OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA: JANUARY 2025

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blazerfan11 said:
I wish the Blazers had a good coach.

Or maybe it's better to have a bad one in the name of tanking.
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So you think the Cavs coach would lead us to more wins? I’m quite sure Billups would have the Cavs in first place if they switched jobs. Talent wins out at the end of the day not coaching.
 
Google Luke Walton coaching the warriors FAMS!
 
THE HCP said:
So you think the Cavs coach would lead us to more wins? I’m quite sure Billups would have the Cavs in first place if they switched jobs. Talent wins out at the end of the day not coaching.
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It's an easy thing to claim because it can never be proven one way or the other. I look at Phil Jackson's tenure with the Lakers as supporting the value of coaching. But either way, it's all opinion.
 
THE HCP said:
So you think the Cavs coach would lead us to more wins? I’m quite sure Billups would have the Cavs in first place if they switched jobs. Talent wins out at the end of the day not coaching.
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I don’t know about that. Cavs basically have the same team as last year, but switched coaches and look a lot better for it.
 
I wish the sporting news was still legit.
 
ant said:
I don’t know about that. Cavs basically have the same team as last year, but switched coaches and look a lot better for it.
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Because they have another year of built up chemistry.
 
I think Atkinson deserves a bit of credit. After all, are all coaches the same ? All are as good as Popovich? According to your model CB = Pops. Now I know you really don't think that. I say coaches matter and players matter. Neither is sufficient but both are necessary. Now would I rather have the best roster OR the "best" coach? I would go with best roster.
 
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THE HCP said:
So you think the Cavs coach would lead us to more wins? I’m quite sure Billups would have the Cavs in first place if they switched jobs. Talent wins out at the end of the day not coaching.
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It's not like the Cavs just got a new coach and are showing SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.

Oh wait, THAT DID JUST HAPPEN.
 
AmirIcon said:
It's not like the Cavs just got a new coach and are showing SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT.

Oh wait, THAT DID JUST HAPPEN.
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The Cavs also won 48 games the year before and this year they have zero players under 22 on their roster (and only 1 player under 24 who is in their roation), vs 5 players under 22 for Portland, including 3 that get decent minutes, one who is a starter and the other 2 who are in the rotation, and 7 players 24 or younger who are in the rotation.
 
julius said:
The Cavs also won 48 games the year before and this year they have zero players under 22 on their roster (and only 1 player under 24 who is in their roation), vs 5 players under 22 for Portland, including 3 that get decent minutes, one who is a starter and the other 2 who are in the rotation, and 7 players 24 or younger who are in the rotation.
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7 teams with average ages less than a year older than Portland

OKC 30-6 (22-4 without Holmgren)
Hou 25-12
Memp 24-14 (Morant has only played 20 games)
Orl 22-17 (with heavy injuries)

no law says a young team has to be bad
 
wizenheimer said:
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7 teams with average ages less than a year older than Portland

OKC 30-6 (22-4 without Holmgren)
Hou 25-12
Memp 24-14 (Morant has only played 20 games)
Orl 22-17 (with heavy injuries)

no law says a young team has to be bad
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This was about the Cavs. Notice what the 1st and 3rd youngest teams have in common with Portland?
 
Cugel said:
I think Atkinson deserves a bit of credit. After all, are all coaches the same ? All are as good as Popovich? According to your model CB = Pops. Now I know you really don't think that. I say coaches matter and players matter. Neither is sufficient but both are necessary. Now would I rather have the best roster OR the "best" coach? I would go with best roster.
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Good coaches get the most out of their players. They have a good scheme and get them to buy into it.

I look at Taylor Jenkins in Memphis. They’re a really good team that plays above what their talent level on the team is. From top to bottom they aren’t one of the best rosters in the league. Not close. But every year they have guys who are unexpected contributors and buy into their role perfectly.

Jayden Wells a 2nd round pick has started for them all year. Pippen Jr has a major role. Last year it was Laraivia and Konchar.

Degnault is another one. They became a playoff team before anyone expected them to and the whole team buys into their defensive concept. He has every one of those guys playing like a dog.

Kerr is another one. This years particular roster outside of Curry is straight up hot garbage. They’re still a .500 team and will probably be a playoff team because they at least play defense at a respectable level.

Spoelstra is another. They have a couple good players. But generally their starting lineups are a mish mash of who’s? They always play hard and will probably be a playoff team again.
 
julius said:
This was about the Cavs. Notice what the 1st and 3rd youngest teams have in common with Portland?
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I noticed that

I also noticed that of the 9 youngest teams, 4 have not only winning records, but have the 2nd, 4th, 6th, and 9th best records in the league. 4 of the 9 youngest teams are in the top-10 teams in the league, and a 5th team has a .500 record. Meaning that only 4 of the 9 youngest teams have losing records.

