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BlazerBender said:
Okay, we are going to end this thought that early games don't matter, right now.

Lets run the clock back a decade and look at the yearly champs and how they did.....

11-12 Heat go....8-1, 16-5, 28-7, 45-17
12-13 Heat go....12-3, 28-12, 56-14
13-14 Spurs go....13-1, 31-8, 59-16
14-15 Warriors go....21-2, 31-5, 43-9
15-16 Cavaliers go....8-1, 13-4, 27-9, 40-14
16-17 Warriors go....13-2, 27-4, 43-7
17-18 Warriors go....11-3, 26-6, 40-10
18-19 Raptors go....12-1, 20-4, 33-12, 44-16
19-20 Lakers go....17-2, 33-7, 45-12
20-21 Bucks go...11-6, 16-8, 29-14, 43-24
21-22 Warriors go...11-1, 18-2, 29-7, 41-13


The Bucks are the ONLY team that can even be considered as early games not mattering, but then they went on to an 18-8 record the next 26 games after starting 11-6. I think most any Blazer fan would be ecstatic with a start like that and be talking nonstop about the parade.

It sure looks like if a team wants to win it all, they need to win the early games and they matter just as much, if not more so than later games.

To put it another way, it's much harder to play catch up than to maintain a lead.

Now can we put this silly notion that early games in November and December don't matter? The past decade of champs would disagree with you....
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They don't matter. Nice try though. :)
 
BlazerBender said:
Okay, we are going to end this thought that early games don't matter, right now.

Lets run the clock back a decade and look at the yearly champs and how they did.....

11-12 Heat go....8-1, 16-5, 28-7, 45-17
12-13 Heat go....12-3, 28-12, 56-14
13-14 Spurs go....13-1, 31-8, 59-16
14-15 Warriors go....21-2, 31-5, 43-9
15-16 Cavaliers go....8-1, 13-4, 27-9, 40-14
16-17 Warriors go....13-2, 27-4, 43-7
17-18 Warriors go....11-3, 26-6, 40-10
18-19 Raptors go....12-1, 20-4, 33-12, 44-16
19-20 Lakers go....17-2, 33-7, 45-12
20-21 Bucks go...11-6, 16-8, 29-14, 43-24
21-22 Warriors go...11-1, 18-2, 29-7, 41-13


The Bucks are the ONLY team that can even be considered as early games not mattering, but then they went on to an 18-8 record the next 26 games after starting 11-6. I think most any Blazer fan would be ecstatic with a start like that and be talking nonstop about the parade.

It sure looks like if a team wants to win it all, they need to win the early games and they matter just as much, if not more so than later games.

To put it another way, it's much harder to play catch up than to maintain a lead.

Now can we put this silly notion that early games in November and December don't matter? The past decade of champs would disagree with you....
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Nice analysis, but only half the story. At best you've shown that early success is NECESSARY for overall success, but you haven't shown that it's SUFFICIENT. To do that you'd need to find all the teams that had early winning records and show their final record. We're obviously not going to win a title, so that's more relevant to us. Here's betting there's a ton of teams that started hot and cratered.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Nice analysis, but only half the story. At best you've shown that early success is NECESSARY for overall success, but you haven't shown that it's SUFFICIENT. To do that you'd need to find all the teams that had early winning records and show their final record. We're obviously not going to win a title, so that's more relevant to us. Here's betting there's a ton of teams that started hot and cratered.
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Not really.
It shows that every team that won a championship in the last 10 years started well and ended well.
Nothing more. Nothing less. Putting a "Cratered" spin on it doesn't matter whatsoever.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Nice analysis, but only half the story. At best you've shown that early success is NECESSARY for overall success, but you haven't shown that it's SUFFICIENT. To do that you'd need to find all the teams that had early winning records and show their final record. We're obviously not going to win a title, so that's more relevant to us. Here's betting there's a ton of teams that started hot and cratered.
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Sure. If you want to completely change the point. My analysis is complete. It matters not how many teams start hot and end cold.
The more apt cross analysis would be finding teams that started poorly and then ended hot enough to win it all.
i couldn't find one in the last decade. Not even a barely .500 start to then win it all.

The floating opinion is that games in November and December don't matter.
I think i have sufficiently proven that to win it all, they absolutely matter.
The rest about other teams that start hot and fail is just semantics. They will always exist as well.
However, find me a team that started out 10-15 or 20-20 and won it all. That would be valid rebuttal. If it has happened its extremely rare and likely in a different era of basketball.

The notion early games don't matter and we can get hot late and win it all, is mostly a pipe dream. History shows it.
 
Lakers will probably land either Zach LaVine or DeMar Derozen along with Nikola Vucevic. I could see the Bulls having interest in Westbrook if they blow up the team.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Lakers will probably land either Zach LaVine or DeMar Derozen along with Nikola Vucevic. I could see the Bulls having interest in Westbrook if they blow up the team.
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Probably NOT. The only way they're getting any one of those (and of them I think the least likely is local boy DeRozan) is if they give up both the picks they're jealously guarding. And now Davis is out indefinitely, they're more likely to sit on their hands, I think.
 
Lol lebrons shoe flew off on a game trying possession with 6 seconds left. Lakers lose.
 
LeBron may have lost his shoe and that may be the headline but he got Shroder a wide open three despite losing his shoe and it's not on the King that his teammate didn't make the open shot.
 
I missed the Brandon Roy era where the Blazers always plays on Xmas Day
 
LOL- Fully healthy Memphis gets killed by Warriors. Everyone in the West sucks. Winning next Friday would be impressive.
 
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