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AmirIcon said:
How are Biden and Harris to the right of Reagan and both Bush imbeciles? They had red lines and threatened to pull funding.

That got it done. Not too difficult unless you're compromised.
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Yeah, I wish the Biden Administration would have done more. Let Netanyahu know that, dude you are our ally but we can't condone the killing of innocents...and yeah threaten to pull funding and then do it.

Biden came out and try to say it wasn't genocide, that it was Israel fighting back against Hamas who attacked them. They were, but the bombs that were killing Hamas was also killing innocents. That's the shitty thing about wars, it's not just soldiers that die. And, at some point if you don't recognize that you are continuing to kill innocents and aren't trying to minimize those deaths, there is another level of responsibility and blame to be had there. Netanyahu is crazy and doesn't care who he kills.

Does Biden or Harris want that, no. Have they done enough to do what's right over there, no.
 
PCmor7 said:
I think you have to consider with whom you are dealing, too. Reagan and the Bushes weren't dealing with Netanyahu. Netanyahu's a lot like Trump.
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Unfortunately so.

For one, trying desperately to hold on to power and doing what he must to succeed in that matter. Sounds familiar
 
Everything Beagle said:
Does it require a real 2/3 vote or 2/3 because of the imminently repeal-able filibuster?
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It sounds like even if they somehow bypassed the 2/3 vote, 3/4 of the states (38) would have to ratify it. They don't have that support.
 
GoZers said:
There were hundreds of “this should be the end”.
Mocking disabled
Cats and Dogs
Epsteins BFF
Blah blah
Nothing matters.
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People vote for him because they think he’s anti establishment. Usually people who feel all their problems are because of the damn gubment.

Even though they drive a $80k truck but complain that eggs are too expensive.

The fact that he says and does things that normal politicians would never do makes them like what he does even more.

At least that’s my little understanding of MAGA
 
Phatguysrule said:
Nothing matters if we don't give people anything to vote for.
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I don’t get this. Nothing to vote for? Like helping new homeowners? Or child care? Or middle class tax cuts? Tax deductions for starting new businesses? This is all so stupid. She spoke more about her plans than cats and dogs Trump.
 
GoZers said:
I don’t get this. Nothing to vote for? Like helping new homeowners? Or child care? Or middle class tax cuts? Tax deductions for starting new businesses? This is all so stupid. She spoke more about her plans than cats and dogs Trump.
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She was a horrible candidate who changed her position every time it benefited her.

Nobody believed a damn thing she said.
 
Phatguysrule said:
She was a horrible candidate who changed her position every time it benefited her.

Nobody believed a damn thing she said.
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Fine. But it’s absurd to claim that she was a bad candidate and flip flopped or whatever and that’s why she lost. It is irrelevant. She lost to Epsteins best friend who can’t string together one coherent sentence without a teleprompter and is a convicted felon. Oh yeah and who buried his ex wife on the fucking 13th hole.
 
GoZers said:
Fine. But it’s absurd to claim that she was a bad candidate and flip flopped or whatever and that’s why she lost. It is irrelevant. She lost to Epsteins best friend who can’t string together one coherent sentence without a teleprompter and is a convicted felon. Oh yeah and who buried his ex wife on the fucking 13th hole.
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She lost because people didn't have faith in her and didn't show up to vote. They didn't pick Trump over her. They didn't pick anyone.

The Dems didn't give people a reason to show up to vote. Too many people didn't like either of them.

The Dems can get pissed off at that all they want. But if they don't fix it they're going to keep having the same problem.

They need to stop segregating people and start helping people. Demonizing gun owners. Demonizing the wealthy. Demonizing men (man or bear, etc). Ignoring the working class.

They didn't get a good message out, and they didn't have a good messenger. They failed us.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
She lost because people didn't have faith in her and didn't show up to vote. They didn't pick Trump over her. They didn't pick anyone.

The Dems didn't give people a reason to show up to vote. Too many people didn't like either of them.

The Dems can get pissed off at that all they want. But if they don't fix it they're going to keep having the same problem.

They need to stop segregating people and start helping people. Demonizing gun owners. Demonizing the wealthy. Demonizing men (man or bear, etc). Ignoring the working class.

They didn't get a good message out, and they didn't have a good messenger. They failed.
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There are two sets of expectations. Dems have to have their ducks in a row and near perfect. Republicans can claim people are eating pets. Got it.
 
Phatguysrule said:
She lost because people didn't have faith in her and didn't show up to vote. They didn't pick Trump over her. They didn't pick anyone.

The Dems didn't give people a reason to show up to vote. Too many people didn't like either of them.

The Dems can get pissed off at that all they want. But if they don't fix it they're going to keep having the same problem.

They need to stop segregating people and start helping people. Demonizing gun owners. Demonizing the wealthy. Demonizing men (man or bear, etc). Ignoring the working class.

They didn't get a good message out, and they didn't have a good messenger. They failed us.
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How many times did Kamala and Walz say they HAD guns and are pro 2nd amendment? This is like bizzaroland
 
GoZers said:
How many times did Kamala and Walz say they HAD guns and are pro 2nd amendment? This is like bizzaroland
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Nobody trusted Kamala Harris. How many times do I have to say it? That was an example of ever changing positions. She was going to be strict on guns until she wasn't.
 
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GoZers said:
There are two sets of expectations. Dems have to have their ducks in a row and near perfect. Republicans can claim people are eating pets. Got it.
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Or they can just keep losing. They can get pissed off and quit.

I'm telling you the reality of the situation. They keep doing what they've been doing they're going to get their ass handed to them.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Nobody trusted Kamala Harris. How many times are have to say it? That was an example of ever changing positions. She was going to be strict on guns until she wasn't.
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I thought you could be a gun owner and also make sensible gun laws. Or we just let it be mayhem forever. She can’t win. Pro 2nd amendment gun owner and she apparently is demonizing gun owners. It’s dumb.
 
Chris Craig said:
Yeah, people would burn this country down before they let him become dictator or king.
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That's exactly what he wants. A chance to declare martial law, call out the troops, shoot some protesters, put down the rebellion.

Then come the statues of himself.

barfo
 
GoZers said:
I thought you could be a gun owner and also make sensible gun laws. Or we just let it be mayhem forever. She can’t win. Pro 2nd amendment gun owner and she apparently is demonizing gun owners. It’s dumb.
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We have sensible gun laws. But that's beside the point.

She started talking about "assault weapons" bans right away (which is about the dumbest shit you can imagine if you know anything about guns), which turned off a ton of people and they stopped immediately. Then the next week it was all about "We love the 2nd amendment!"

It was absolutely hollow and transparent. I didn't point it out because I wanted her to win over Trump. But people saw it.
 
Phatguysrule said:
No, something like 18 million people who voted last time didn't come out to vote this time. They didn't trust either of them. That's why Kamala lost.
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More people voted for Trump because people don't trust either of them? How does that make logical sense?

barfo
 
barfo said:
More people voted for Trump because people don't trust either of them? How does that make logical sense?

barfo
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Trump didn't get more votes. He got about the same number of votes as last time.

People stopped being afraid of Trump and weren't interested in voting for Kamala. So tens of millions fewer showed up than last time.

Trump's base showed up the same way they did last time. He replaced some of the ones who didn't care about him with what appears to me to be macho minorities.

Kamala simply didn't impress as many people as were simply afraid of Trump in 2020.
 
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