I'm willing to grant that there could be some correlation to being a young team and finding more ways to lose games than win them. But that list of the 9 youngest teams, all within a year in average age, demonstrates that youth isn't quite as big a factor as many imagine. Looks like management and roster decisions have a much bigger impact

by the way, while the Blazers average age 24.1, the average age of their most used starting lineup is 25.8. Now, I suspect that some of those other teams would have a similar bump above the team average. Except OKC, the average age of their starters is 24.4
 
kjironman1 said:
If Williams goes to the Warriors and has an All Star Level year without injuries I will be very happy for him but deep down I'm going to be pretty pissed off.
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As long as we get a FRP I'll be ecstatic. Williams is never going to be productive for us in an important game.
 
wizenheimer said:
I noticed that

I also noticed that of the 9 youngest teams, 4 have not only winning records, but have the 2nd, 4th, 6th, and 9th best records in the league. 4 of the 9 youngest teams are in the top-10 teams in the league, and a 5th team has a .500 record. Meaning that only 4 of the 9 youngest teams have losing records.

I'm willing to grant that there could be some correlation to being a young team and finding more ways to lose games than win them. But that list of the 9 youngest teams, all within a year in average age, demonstrates that youth isn't quite as big a factor as many imagine. Looks like management and roster decisions have a much bigger impact

by the way, while the Blazers average age 24.1, the average age of their most used starting lineup is 25.8. Now, I suspect that some of those other teams would have a similar bump above the team average. Except OKC, the average age of their starters is 24.4
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Things that also matter:

For example, they have more experience than the core Blazers do (Shaedon, Scoot, DC and Ant) or are older or in some cases, just flat out better (Grant is a role player who they act like he's a star).

Shaedon, for example, is 2 years younger than Williams, just about 5 years younger than SGA and 4 years younger than Dort.

That amount of experience matters too. SGA having 4 years and 280 more games under his belt (243 more NBA games, and 37 college games) by the same age, Williams had 230 more games experience (counting college), that makes a HUGE difference.

When Jalen was Shaedons age, he was rookie averaging 14 ppg after 3 years in college (which makes a difference...see: Scoot and how detrimental his route was to his growth).

When SGA was Shaedons age, he was was averaging similar #'s as Shaedon (after a full year of college ball).

When Dort was Shaedons age, 14 ppg and a year of college.

Also, more importantly, their younger players have had more experience than Shaedon, Scoot and DC, and in the case of SGA, were drafted higher and had a higher ceiling than Simons (who was drafted the same year as SGA, and is oddly enough a year younger than SGA).

Take out Jerami (for the love of god, please take out Jerami) and the average age and experience on this team drops a bit. If you go on rotation players (so no Duop, Walker, Rupes and 2-ways) their total is 258ish for 11 players.

RW3 27, DA 26, Simons, 25, DBHooper 25, Tou 24, DAvdija 24, Murray 24, Sharpe 21, Scoot 20, DC 20, Rupes 20.

And even that's misleading, because RW3 barely plays. Take him out, and they're at 231 for 10 players.
 
Phatguysrule said:
As long as we get a FRP I'll be ecstatic. Williams is never going to be productive for us in an important game.
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Not sure about that. What are they, two three years from trying to win? Do you think he has to retire in the next year or two?
 
kjironman1 said:
Not sure about that. What are they, two three years from trying to win? Do you think he has to retire in the next year or two?
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If we're lucky. Williams isn't going to play much the rest of his career. If he plays half of any season the rest of his career he'll be incredibly lucky.

But he can make a huge difference to a team and contention in the playoffs.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Williams isn't going to play much the rest of his career.
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That was kinda the point of my original post. If he gets healthy and has an All Star type season is what I said.

Not sure how you are so sure he won’t play but I guess it’s a fairly safe bet. Though the injuries he has had are not career ending. He may very well play 20 mins a game and have a 70 game season. Certainly 60.
 
kjironman1 said:
That was kinda the point of my original post. If he gets healthy and has an All Star type season is what I said.

Not sure how you are so sure he won’t play but I guess it’s a fairly safe bet. Though the injuries he has had are not career ending. He may very well play 20 mins a game and have a 70 game season. Certainly 60.
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Well this is all totally my opinion. I obviously haven't done a medical examination on him.

I would much prefer a first round pick. And I would be super excited if we could send him someplace that he could find success.
 
julius said:
The Cavs also won 48 games the year before and this year they have zero players under 22 on their roster (and only 1 player under 24 who is in their roation), vs 5 players under 22 for Portland, including 3 that get decent minutes, one who is a starter and the other 2 who are in the rotation, and 7 players 24 or younger who are in the rotation.
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You listed a bunch of differences between the two clubs. Great. Not relevant in context to the assertion that a coach doesn't change things. It obviously does and I proved that.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Well this is all totally my opinion. I obviously haven't done a medical examination on him.

I would much prefer a first round pick. And I would be super excited if we could send him someplace that he could find success.
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Gotta wish him all the best. He’s certainly worked through some tough days.
 
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