OFFICIAL Around The NBA Thread...... August

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Boob-No-More said:
I'd settle for re-watching our 2018 summer league games right now, even with the shitty split screens and pointless interviews talking over the live action.

BNM
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Mhh Summer League was nice this Year, good idea
 
I regularly go on youtube and watch Globetrotters games from back in the day...entertains the hell out of me...my first games beyond HS that I ever got to see were the Globetrotters with Meadow Lark Lemon...for you youngin's around here...check em out!
 
riverman said:
I regularly go on youtube and watch Globetrotters games from back in the day...entertains the hell out of me...my first games beyond HS that I ever got to see were the Globetrotters with Meadow Lark Lemon...for you youngin's around here...check em out!
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Yeah..I went with dad several times when the Coliseum was new.
 
handiman said:
Analytics get it wrong far more than my eye test. They're a good supplement but never the ultimate answer you like to believe. Kids these days. :)
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Analytics arent subjective, dont age, and cant be easily obscured.
 
BonesJones said:
Analytics arent subjective, dont age, and cant be easily obscured.
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The problem with analytics is that there are many things that it is hard to take into account numerically. They don’t do a good job accounting for schemes, it doesn’t know what a coach asked a player to do. I think analytics are a great tool, but when it comes to sports there’s almost always more to the story. Like PER36 minute stats are kind of a joke to me. ML this year had one of the best PER’s on the team. It doesn’t take into account he played almost all garbage time minutes. I know there are better stats that’s just an example. It’s also hard to compare different eras and rules and how that effects the advanced statistics of older players.

This isn’t an anti-analytic post, this is just that I think numbers while important almost never tell the whole story on a basketball players impact.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
The problem with analytics is that there are many things that it is hard to take into account numerically. They don’t do a good job accounting for schemes, it doesn’t know what a coach asked a player to do. I think analytics are a great tool, but when it comes to sports there’s almost always more to the story. Like PER36 minute stats are kind of a joke to me. ML this year had one of the best PER’s on the team. It doesn’t take into account he played almost all garbage time minutes. I know there are better stats that’s just an example. It’s also hard to compare different eras and rules and how that effects the advanced statistics of older players.

This isn’t an anti-analytic post, this is just that I think numbers while important almost never tell the whole story on a basketball players impact.
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Why are Per 36 minutes a joke? With them you're able to compare players on a production per minute basis. Of course numbers dont tell the whome story... Obviously sample size matters and stats need context, I just hate when people provide their context and opinion, then denounce stats because it's contradictory, while trying to give their reasoning in a way that's obviously BS, or by claiming stats are meaningless, as if their opinion is the thing with valid parameters for observation...

PER is an overrated stat, as it takes into account mostly offensive production, and simply values the stuffing of raw stats. Meyers was very efficient in such a small sample size last year that it was meaningless. In that situation, the statistic is undersampled so it's arbitrary, so context is more valuable

In this case, you're talking about a carefully crafted stat that accounts for multiple different factors, thats valid base off sample size, that's consistent over different situations, that's also consistent with popular opinion (i.e. popular context). The argument is "I saw him play, more than you did, so I'm right" combined with the "stats don't matter" argument combined with trying to use raw individual 1v1 game stats at the same time doesn't make sense.
 
BonesJones said:
Why are Per 36 minutes a joke? With them you're able to compare players on a production per minute basis. Of course numbers dont tell the whome story... Obviously sample size matters and stats need context, I just hate when people provide their context and opinion, then denounce stats because it's contradictory, while trying to give their reasoning in a way that's obviously BS, or by claiming stats are meaningless, as if their opinion is the thing with valid parameters for observation...

PER is an overrated stat, as it takes into account mostly offensive production, and simply values the stuffing of raw stats. Meyers was very efficient in such a small sample size last year that it was meaningless. In that situation, the statistic is undersampled so it's arbitrary, so context is more valuable

In this case, you're talking about a carefully crafted stat that accounts for multiple different factors, thats valid base off sample size, that's consistent over different situations, that's also consistent with popular opinion (i.e. popular context). The argument is "I saw him play, more than you did, so I'm right" combined with the "stats don't matter" argument combined with trying to use raw individual 1v1 game stats at the same time doesn't make sense.
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A lot of the time PER is used to say some guy is really good off of small sample sizes vs second or third unit players. Or doesn’t take into account that a player is a “star” and has to play against the best defenders or double teams every night.
Sure like all stats they have some value, I just hate when someone tells me oh we should go get memphis’ third string center because he had a great PER (that was a make believe scenario) but that ‘kind’ of thing happens.

