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Hoopguru said:
Sets a bar for Trent. They both are shooters and shooters are a premium in the league.
If Trent would accept a 4 year/64m that would be terrific. This might get it moving along?
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They both can shoot but Trent can guard so this might be low end for Trent agent to look at.
 
blazerkor said:
You're right, I was wrong about market size but I'm not wrong about an owner's financial situation. Jody can afford to make these mistakes a lot more than Ryan Smith because Jody Allen can afford to make any financial mistake exponentially more times than a person like Smith. A person like Allen who is worth around 20 billion has far more than 20 times the opportunities to use those assets than someone like Smith does with around 1 billion... so that does make the mistake worse as an individual but you're right it's just as big of a mistake for that Blazers as it is for the Jazz as insulated entities when looking at it from a purely financial perspective and forgetting about competitive shit.
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Just because an owner can afford to lose more than another ownership group doesn't mean they will.

Sure Paul Allen could spend any amount of luxury tax and it would never impact anything with his day to day living. Thats what he did in early 2000 SPAM days.

But he said there are better uses of money, cancer research, etc. We've never seen a Blazers team go crazy deep into the luxury tax since 2000 so there hasn't been an advantage there in 20 years.

Every NBA owner can get massive financing if they really need cash. The teams are all worth well over a billion.

Thats not to say some NBA ownership groups are more luxury tax hesitant than others. But saying the Jazz are at a financial disadvantage to the Blazers because of ownership isn't evident by actions the team or individuals has taken.

Who knows, Jody could sell the team in the next year and donate all the profits while the Jazz could be in the repeater luxury tax multiple times in the next decade.
 
Wow the Magic gave Isaac 4 years $80 mil and Fultz 3 years $50 mil.

I don't get the Fultz deal, the guy isn't even a good backup, he's a 26% 3pt shooter. A PG needs to have Westbrook athleticism and scoring to be of value as such a bad shooter.

These teams would be better letting these guys walk just as we would've been with Meyers, Crabbe, Turner. Sometimes I think the former player GM's of decades ago were terrible but you see so many stupid contracts every offseason I guess it hasn't changed. There's just a bunch of teams locked into losing.

Hell at this rate Trent might get a $100 million deal.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Wow the Magic gave Isaac 4 years $80 mil and Fultz 3 years $50 mil.

I don't get the Fultz deal, the guy isn't even a good backup, he's a 26% 3pt shooter. A PG needs to have Westbrook athleticism and scoring to be of value as such a bad shooter.

These teams would be better letting these guys walk just as we would've been with Meyers, Crabbe, Turner. Sometimes I think the former player GM's of decades ago were terrible but you see so many stupid contracts every offseason I guess it hasn't changed. There's just a bunch of teams locked into losing.

Hell at this rate Trent might get a $100 million deal.
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What in the actual fuck. They gave Issac $20 million a year with that fucked up knee? Fulton $50 mill?

What is going on. Somebody is high on Christmas spirit.
 
Gary's price tag this offseason just went through the roof. No way we are going to be able to pay him unless we move CJ
 
NBA teams were hurt bad by the pandemic in losing revenue and are overreacting in signing players to these god awful extensions to try and ensure their future investment. But, they are making a big mistake because they are driving up the monetary value of role players who should never get such contracts.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Just because an owner can afford to lose more than another ownership group doesn't mean they will.

Sure Paul Allen could spend any amount of luxury tax and it would never impact anything with his day to day living. Thats what he did in early 2000 SPAM days.

But he said there are better uses of money, cancer research, etc. We've never seen a Blazers team go crazy deep into the luxury tax since 2000 so there hasn't been an advantage there in 20 years.

Every NBA owner can get massive financing if they really need cash. The teams are all worth well over a billion.

Thats not to say some NBA ownership groups are more luxury tax hesitant than others. But saying the Jazz are at a financial disadvantage to the Blazers because of ownership isn't evident by actions the team or individuals has taken.

Who knows, Jody could sell the team in the next year and donate all the profits while the Jazz could be in the repeater luxury tax multiple times in the next decade.
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Portland was actually one of the more profitable franchises back then. (#3?) It wasn't till the fan base turned in the Jail Blazer era that the purse strings tightened, as I recall. So, PA wasn't negatively impacted at all by those free-spending ways.
 
B-Roy said:
Agree to disagree then, since the comparison in your post insinuated that Gobert = CJ.

Here's a thought, over the last 3-4 seasons, the Blazers and Jazz have been around the same place in terms of league standing. Only the Blazers have had an MVP candidate the entire time. Now let's take your assumption and say CJ and Gobert cancel each other out. The best player on the Blazers is probably going to start declining, while the best player on the Jazz is already getting better.

Seems to me like even though both teams are in the tier below contending ,the Jazz have a better chance of shooting into the contending tier for a season or two (if everything breaks right) during the duration of Gobert/CJ's huge contracts. That seems like a fine gamble for the Jazz, considering they are the Jazz, and the chance of replacing Gobert with someone better in FA is not going to happen.
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"Shooting into contention" is very, very difficult when you're hamstrung by 2 humongous contracts for players who aren't quite good enough.
 
This salary escalation is nuts! At this rate, teams will be unable to put more than 8 guys in uniform without breaking the lux tax barrier.
 
