Politics Official 2024 Presidential Election Thread (1 Viewer)

[beast blazer]

See, to me this comes off as an angry white man hating for the sake of hate.

If a state has reason for giving sanctuary to immigrants, be it working low-paying jobs picking crops or providing labor in factories, why the heck would you interfere with that and potentially destroy the economy in that area?

It's letting rhetoric, posturing and ideological vendettas get in the way of good judgment. It doesn't even fit with the oft-cited right-wing stance about giving rights to the states because they better understand their needs, so, clearly, this has more to do with xenophobia than intelligent policy. It's just kneejerk reaction that's going to kill small farms and mid-size businesses for no sound reason.

I don't think they're going to literally go after everyone. They'll be focused on those that are affiliated with a gang, single military aged men, anyone not working...

Biden has created a mess, now it needs to be cleaned up. I"m sorry that he invited all those people to go through that, but we need legal immigration.

 

[PCmor7]

Nobody would win in a scenario where there's a hostile separation, with one side hoarding food and the other hording money etc. It would be a catastrophe. But what might happen is more of a political divorce, which would still be messy, but seem to be headed in that direction.

Don't back down now, Beast.

There's data. Rural America and red America are fiscal takers from Blue America.

You're bragging about separation. You've been hostile the whole time. Now all of a sudden you don't want a hostile separation?

The blue states and purple states have all the money. In the event of a "separation," they'll just buy product from each other or from foreign countries because they aren't xenophobic.

And, obviously, to have money, they do produce things. Do you know how free trade works? Do you understand even the simplicity of the barter system, where maybe we sell jet products and get back food?

As I've already said a couple of times, I am more than happy to let you reap what you've sown. You wanted to own the libs. You didn't consider what it would do to the women in your household, your neighbor from Guatemala, your gay friend, or even yourself. Now it's up to you to figure it out.

Go figure it out.

 

[beast blazer]

Am I dreaming? This is glorious! I can't believe how quickly things have turned around for our country.

 

[beast blazer]

Don't back down now, Beast.

There's data. Rural America and red America are fiscal takers from Blue America.

You're bragging about separation. You've been hostile the whole time. Now all of a sudden you don't want a hostile separation?

The blue states and purple states have all the money. In the event of a "separation," they'll just buy product from each other or from foreign countries because they aren't xenophobic.

And, obviously, to have money, they do produce things. Do you know how free trade works? Do you understand even the simplicity of the barter system, where maybe we sell jet products and get back food?

As I've already said a couple of times, I am more than happy to let you reap what you've sown. You wanted to own the libs. You didn't consider what it would do to the women in your household, your neighbor from Guatemala, your gay friend, or even yourself. Now it's up to you to figure it out.

Go figure it out.

Seriously though, all I said is "the red parts are MAGA country", which was like 95% of the map. It would be absurd to wish for a civil war.

But if we had a political divorce, who knows how things would re-align? A lot of businesses for example, have been moving out of New York and California, in favor of more business friendly states like Texas and Florida. And the red areas would control a lot of the resources, while the blue would have the port access. There would be so much to negotiate it's hard to really speculate.

But I think we'll be seeing calls for divorce from the LEFT before long.

 

[PCmor7]

LOL, the red have all this this property, all these farms, all this produce ... and no population.

So, genius, who exactly is going to work these lands, pick these crops, milk those cows, market and export your product and maintain your equipment?

You have an anti-vaxxer in charge of healthcare. How are you going to respond when measles and polio make a comeback in your states because you owned the libs? How are you going to mitigate the spread of the next serious outbreak of the flu? Oh, and where on these farms are you developing vaccines and cures when those things appear?

Then, when all these lands are further depleted of population and workforce, what are you going to do? Invite back the people you've deported to live in feudal America?

Do you guys even think about this stuff? Good lord.

"The red states own America, libs, get used to it!" LOL, OK, Cotton, let's see how that plays out.

 

[beast blazer]

LOL, the red have all this this property, all these farms, all this produce ... and no population.

So, genius, who exactly is going to work these lands, pick these crops, milk those cows, market and export your product and maintain your equipment?

You have an anti-vaxxer in charge of healthcare. How are you going to respond when measles and polio make a comeback in your states because you owned the libs? How are you going to mitigate the spread of the next serious outbreak of the flu? Oh, and where on these farms are you developing vaccines and cures when those things appear?

Then, when all these lands are further depleted of population and workforce, what are you going to do? Invite back the people you've deported to live in feudal America?

Do you guys even think about this stuff? Good lord.

"The red states own America, libs, get used to it!" LOL, OK, Cotton, let's see how that plays out.

Who would work the fields? The same people who are currently living there and doing it now. Magaland also has the refineries, mines, and factories. Though part of this would be bringing back our manufacturing base, which was a Democrat ideal 15 minutes ago but is now part of the Republican platform.

And we wouldn't be worried about the flu. But the left would be free to get all the vaccines they want, and get masks surgically attached to your faces.