Well seeing a guy play is really important to knowing how good a player is. Honestly I’d want my GM to do a lot of both analytics and watching.

I’m not arguing that stats don’t matter, or analytics don’t matter. I just think there’s more to the story than that.
Here’s an example I think Dames defense has always gotten criticized as being worse than it is in reality and part of that is scheme. The scheme has their guard constantly behind the play which means that Dame and CJ are both always a step behind. The idea is the big will pick them up in the paint and with Nurkic or Zach that works ok from a team defense POV, but the analytics show them as bad defenders. Most people point to this year as Dame getting a lot better on defense, but I think that started last year and it just didn’t show up until they had Nurk, they hadn’t had a good defensive big since ROLO.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
A lot of the time PER is used to say some guy is really good off of small sample sizes vs second or third unit players. Or doesn’t take into account that a player is a “star” and has to play against the best defenders or double teams every night.
Sure like all stats they have some value, I just hate when someone tells me oh we should go get memphis’ third string center because he had a great PER (that was a make believe scenario) but that ‘kind’ of thing happens.

Well seeing a guy play is really important to knowing how good a player is. Honestly I’d want my GM to do a lot of both analytics and watching.

I’m not arguing that stats don’t matter, or analytics don’t matter. I just think there’s more to the story than that.
Here’s an example I think Dames defense has always gotten criticized as being worse than it is in reality and part of that is scheme. The scheme has their guard constantly behind the play which means that Dame and CJ are both always a step behind. The idea is the big will pick them up in the paint and with Nurkic or Zach that works ok from a team defense POV, but the analytics show them as bad defenders. Most people point to this year as Dame getting a lot better on defense, but I think that started last year and it just didn’t show up until they had Nurk, they hadn’t had a good defensive big since ROLO.
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Dames DBPM improved a lot this season..
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
A lot of the time PER is used to say some guy is really good off of small sample sizes vs second or third unit players. Or doesn’t take into account that a player is a “star” and has to play against the best defenders or double teams every night.
Sure like all stats they have some value, I just hate when someone tells me oh we should go get memphis’ third string center because he had a great PER (that was a make believe scenario) but that ‘kind’ of thing happens.

Well seeing a guy play is really important to knowing how good a player is. Honestly I’d want my GM to do a lot of both analytics and watching.

I’m not arguing that stats don’t matter, or analytics don’t matter. I just think there’s more to the story than that.
Here’s an example I think Dames defense has always gotten criticized as being worse than it is in reality and part of that is scheme. The scheme has their guard constantly behind the play which means that Dame and CJ are both always a step behind. The idea is the big will pick them up in the paint and with Nurkic or Zach that works ok from a team defense POV, but the analytics show them as bad defenders. Most people point to this year as Dame getting a lot better on defense, but I think that started last year and it just didn’t show up until they had Nurk, they hadn’t had a good defensive big since ROLO.
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I wasn't talking about you. My whole post was saying that the strongest arguments involved proper context and stats.
 
HCP said:
Summer is winding down kinda......camps start in 7 weeks. Tic Toc Tic Toc..... Will we finally sign Melo? Heading to work in Atlantic City this weekend. I’ll keep a lookout at the airport for him for sure.
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Its no so pretty in the other side of AC. Glad you can add NJ to your list of fucked up places. The real wonder city at the Jersey shore is Asbury Park. Once thought as the only failed shore town, it is now hip and filled with renaissance people. IMG_2388 (1) bay sunset.JPG
 
Isaiah to Portland confirmed league Source tell Labinot41 Screenshot_20180821-170521_Instagram.jpg
 
Driew said:
Rereading that thread and I somehow never saw this stat:

11/7/08 Roy's 3 wins the game over Houston 99-98

5/2/14 Lillard's 3 wins the game over Houston 99-98
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I read this three times trying to understand that stat line. Only to realize it was a date.
 
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