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Props to the nine of you who said trump would win!
I didnt see it coming at all.
 
The left should just "buy" Trump.

He's not an ideologue. He's in this for the grift, not the message or policies.

Just pay the guy off to put in liberal judges and not go along with the right-wing agenda. Other than that, leave him alone. SCOTUS has made gifts for political moves legal.

Let the guy get rich off the office while you regroup

That's better than the Dems moving right, IMO. The right is just pulling the center further to the right and saying, "Look! They're leftists!" because the 50-yard line looks really far away from the 10 instead of the 35 while it hasn't moved an inch. You don't want to be competing for the least-Trumpiest Trumpers and letting progressives out in the cursed earth -- progressives who'll be really loyal if you give them something but won't vote if you give them nothing.

And don't worry about Elon. He loves his money. He's not going to pay Trump billions of dollars for the Republican agenda. He's not in it for that, either. He's in this thing for the attention.

So break Uncle Soros' piggy bank open and that of all the other smart corporate elites in the country that realize, sure, less regulation leads to more profit, but the total anarchy that stands to come from an unrestrained Trump right-wing presidency doesn't make the the stable environment big business needs to thrive.
 
PCmor7 said:
The left should just "buy" Trump.

He's not an ideologue. He's in this for the grift, not the message or policies.

Just pay the guy off to put in liberal judges and not go along with the right-wing agenda. Other than that, leave him alone. SCOTUS has made gifts for political moves legal.

Let the guy get rich off the office while you regroup

That's better than the Dems moving right, IMO. The right is just pulling the center further to the right and saying, "Look! They're leftists!" because the 50-yard line looks really far away from the 10 instead of the 35 while it hasn't moved an inch. You don't want to be competing for the least-Trumpiest Trumpers and letting progressives out in the cursed earth -- progressives who'll be really loyal if you give them something but won't vote if you give them nothing.

And don't worry about Elon. He loves his money. He's not going to pay Trump billions of dollars for the Republican agenda. He's not in it for that, either. He's in this thing for the attention.

So break Uncle Soros' piggy bank open and that of all the other smart corporate elites in the country that realize, sure, less regulation leads to more profit, but the total anarchy that stands to come from an unrestrained Trump right-wing presidency doesn't make the the stable environment big business needs to thrive.
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Actually...that might work. Unfortunately the govt won't try it though.
 
tlongII said:
Actually...that might work. Unfortunately the govt won't try it though.
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Who said the government has to try it? You just need party leaders and the people working in those backrooms to pitch it.

Rules don't really apply now. Rules have been struck down. Everything goes. It's like ancient Greece and Rome where you just pay -- literally -- to hold power.
 
PCmor7 said:
Who said the government has to try it? You just need party leaders and the people working in those backrooms to pitch it.

Rules don't really apply now. Rules have been struck down. Everything goes. It's like ancient Greece and Rome where you just pay -- literally -- to hold power.
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Love Bernie.

I was just on another board arguing something along these lines about national healthcare. They took the position that they weren't opposed to a national healthcare program but were opposed to people that didn't pay into the system getting as good of care as people that could pay more.

Everyone needs healthcare, though, rich and poor. And, unless you're saying you're going to turn away people who can only get their care in the emergency room when the get really sick because they have no coverage, we all end up paying for everybody. So the best way is to band together in one big group that we can negotiate fair prices for good care for all of us like they do in a lot of other developed nations.

Plus, it's more efficient. Letting people go to a general practitioner once or twice a year allows health to be monitored so problems can be addressed before they become most costly, and that drives down costs across the board.

But my mind just gets boggled by how easily Americans get so caught up in their neighbors maybe getting something a little more or a little better, and them somehow being the ultimate arbiter of what is fair and right and what isn't. I've never once looked at my neighbors and coveted what they had or cursed them for getting a break in life. We hate and are jealous of each other in this country for such petty stuff, all mistrustful of the next person down the street, and that gets used against us.
 
PCmor7 said:
Love Bernie.

I was just on another board arguing something along these lines about national healthcare. They took the position that they weren't opposed to a national healthcare program but were opposed to people that didn't pay into the system getting as good of care as people that could pay more.