 

[PCmor7]

Who would work the fields? The same people who are currently living there and doing it now. Magaland also has the refineries, mines, and factories. Though part of this would be bringing back our manufacturing base, which was a Democrat ideal 15 minutes ago but is now part of the Republican platform.

And we wouldn't be worried about the flu. But the left would be free to get all the vaccines they want, and get masks surgically attached to your faces.

You're deporting a bunch of those people. They aren't going to be there to work the field.

Talk about no freaking idea of how to process cause and effect. Good lord.

Enjoy your rubella and all those crops dying on the stalk.

 

[PCmor7]

As they say, not my circus, not my monkeys.

 

[beast blazer]

You're deporting a bunch of those people. They aren't going to be there to work the field.

Talk about no freaking idea of how to process cause and effect. Good lord.

Enjoy your rubella and all those crops dying on the stalk.

You guys can have all the illegal immigrants.

 

[PCmor7]

45.3 million immigrants live in the United States right now.

Our president and his border czar aren't just talking about deporting a lot of them, but their kids who are U.S. citizens under the Constitution.

These people provide cheap labor, pay taxes, by goods which stimulate the economy ... but our resident MAGA believes their absence won't affect the country.

Good lord, why did I ever waste my time talking to someone that doesn't think?

 

[beast blazer]

45.3 million immigrants live in the United States right now.

Our president and his border czar aren't just talking about deporting a lot of them, but their kids who are U.S. citizens under the Constitution.

These people provide cheap labor, pay taxes, by goods which stimulate the economy ... but our resident MAGA believes their absence won't affect the country.

Good lord, why did I ever waste my time talking to someone that doesn't think?

We were doing fine before the influx of illegal immigrants that occurred under the Biden regime. So this is really just a left wing fantasy. You think things are going to collapse without the llegals.

Do you think we have 45 million people working the fields? We can easily keep enough migrant workers. And Americans can fill jobs as well.

I was in Cour'd Alene ID a few months ago, they have almost no immigrants, and guess what, they had a well functioning/clean city. The motels were staffed by white people, giving jobs to young adults *gasp*.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

45.3 million immigrants live in the United States right now.

Our president and his border czar aren't just talking about deporting a lot of them, but their kids who are U.S. citizens under the Constitution.

These people provide cheap labor, pay taxes, by goods which stimulate the economy ... but our resident MAGA believes their absence won't affect the country.

Good lord, why did I ever waste my time talking to someone that doesn't think?

I thought it might be because you like pissing into the wind. Was it Ben Franklin who said to never argue with a fool….? Whoever, it was great advice…

 

[Phatguysrule]

I'm of course, partially joking about the food thing (of course, we'll continue to feed you).

But the idea of a national divorce doesn't sound so far fetched does it? Conservative counties within blue wall states have been talking about breaking off for years.

And now that the right is in power, could it spark a similar movement on the left? All that would need to happen, is the coastal cities get so fed up with what is going on with the Federal level, they ask for a divorce. And of course, the west coast of California were to leave, that would mean the Republicans would totally dominate the political landscape at the federal level, so they'd have a strong incentive to let them go.

Of course, dividing up federal resources would be really difficult, particularly the military. But both sides would have a pretty strong political will to split up.

It's stupid. Only stupid people pine for it.

 

[Phatguysrule]

45.3 million immigrants live in the United States right now.

Our president and his border czar aren't just talking about deporting a lot of them, but their kids who are U.S. citizens under the Constitution.

These people provide cheap labor, pay taxes, by goods which stimulate the economy ... but our resident MAGA believes their absence won't affect the country.

Good lord, why did I ever waste my time talking to someone that doesn't think?

Illegal immigrants contribute something like $1-2 trillion per year to the US economy...

 

[Phatguysrule]

We were doing fine before the influx of illegal immigrants that occurred under the Biden regime. So this is really just a left wing fantasy. You think things are going to collapse without the llegals.

Do you think we have 45 million people working the fields? We can easily keep enough migrant workers. And Americans can fill jobs as well.

I was in Cour'd Alene ID a few months ago, they have almost no immigrants, and guess what, they had a well functioning/clean city. The motels were staffed by white people, giving jobs to young adults *gasp*.

Idaho has plenty of immigrants.

 

[PCmor7]

Idaho has plenty of immigrants.

About 6% of the population, to be precise.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I was in Cour'd Alene ID a few months ago, they have almost no immigrants, and guess what, they had a well functioning/clean city. The motels were staffed by white people, giving jobs to young adults *gasp*.

"Stop saying MAGA is racist!"

 

[Chris Craig]

We were doing fine before the influx of illegal immigrants that occurred under the Biden regime. So this is really just a left wing fantasy. You think things are going to collapse without the llegals.

Do you think we have 45 million people working the fields? We can easily keep enough migrant workers. And Americans can fill jobs as well.

I was in Cour'd Alene ID a few months ago, they have almost no immigrants, and guess what, they had a well functioning/clean city. The motels were staffed by white people, giving jobs to young adults *gasp*.

