Official Around the NBA October/November 2016

[SIeepwalker]

Tim Frazier would obviously have been the 3rd star of our big 3

 

[PDXFonz]

Working out with dame in the summer looks to have helped his game.

 

[PDXFonz]

GSW hardly looks like the powerhouse team they were last year. It is most noticeable on the defensive end.

 

[e_blazer]

GSW hardly looks like the powerhouse team they were last year. It is most noticeable on the defensive end.

Let's at least wait until after Tuesday before we declare them has beens.

 

[PDXFonz]

Let's at least wait until after Tuesday before we declare them has beens.

They are still a good team, my point is more so that the people claiming they are a Finals lock are off their rocker.

 

[e_blazer]

They are still a good team, my point is more so that the people claiming they are a Finals lock are off their rocker.

Yeah, I know. Just giving you a hard time. My money is still on GSW figuring it out and being pretty tough to beat, but they're definitely dealing with some issues.

 

[PDXFonz]

Yeah, I know. Just giving you a hard time. My money is still on GSW figuring it out and being pretty tough to beat, but they're definitely dealing with some issues.

They are already tough to beat, but the difference is they try to win on the offensive end rather than on defense. They are pretty bad at guarding the three point line too. If they don't lock down in defense vs us we will eat them alive.

Let me put it this way, their effort on defense in their first 3 games mimics our defense in 3rd quarters this season. It's similar in the sense that we have slacked in the third because we know we can lock it down and mount a comeback in the 4th. The Warriors think they can slack on defense and let their shooting carry them. They don't have the defensive minded anchors of Ezeli or Bogut anymore, and the visible differences are glaring.

 

[PDXFonz]

And as far as 'figuring it out' in the sense that Miami 'figured it out', Durant is a shade of the champion Lebron James is, and Dwayne Wade as well for that matter. The only real 'champion' competitor on the Warriors is Draymond, and he is also the most volatile. The heat figured out how to come together to make the team greater than the sum of their parts, I don't see these Warriors being able to play like themselves and still be able to let Livingston go off in the playoffs, which is what lebron bosh and Wade were able to do when they got the best out of players like Chalmers Miller and Haslem.

 

[e_blazer]

And as far as 'figuring it out' in the sense that Miami 'figured it out', Durant is a shade of the champion Lebron James is, and Dwayne Wade as well for that matter. The only real 'champion' competitor on the Warriors is Draymond, and he is also the most volatile. The heat figured out how to come together to make the team greater than the sum of their parts, I don't see these Warriors being able to play like themselves and still be able to let Livingston go off in the playoffs, which is what lebron bosh and Wade were able to do when they got the best out of players like Chalmers Miller and Haslem.

I agree with most of this, but we'll see what Kerr can do with them defensively. It's not just a matter of how the big 4 work together, it's all the other new pieces who, IMO, aren't going to contribute as much as the other role players they're replacing. Maybe Kerr can work some magic, but I'm not quite sure.

 

[Tunchi]

All 15-16 season you hammered Lillard in every post over efficiency.
Surprising you'd post this.
But then again you like Lowry so not surprised.

Oh trust me I hate it

 

[Blazer Freak]

Terrence Ross, Andre Miller, and Mo Williams have had 50+ before. 31 points makes him good?

It was the addition of Bogut that made who relevant, the Warriors???

Please don't tell me the reason the Warriors have been relevant the past couple years has been because of Andrew Bogut. If you really think that then I worry for you.

If you guys want to find solace in anything from the last season or two...look at a majority of the players who have been let go or traded. People who come to this team leave a better player and that says a lot to the type of Player Development the Blazers have.

With Stotts and Olshey I haven't felt this confident in the direction of the franchise in a long time.

 

[BonesJones]

Oh trust me I hate it

Whoosh.

 

[KingSpeed]

Terrence Ross, Andre Miller, and Mo Williams have had 50+ before. 31 points makes him good?

It was the addition of Bogut that made who relevant, the Warriors???

Please don't tell me the reason the Warriors have been relevant the past couple years has been because of Andrew Bogut. If you really think that then I worry for you.

Brush up on your history. The Warriors sucked. They traded for Bogut. Then they were good. Also, look up games that Bogut missed last season, especially Game 7 of the NBA Finals.

 

[PDXFonz]

Wow, Wes is still an elite defender.

 

[PDXFonz]

Harden with the clutch jersey grab to get past Wes, ends up drawing a foul and wins the game going 1-2 from the line...

Hardens turnovers are killing me right now. Not that I'd expect to win that stat anyways, but come on...8 turnovers on 6 assists and people think he's an MVP?

 

[KingSpeed]

Wow, Wes is still an elite defender.

He's also one of the worst shooters in the NBA.

 

[Strenuus]

Brush up on your history. The Warriors sucked. They traded for Bogut. Then they were good. Also, look up games that Bogut missed last season, especially Game 7 of the NBA Finals.

So Steph and Klay's maturation had nothing to do with helping them... you know, win?

 

[H.C.]

Brush up on your history. The Warriors sucked. They traded for Bogut. Then they were good. Also, look up games that Bogut missed last season, especially Game 7 of the NBA Finals.

