than nothing. And like most of these schizophrenic legal theories crazy liberals scream at the walls and the trees about, nothing will come of it
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He is paying people to register to vote. He supports Trump. The people he pays will likely vote for Trump.
 
Facing Numerous Federal Probes, Elon Musk Spends Millions to Help Elect Trump & Gut Gov't Regulation

 
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