Everyone needs healthcare, though, rich and poor. And, unless you're saying you're going to turn away people who can only get their care in the emergency room when the get really sick because they have no coverage, we all end up paying for everybody. So the best way is to band together in one big group that we can negotiate fair prices for good care for all of us like they do in a lot of other developed nations.

Plus, it's more efficient. Letting people go to a general practitioner once or twice a year allows health to be monitored so problems can be addressed before they become most costly, and that drives down costs across the board.

But my mind just gets boggled by how easily Americans get so caught up in their neighbors maybe getting something a little more or a little better, and them somehow being the ultimate arbiter of what is fair and right and what isn't. I've never once looked at my neighbors and coveted what they had or cursed them for getting a break in life. We hate and are jealous of each other in this country for such petty stuff, all mistrustful of the next person down the street, and that gets used against us.
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If we were truly interested in "making America great again, our leaders (and every responsible parent) would push the point ad nauseum that "nobody ever said life was fair". That was one of the earliest lessons I was ever taught, and so were my contemporaries. Trump has flooded the zone for the past 8 years about how "unfair" the world was to him. Now his followers are singing the same tune. They want it all handed to them, like it was to their "great" leader. 70 million Americans made it very clear just how selfish they are. I hope I'm still alive 4 years from now, so I can watch them sift through the wreckage of their own making. Bunch a gullible lemmings.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
If we were truly interested in "making America great again, our leaders (and every responsible parent) would push the point ad nauseum that "nobody ever said life was fair". That was one of the earliest lessons I was ever taught, and so were my contemporaries. Trump has flooded the zone for the past 8 years about how "unfair" the world was to him. Now his followers are singing the same tune. They want it all handed to them, like it was to their "great" leader. 70 million Americans made it very clear just how selfish they are. I hope I'm still alive 4 years from now, so I can watch them sift through the wreckage of their own making. Bunch a gullible lemmings.
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You know what? I never thought life was fair, but I always was willing to pay it ahead and try to make it fair or fairer for who came next. It was at least about having a fair playing field. It needn't be completely equal, because nothing is, but everyone should at least have a shot, and even those that fail shouldn't be left behind completely.

I just see too much of this "F you, I've got mine" for my tastes.
 
PCmor7 said:
The left should just "buy" Trump.

He's not an ideologue. He's in this for the grift, not the message or policies.

Just pay the guy off to put in liberal judges and not go along with the right-wing agenda. Other than that, leave him alone. SCOTUS has made gifts for political moves legal.

Let the guy get rich off the office while you regroup

That's better than the Dems moving right, IMO. The right is just pulling the center further to the right and saying, "Look! They're leftists!" because the 50-yard line looks really far away from the 10 instead of the 35 while it hasn't moved an inch. You don't want to be competing for the least-Trumpiest Trumpers and letting progressives out in the cursed earth -- progressives who'll be really loyal if you give them something but won't vote if you give them nothing.

And don't worry about Elon. He loves his money. He's not going to pay Trump billions of dollars for the Republican agenda. He's not in it for that, either. He's in this thing for the attention.

So break Uncle Soros' piggy bank open and that of all the other smart corporate elites in the country that realize, sure, less regulation leads to more profit, but the total anarchy that stands to come from an unrestrained Trump right-wing presidency doesn't make the the stable environment big business needs to thrive.
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This is why I would like publicly funded elections. If every American had $100 that they could easily allocate to any candidate that they want... I feel like we would get better options.
 
GoZers said:
Well all those smarty pants who refused to vote because of this now get Trump who has no problem leveling Gaza.
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Trump letting Netanyahu turn Gaza into a beach resort also will be Biden and Harris' fault.
 