He also had DNP-cd in games 5/6 in the 2015 finals. Played a total of 3 minutes in game 4.
Wasn't that much of a difference maker in games 1/2/3 either. Turning into as Screaming-A-Smith puts it "Andrew Bogus."(for game 3)
Bogut was a situational player who more often than not was on the bench due to no big to guard in the 2015 playoffs.
Outside of series against Memphis that is.
I'd say any defensive Center could have filled the role Bogut did on the Warriors team.

http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/2747/year/2015/andrew-bogut

 

[BonesJones]

Brush up on your history. The Warriors sucked. They traded for Bogut. Then they were good. Also, look up games that Bogut missed last season, especially Game 7 of the NBA Finals.

Lol. Using your logic, Ian Clark made them relevant too.

 

[illmatic99]

Bunch of last minute rookie extensions beat the deadline today for 2013 draftees.

All from Woj

Oladipo: OKC-- 4yrs, 84 mil
Steven Adams: OKC -- 4yrs, 100 mil
Gobert: UTA-- 4yrs, 100+ mil

Nothing for Plums it seems, understandably.We're gonna skip the lux tax this year and let him go to RFA in a market saturated with centers.

 

[Shaboid]

Bunch of last minute rookie extensions beat the deadline today for 2013 draftees.

All from Woj

Oladipo: OKC-- 4yrs, 84 mil
Steven Adams: OKC -- 4yrs, 100 mil
Gobert: UTA-- 4yrs, 100+ mil

Nothing for Plums it seems, understandably.We're gonna skip the lux tax this year and let him go to RFA in a market saturated with centers.

This makes me feel a bit better about how much we spent in the off season.

 

[Sarni]

Hell, $25M a year for Adams and Gobert is insane. The money on the table these days is absolutely riduculous. They are good but limited centers and are being signed for a quarter of a cap, wow. Wonder how much Noel is going to get, I have been advocating trading for him in the other thread but if he is to sign a $25M a year deal next year then it's a no go.

 

[Natebishop3]

Hell, $25M a year for Adams and Gobert is insane. The money on the table these days is absolutely riduculous. They are good but limited centers and are being signed for a quarter of a cap, wow.

Gobert is good... but I just don't think he's THAT good. Dame abused the shit out of him.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Gobert is good... but I just don't think he's THAT good. Dame abused the shit out of him.

And will continue to do so as long as they both play. I have no doubts now after watching the last game. Gobert will not get a team to a ring with Dame around. He has his number.

 

[Sarni]

Gobert is good... but I just don't think he's THAT good. Dame abused the shit out of him.

He's a fine defensive player with little offense and not really a game changer IMO. He is nice to have a round but not as a central figure.

 

[Tunchi]

Well centers are generally expensive anyways. Look how much Mozgov got. So there worth what their value is. That's just the way it is with centers.

Unfortunately Mason Plumlee is going to be expensive for no reason but his value in the open market.

 

[Sarni]

Well centers are generally expensive anyways. Look how much Mozgov got. So there worth what their value is. That's just the way it is with centers.

Unfortunately Mason Plumlee is going to be expensive for no reason but his value in the open market.

Well I think the best for us will be to let Plumlee go this season. Miles Plumlee got $12M and Mason is probably worth more. We will still have Ezeli and can trade for another center. In all honesty someone like Okafor could really be worth the risk if only for the fact that he will be here on a small contract for the next 2+ years.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Hell, $25M a year for Adams and Gobert is insane. The money on the table these days is absolutely riduculous. They are good but limited centers and are being signed for a quarter of a cap, wow. Wonder how much Noel is going to get, I have been advocating trading for him in the other thread but if he is to sign a $25M a year deal next year then it's a no go.

I know a LOT of people around here love to hate Meyers, and I also know Steven Adams is a much better defender and can take a kick to the nutsack and keep right on playing, but check out these numbers from last season:

Meyers Leonard: 8.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg and 1.5 apg in 21.9 mpg
Steven Adams: 8.0 apg, 6.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 25.2 mpg

Now check out these numbers:

Meyers Leonard: $41 million over 4 years
Steven Adams: $100 million over 4 years

Again, I acknowledge that Adams is better, but how in the hell do you justify $100 million over 4 years to a guy who should never be anything more than a defensive role player who should never be higher than your 4th or 5th option on offense? That's insane money. Oh well, I guess they have to give it to somebody and they aren't going to attract any top name free agents to Cow Town any time soon. Which is moot at this point after giving these extensiions to Adams and Oladipo.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

I know a LOT of people around here love to hate Meyers, and I also know Steven Adams is a much better defender and can take a kick to the nutsack and keep right on playing, but check out these numbers from last season:

Meyers Leonard: 8.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg and 1.5 apg in 21.9 mpg
Steven Adams: 8.0 apg, 6.7 rpg, 0.8 apg in 25.2 mpg

Now check out these numbers:

Meyers Leonard: $41 million over 4 years
Steven Adams: $100 million over 4 years

Again, I acknowledge that Adams is better, but how in the hell do you justify $100 million over 4 years to a guy who should never be anything more than a defensive role player who should never be higher than your 4th or 5th option on offense? That's insane money. Oh well, I guess they have to give it to somebody and they aren't going to attract any top name free agents to Cow Town any time soon. Which is moot at this point after giving these extensiions to Adams and Oladipo.

BNM

This has instantly raised Leonard's trade value.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

My top-3 draft day rankings for our #10 pick:

1 - McCollum: $106m
2 - Adams: $100m
3 - Gobert: $102m

I'll never get used to these new contracts.