OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA: SEPTEMBER 2024

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BIG Q said:
This is not difficult. Because KAT has longevity with the Minny organization. He WAS the franchise player, UNTIL Ant exploded this past season as they were hoping to. KAT's ego is too big to play second fiddle to Ant in Minny. But, Kat is moved to NYK, gets to be the man there with a loaded starting roster. Randle moving to a new team, in this case Minny, knows they are giving the keys to Ant and he is second fiddle. I can go on but it is pretty in ones face what is at play. And for good reason. The NBA wants to feature Ant, Randle, not so much.
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You DO understand WHO you are replying to right?
 
wizenheimer said:
holy shit!....you're really working OT trying to convince everybody what they saw from Edwards last season, especially in the playoffs, wasn't real

* during the regular season, Ant averaged 26-5-5. In the playoffs, he averaged 28-7-7
* during the regular season, his PER was 19.7 and his TS% was .575. In the playoffs, his PER was 22.5 and his TS% was .598
* regular season, his winshare/48 was .130, and his BPM was +3.3. In playoffs those marks were .172 and +6.7

he's been in the playoffs 3 seasons and in each season, his scoring, assists, and efficiency increased in those playoffs. That's rare

he was the unquestioned leader and #1 option on the Wolves last season and he led them to the 4th best record in the NBA, only one win behind 2nd best record, and he led his team to the conference finals

and he did all that when he was 22, in his 4th season, and still on his rookie contract. That's a hell of a lot better resume than "wasn’t even in Top 40 in PER"
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Disagree. If you’re not Top 40 in PER, you’re not a star.
 
wizenheimer said:
holy shit!....you're really working OT trying to convince everybody what they saw from Edwards last season, especially in the playoffs, wasn't real

* during the regular season, Ant averaged 26-5-5. In the playoffs, he averaged 28-7-7
* during the regular season, his PER was 19.7 and his TS% was .575. In the playoffs, his PER was 22.5 and his TS% was .598
* regular season, his winshare/48 was .130, and his BPM was +3.3. In playoffs those marks were .172 and +6.7

he's been in the playoffs 3 seasons and in each season, his scoring, assists, and efficiency increased in those playoffs. That's rare

he was the unquestioned leader and #1 option on the Wolves last season and he led them to the 4th best record in the NBA, only one win behind 2nd best record, and he led his team to the conference finals

and he did all that when he was 22, in his 4th season, and still on his rookie contract. That's a hell of a lot better resume than "wasn’t even in Top 40 in PER"
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Thanks for taking care of this. I just didn't have it in me. Sat through my sons soccer game yesterday. 111 degrees when it ended and we set an all time high for the day, 117. You did better than I ever would have anyways. Cheers!
 
I wonder where he falls when he’s the second option on the court?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
I'd say we also have the worst #1 and #2 options in the league.

Our first option is Grant, second is Ayton.
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Ant is our first scoring option, then perhaps JG and DA sharing second, then third is Shae, Deni and Scoot, then you have everyone else. We’re honestly getting a little loaded with young talent finally.
 
SheedSoNasty said:
so we have the worst #3 option in the league?
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The worst #3 that shouldn't be on the list. He would be #5 if starting. He's a distributor of the ball Ant, Shae, Ayton, Grant & Dani all offensive options before Scoot. At this point anyway.
 
Foxx said:
Ant is our first scoring option, then perhaps JG and DA sharing second, then third is Shae, Deni and Scoot, then you have everyone else. We’re honestly getting a little loaded with young talent finally.
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Ant and Ayton aren't young, not by NBA standards. I'm hopeful for Avdija but for a 9th pick, he was pretty disappointing over his first 3 seasons. He really improved his marks last season over his norms. Now we need to see him sustain that improvement, then build on it

Sharpe and Scoot have upside no doubt, but they both have some substantial questions about their games, especially Scoot. Probably the same case with Clingan

this roster isn't really "loaded with young talent" IMO, not if actual established talent is the gauge. I think most observers would say that Portland is one of the least talented teams in the league. Vegas sure doesn't like the Blazer talent. Maybe that calculation will be different by mid-season, but for now...
 