Chris Craig said:
NBA teams were hurt bad by the pandemic in losing revenue and are overreacting in signing players to these god awful extensions to try and ensure their future investment. But, they are making a big mistake because they are driving up the monetary value of role players who should never get such contracts.
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The contracts given out dont change the total money players receive as its 50/50 split of revenue.
 
Latest ESPN power rankings:
9. Portland Trail Blazers
When we last saw them ...
The Blazers were one of the darlings of the bubble, with Damian Lillard taking on all comers with 40-foot bombs. They took Game 1 from the Lakers and looked dangerous as a true playoff Cinderella, until Lillard injured his knee and thereby ended Portland's season. The Lakers won four straight and the Blazers left the bubble looking toward this season, where they will hopefully be healthy, deeper and built to compete at the upper level of the West.

Win-loss projections

  • ESPN Forecast: 41-31

  • BPI: 40-32

  • FiveThirtyEight: 39-33

  • Caesars: 40.5 wins | Title odds: +3500
Trail Blazers in NBArank

Breakout candidate: Gary Trent Jr.

Trent had a breakout bubble, and with soaring confidence and teammates looking to get him shots, he could be poised for a big season as a 3-and-D wing. The Blazers are deeper at his position with the additions of Robert Covington and Derrick Jones Jr., but Trent could play a significant role off the bench for Portland.

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How the Blazers are looking to improve their defense
The Trail Blazers are hoping they will be better on the defensive end with the additions of Derrick Jones Jr. and Robert Covington.

Pivot point for 2020-21: How long will Portland run it back?

The Trail Blazers have been a picture of stability in the West over the past decade, with the same GM, same coach and same star player. In the modern NBA, that's weirdly rare. And while the Blazers take immense pride in their sustained success (they're second behind the Rockets for the longest active playoff streak), there's always the pressure to push forward.

Lillard has been one of the most reasonable stars in the league when it comes to loyalty and collaboration with his organization, and the Blazers took steps this offseason to improve. They cashed in some draft capital to add Covington, Jones and Enes Kanter and returned Rodney Hood from injury. They have their core of Lillard, CJ McCollum and Jusuf Nurkic, a trio that has one of the best net ratings in the league together.

Their bubble run established momentum and belief this team could return to the elite levels of the 2018-19 season, when it went to the Western Conference finals, but there are never any guarantees. The West is deep, and the Blazers fell in a hole last season because of a rash of injuries. If they start slow and start getting lost in the bottom half of the West again, does patience begin to run thin? Is there a major lever GM Neil Olshey would be willing to pull?

-- Young
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id...ew-rankings-projections-2020-21-opening-night
 
Chris Craig said:
Gary's price tag this offseason just went through the roof. No way we are going to be able to pay him unless we move CJ
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Depends. If he keeps playing the way he has, I doubt the Blazers will have much competition for him.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Depends. If he keeps playing the way he has, I doubt the Blazers will have much competition for him.
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I take that as he is playing pretty well and the Blazers can keep him if they choose to.
If Trent plays that well the Blazers would be stupid to let him go.
 
handiman said:
Portland was actually one of the more profitable franchises back then. (#3?) It wasn't till the fan base turned in the Jail Blazer era that the purse strings tightened, as I recall. So, PA wasn't negatively impacted at all by those free-spending ways.
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Negatively impacted? Put into perspective, Paul could have heated his mansion by fueling his fireplace with the then 100Mil-ish yearly Blazer salary every night for years. For him it was couch change. Without fans in the stands, the 2020-21 Warriors are paying 1.5x more in just the Luxury tax and theres barely a collective peep about it.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Negatively impacted? Put into perspective, Paul could have heated his mansion by fueling his fireplace with the then 100Mil-ish yearly Blazer salary every night for years. For him it was couch change. Without fans in the stands, the 2020-21 Warriors are paying 1.5x more in just the Luxury tax and theres barely a collective peep about it.

STOMP
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It wasn't even couch change, though. He was turning a healthy profit in the early to mid-Whitsitt days. It was only the tail end of that era where he had to pinch couch pennies.

It also coincided with his net worth dropping some 75%. Sure, $10B is still nice, but how many people in the history of the world can say they lost $30B?

I almost brought up the Warriors as a similar example to the late-'90s early-'00s Blazers. Their championship run made them so profitable, they'll spend whatever it takes to keep things rolling. It's all about franchise profit, not owner wealth. Pro sports owners (or ownership groups) are no different than the average person, in that they never want to see their savings go down, regardless of how large or small they are.
 
STOMP said:
Negatively impacted? Put into perspective, Paul could have heated his mansion by fueling his fireplace with the then 100Mil-ish yearly Blazer salary every night for years. For him it was couch change. Without fans in the stands, the 2020-21 Warriors are paying 1.5x more in just the Luxury tax and theres barely a collective peep about it.

STOMP
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Paul could have, but it doesn't mean he would decide that's the best use of his wealth. He said he decided he wouldn't go back to doing that because there is cancer research and more worthwhile uses of wealth.

Warren Buffet drove a couple thousand grand car and lives in a house worth less than a million. Obviously he could afford anything.

Many billionaires live a lifestyle the same as if they had a fraction of their wealth, such as NBA players earning millions. Obviously its still a super luxurious life. But billionaires don't always throw around huge sums of money, even if they could.
 
Seriously, if the NBA's going to have 2K crowd noise they need to turn it up. Kind of sounds like your on a golf course almost.
 
Wow, it's almost a pity nobody's ever been a fan of the Brooklyn Nets, because those fans might be pretty happy right now.
 
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