Americans are too lazy to work the fields. There is reason immigrants do that work.

 

[jonnyboy]

This smug shit is exactly why you lost. Keep it up! And keep viewing worthless college degrees as status symbols, us people in the trades will need “educated” people to serve us coffee and drinks.

 

[Haakzilla]

The red areas grow almost all of the food.
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...and they will continue to only as long as the new admin doesnt start fucking up their production & exporting of said food

P.S. Land doesnt vote, people do

 

[jonnyboy]

...and they will continue to only as long as the new admin doesnt start fucking up their production & exporting of said food

P.S. Land doesnt vote, people do

And land doesn’t eat, people do. People don’t produce food, land does.

 

[jonnyboy]

Americans are too lazy to work the fields. There is reason immigrants do that work.

Myth. Americans work more hours than any other population hands down. Besides, there is ample migrant labor to accommodate our food production needs right now. Leaving the borders wide open isn’t solving any food production issues anyway, it literally just exacerbates them.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

This smug shit is exactly why you lost. Keep it up! And keep viewing worthless college degrees as a status symbols, us people in the trades need “educated” people to serve us coffee and drinks.

Smug or not, there is an unfortunate amount of truth to it. Whole lotta folks are just now realizing who is going to pay for those tariffs AND who and how many “illegals” are going to be deported. Too many people weren’t bright enough to see what their choice is actually going bring. But no problemo, their “education” is on the way……like a train with the headlight on. And I have no idea what brought on the college degree rant. We’re just talking plain, basic common sense. You're trotting out nothing more than the standard MAGA“I know you are but what am I” reply. And explain why the Right’s iron clad disdain for the educated is any different than that put forth by the educated towards the un(der)educated?

 

[Chris Craig]

Myth. Americans work more hours than any other population hands down. Besides, there is ample migrant labor to accommodate our food production needs right now. Leaving the borders wide open isn’t solving any food production issues anyway, it literally just exacerbates them.

You going to get older people to work in fields? Young people aren't going to do that. You guys are deporting all the immigrants, that includes migrants, though I guess you guys will let some of them back in to work for you.

I have never said borders should be wise open. It's something that has needed to be fixed for a long time. It was a problem during Trump's first term. Building a wall, putting kids in cages, and shooting people is not the solution. We need better management of getting people in legally so people don't feel like they have to cross in illegally.

 

[jonnyboy]

Smug or not, there is an unfortunate amount of truth to it. Whole lotta folks are just now realizing who is going to pay for those tariffs AND who and how many “illegals” are going to be deported. Too many people weren’t bright enough to see what their choice is actually going bring. But no problemo, their “education” is on the way……like a train with the headlight on. And I have no idea what brought on the college degree rant. We’re just talking plain, basic common sense. You're trotting out nothing more than the standard MAGA“I know you are but what am I” reply. And explain why the Right’s iron clad disdain for the educated is any different than that put forth by the educated towards the un(der)educated?

I was responding to a tweet you clearly did not see or read. It had nothing to do with tariffs or illegals.

 

[jonnyboy]

You guys are deporting all the immigrants, that includes migrants, though I guess you guys will let some of them back in to work for you.

Yes, exactly. Now you understand.

And stop conflating “immigrants” with “illegal immigrants”. Your side does this on purpose and it’s a slimy trick. Nobody is trying to deport legal immigrants.

 

[Phatguysrule]

And land doesn’t eat, people do. People don’t produce food, land does.

And food grows all over the world. In fact, we can purchase food from other countries cheaper than we can purchase it here in the US...

We'd prefer to purchase here in the US, but if that's a problem...

 

[Phatguysrule]

Myth. Americans work more hours than any other population hands down. Besides, there is ample migrant labor to accommodate our food production needs right now. Leaving the borders wide open isn’t solving any food production issues anyway, it literally just exacerbates them.

Not in the fields. When we have a depression and people are starving Americans will start thinking about working in the fields.

What a great goal to have as a Republican...

 

[PCmor7]

You going to get older people to work in fields? Young people aren't going to do that. You guys are deporting all the immigrants, that includes migrants, though I guess you guys will let some of them back in to work for you.

I have never said borders should be wise open. It's something that has needed to be fixed for a long time. It was a problem during Trump's first term. Building a wall, putting kids in cages, and shooting people is not the solution. We need better management of getting people in legally so people don't feel like they have to cross in illegally.

This country's population isn't having enough kids on its own to maintain the population. All the culture wars and division and mistrust stirred by the right is exacerbating that.

Immigration is needed to keep us where we are. But we've got all these mensa candidates out there fanboying fear porn about a group that is AND ALWAYS HAS made the U.S. stronger.

 

[Chris Craig]

Yes, exactly. Now you understand.

And stop conflating “immigrants” with “illegal immigrants”. Your side does this on purpose and it’s a slimy trick. Nobody is trying to deport legal immigrants.

Not conflating anything. Most of the immigrants who work in the fields are illegal.

And yeah you guys will allow some seasonal migrants to come and work and then leave the country. Not a surprise.