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wizenheimer said:
Ant and Ayton aren't young, not by NBA standards. I'm hopeful for Avdija but for a 9th pick, he was pretty disappointing over his first 3 seasons. He really improved his marks last season over his norms. Now we need to see him sustain that improvement, then build on it

Sharpe and Scoot have upside no doubt, but they both have some substantial questions about their games, especially Scoot. Probably the same case with Clingan

this roster isn't really "loaded with young talent" IMO, not if actual established talent is the gauge. I think most observers would say that Portland is one of the least talented teams in the league. Vegas sure doesn't like the Blazer talent. Maybe that calculation will be different by mid-season, but for now...
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A 25/26 year old vet tandem capable of 20-25 ppg and one of them a double double machine, is infinitely more valuable than more raw 19/20 yr olds. I don’t think a 5 year age difference is meaningful
 
KingSpeed said:
For comparison:

PER 2023-24

1. Embiid
2. Jokic
3. Giannis
4. SGA
5. Luka
47. Anthony Edwards

Calling Edwards a star makes no sense. There is a big difference between him and the real thing. Get back to me when he finishes a season in the Top 15.

https://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/year/2024
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Do a small change on that to SG instead of All players.
https://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg/league/west/year/2024

1 Devin Booker, PHX
2 Anthony Edwards, MIN
3 James Harden, LAC
4 Desmond Bane, MEM
5 CJ McCollum, NO
6 Josh Giddey, OKC
7 Scotty Pippen Jr., MEM
8 Bradley Beal, PHX
9 Trey Murphy III, NO
10 Malik Monk, SAC

That is playing 79 games. Hollinger PER is a very lop sided stat that has a tendency to favor those that rebound the ball. It also is a bit slanted on assist/turnover ratio.

Learn the stat then post.
 
kjironman1 said:
Do a small change on that to SG instead of All players.
https://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg/league/west/year/2024

1 Devin Booker, PHX
2 Anthony Edwards, MIN
3 James Harden, LAC
4 Desmond Bane, MEM
5 CJ McCollum, NO
6 Josh Giddey, OKC
7 Scotty Pippen Jr., MEM
8 Bradley Beal, PHX
9 Trey Murphy III, NO
10 Malik Monk, SAC

That is playing 79 games. Hollinger PER is a very lop sided stat that has a tendency to favor those that rebound the ball. It also is a bit slanted on assist/turnover ratio.

Learn the stat then post.
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CJ has popped....
 
KingSpeed said:
For comparison:

PER 2023-24

1. Embiid
2. Jokic
3. Giannis
4. SGA
5. Luka
47. Anthony Edwards

Calling Edwards a star makes no sense. There is a big difference between him and the real thing. Get back to me when he finishes a season in the Top 15.

https://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/year/2024
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umm those would be mvp players. Not stars. three of the five in your list HAVE been an mvp!
How many all stars are there? 24-30? A star isn't even an all star. So yes Ant is a star. You have your definition of star all mixed up with all star and mvp players.

you can disagree all you want. You are still wrong…
 
kjironman1 said:
Do a small change on that to SG instead of All players.
https://insider.espn.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/sg/league/west/year/2024

1 Devin Booker, PHX
2 Anthony Edwards, MIN
3 James Harden, LAC
4 Desmond Bane, MEM
5 CJ McCollum, NO
6 Josh Giddey, OKC
7 Scotty Pippen Jr., MEM
8 Bradley Beal, PHX
9 Trey Murphy III, NO
10 Malik Monk, SAC

That is playing 79 games. Hollinger PER is a very lop sided stat that has a tendency to favor those that rebound the ball. It also is a bit slanted on assist/turnover ratio.

Learn the stat then post.
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You dont have to. Keep it at all players. Ant is still a star. Someones smoking something they should be sharing…
 
Foxx said:
A 25/26 year old vet tandem capable of 20-25 ppg and one of them a double double machine, is infinitely more valuable than more raw 19/20 yr olds. I don’t think a 5 year age difference is meaningful
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the point was you seemed to be including Ayton and Simons in the assertion that Portland is "loaded with young talent". Those two aren't 'young' by NBA standards. The average age in the NBA last season was 26.03 years. Ayton is older than average; Ant will get there in 8 months. NBA middle age is not NBA younth

by the way, I get the reach for extreme hyperbole, but it has drawbacks. Saying that Simon & Ayton are "infinitely" more valuable than any other pair of players seems meaningless. To start with, I'm not sure Simons or Ayton have any significant positive value. If they do, it's not much. I'm also not sure what you mean by "raw 19/20 year olds". A year ago, did Simons & Ayton have infinitely more value than the raw pairing of Victor Wembayana & Brandon Miller? Do they even have more value than Reed Shepard & Donovan Clingan?
 
wizenheimer said:
A year ago, did Simons & Ayton have infinitely more value than the raw pairing of Victor Wembayana & Brandon Miller? Do they even have more value than Reed Shepard & Donovan Clingan?
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Guarantee you the Rockets would hang up laughing if Cronin offered Ant for Sheppard.
 
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