The right elitist let the conservative populist in, and the Left elitist did not allow the liberal populist in. Made a huge difference. The DNC & wrong media message pushed many voters away and didn't connect with many groups. In order to have any unity for any organization there needs to be a willingness to comprise to get something done for the people.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
If we were truly interested in "making America great again, our leaders (and every responsible parent) would push the point ad nauseum that "nobody ever said life was fair". That was one of the earliest lessons I was ever taught, and so were my contemporaries. Trump has flooded the zone for the past 8 years about how "unfair" the world was to him. Now his followers are singing the same tune. They want it all handed to them, like it was to their "great" leader. 70 million Americans made it very clear just how selfish they are. I hope I'm still alive 4 years from now, so I can watch them sift through the wreckage of their own making. Bunch a gullible lemmings.
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Life unfair to him?! Ha! Dude has never wanted for anything. He doesn't know what it's like to be without. Life has been all too fair to him.

If he thinks people have been unfair to him as of late, I just have one thing to say to that...

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I love the dialogue since Trump got re-elected. This might bring forth some change. Because what the Democratic Party is packaging up right now is not working.

The era of forcing candidates is my biggest issue.

I remember posting on here when Biden stepped down and there was a few people who insisted upon Harris as the new front runner.

I said if she’s the best candidate then so be it. But just because she’s the VP doesn’t mean we shouldn’t kick the tires.
 
MickZagger said:
I love the dialogue since Trump got re-elected. This might bring forth some change. Because what the Democratic Party is packaging up right now is not working.

The era of forcing candidates is my biggest issue.
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I think it's a made up issue.

Do you really think Kamala was a vastly inferior candidate to Biden 2024? Or Biden 2020? Or Hillary? Or John Kerry? Or Dukakis? Or Mondale?
Or, on the other side, Trump? Romney? McCain?

Getting the primary voters to decide is kinda-semi-democratic, but it's not actually a great way to ensure the best possible candidate in the general election.

Because voters can tend to be kinda stupid.

barfo
 
barfo said:
I think it's a made up issue.

Do you really think Kamala was a vastly inferior candidate to Biden 2024? Or Biden 2020? Or Hillary? Or John Kerry? Or Dukakis? Or Mondale?
Or, on the other side, Trump? Romney? McCain?

Getting the primary voters to decide is kinda-semi-democratic, but it's not actually a great way to ensure the best possible candidate in the general election.

Because voters can tend to be kinda stupid.

barfo
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Well based on recent past elections. I’d say Trump is female candidates kryptonite. And in no way am I saying I can’t get behind a female candidate. I was all in for Kamala.

The packaging the Republicans sold all the ignorant voters was he’s a super hero who will take a bullet in the name of the USA.

PS;

I’ll always think that the assassination thing was staged.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
It doesn't matter what the Democrats do. 70 million people voted to elect a convicted felon and sex offender to the highest office in the land. 70 million people who don't care about morals, ethics or the rule of law (except when it benefits them). 70 million people who gleefully bought into obvious lies and distortions. As the old saying goes, "you can't fix stupid". Multiply stupid by 70 million and you'll see why we're fucked beyond measure for at least the next generation.
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I’d assume a decent part of that 70 million are apathetic toward policy politics.
 
barfo said:
Do you really think Kamala was a vastly inferior candidate to Biden 2024? Or Biden 2020? Or Hillary? Or John Kerry? Or Dukakis? Or Mondale? Or, on the other side, Trump? Romney? McCain?
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She had much less Federal experience than most of those names.
 
barfo said:
I think it's a made up issue.

Do you really think Kamala was a vastly inferior candidate to Biden 2024? Or Biden 2020? Or Hillary? Or John Kerry? Or Dukakis? Or Mondale?
Or, on the other side, Trump? Romney? McCain?

Getting the primary voters to decide is kinda-semi-democratic, but it's not actually a great way to ensure the best possible candidate in the general election.

Because voters can tend to be kinda stupid.

barfo
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One thing all those candidates have in common, is that they won a primary. Kamala got 0 votes in the 2020 primary, had the lowest approval rating of any VP ever, then was annointed as the replacement candidate.

But in the 4 states Trump flipped out East coast: Georgia, Penn,Mich,Wisconsin, Trumps 2024 vote exceeded Biden's 2020 vote. Harris performed worse in 2 of those and better in 2 of those.

She's still going to come out of this with a lot less popular votes than Biden, but that's not want caused the flipped states, and thus, the election.
 
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