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Pinwheel1 said:
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With a minimum of 70 attempts, Ben Simmons' 34.2% free throw percentage this postseason is the worst in a postseason in NBA history.

I know that sounds bad, but I love it. It is exactly what the Blazers needed. We needed Simmons and Philly to embarrass themselves against an underdog ATL team And they did. Seems like a good time to try to pry him away. And also a good motivation for Ben to work on his FTs. He did shoot 61% this year so it's not like he was at 32% for the year.
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Just have the Schonz on repeat telling him he has to make his free throws.
 
pougie said:
He was exposed because he’s not a real PG. Ben with Dame as the PG, totally different discussion.
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Not really. He ain't moving to center. He isn't big enough. Gobert, Ayton, Davis, Jokic hell even Nurk would walk over him.
If you put him at PF. Then you basically have Aminu again. Every defense sagging off him and cruising the lanes daring him to shoot the ball.
Simmons makes your offense 4 on 5. The only thing that is going to help is him getting into the gym and making a commitment to making free throws and then somehow someway becoming a respectable 3 point shooter.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Yeah, I saw him on the bench next to Curry who was there because he got lit up by Huerter. But like I said in other posts, yes he would have to improve his FT's.
And I find it very hard to believe he couldn't. Simmons IMO would be a high-risk high reward target.
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Yep.
He has to make that commitment to improve. He needs to make free throws. Even 70% would be good enough.
Then he needs to be respectable from three. 33% from the corner at least.
This is Ben Simmons we are talking about. 24 years old. He can work hard and improve but at this point you don't give up CJ for him. No way in my book.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Not really. He ain't moving to center. He isn't big enough. Gobert, Ayton, Davis, Jokic hell even Nurk would walk over him.
If you put him at PF. Then you basically have Aminu again. Every defense sagging off him and cruising the lanes daring him to shoot the ball.
Simmons makes your offense 4 on 5. The only thing that is going to help is him getting into the gym and making a commitment to making free throws and then somehow someway becoming a respectable 3 point shooter.
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He’s 6’ 11” 240.
 
Mediocre Man said:
He’s 6’ 11” 240.
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I could be wrong. He might make the transition?
Still he needs to work on free throws and it would help if he could actually shoot from somewhere on the court.
I also doubt he is truly 6-11.
Standing next to Embiid. He doesn’t look it.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Not really. He ain't moving to center. He isn't big enough. Gobert, Ayton, Davis, Jokic hell even Nurk would walk over him.
If you put him at PF. Then you basically have Aminu again. Every defense sagging off him and cruising the lanes daring him to shoot the ball.
Simmons makes your offense 4 on 5. The only thing that is going to help is him getting into the gym and making a commitment to making free throws and then somehow someway becoming a respectable 3 point shooter.
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Rudy Gobert couldn’t walk over a slug.
Ayton isn’t exactly an offensive juggernaut either.
Jokic destroyed Nurk too. And I actually like Simmons on Jokic more than Nurk.
Nurk wouldn’t walk over a slug with his stupid ass floaters.
Anthony Davis is longer than Simmons but it’s not like Simmons is 200lbs. Dude is 240+
let’s not be unrealistic about his skills. He can defend his ass off. The problem is entirely offensively.
Also imagine those centers trying to guard him (if he managed to attack the basket again.) Nurk would foul out in a quarter
 
JoshuaHall said:
Rudy Gobert couldn’t walk over a slug.
Ayton isn’t exactly an offensive juggernaut either.
Jokic destroyed Nurk too. And I actually like Simmons on Jokic more than Nurk.
Nurk wouldn’t walk over a slug with his stupid ass floaters.
Anthony Davis is longer than Simmons but it’s not like Simmons is 200lbs. Dude is 240+
let’s not be unrealistic about his skills. He can defend his ass off. The problem is entirely offensively.
Also imagine those centers trying to guard him (if he managed to attack the basket again.) Nurk would foul out in a quarter
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If all this was true then why have they been playing him where he is playing?
Next question-
If all this is true why is everyone even having this conversation about a #1 pick?

I get it. He plays good defense no question. My point is and has always been that he needs to start working on his offensive game. I happen to think he can improve but he needs to get on it quickly!
 
“However, what price would Boston be willing to pay for a guy in Simmons who has shown consistent flaws in the postseason time and time again with his lack of floor spacing and subpar free throw shooting. The Celtics certainly aren’t offering their All-Stars for him and would need to include a big contract to make the money work…making Al Horford the piece probably needed in the deal to make the money matching work. Philadelphia could probably field better offers than that, even if Boston sweetened the deal with other young players. However, I doubt the Celtics would be eager to include much other young talent since the remaining four years and $140 million on Simmons’ deal suddenly looks like an albatross. Avoiding that deal altogether is probably Boston’s best bet since adding him would keep them from having cap room or the ability to add a key piece to their young core anytime soon.”

https://www.masslive.com/celtics/20...ll-trade-ben-simmons-available-in-a-deal.html
 
Fairly-Hard said:
If all this was true then why have they been playing him where he is playing?
Next question-
If all this is true why is everyone even having this conversation about a #1 pick?

I get it. He plays good defense no question. My point is and has always been that he needs to start working on his offensive game. I happen to think he can improve but he needs to get on it quickly!
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Because they have a guy by the name of Joel Embiid on the roster? I think that’s probably why.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-...-problems-news-rumors-joel-embiid-doc-rivers/

This Philly media member points out he can’t stay because his best fit is… small ball center.

I mean a lot of #1 picks have been busts or very, very bad. That is not Ben Simmons. I just wouldn’t want to touch that contract with a ten foot pole.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
He's bad against a guy bigger than him; just like CJ. Well, actually CJ is bad against just about everyone.
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This isn’t a comparison between players.
I was curious if Aldo was going to mention how Curry got benched because he was getting worked by Huerter.
No mention of CJ and not sure why you’re bringing him up unnecessarily.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Yep.
He has to make that commitment to improve. He needs to make free throws. Even 70% would be good enough.
Then he needs to be respectable from three. 33% from the corner at least.
This is Ben Simmons we are talking about. 24 years old. He can work hard and improve but at this point you don't give up CJ for him. No way in my book.
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The thing I like about Simmons is that he understands his limitations. Giannis on the other hand has put up a couple hundred 3 pt shots each of the last 2 years. (At 30%.) Simmons was 3-10 this year (Also 30%) Giannis is often in the running for the league's MVP. I think Giannis is better but by how much? I am not seeing a huge difference between the two.

Blazer fans have been begging for a player like Simmons for a few years now.
a 6'11" player who can handle the ball like a good PG and defend every position? I am talking myself into loving the possibility. Even if he can't shoot.
I like the option of closing out games with him and 4 shooters. (Dame, Simons, NP, and Roco (Or Little or Collins if either can take a step forward next year)
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
I 'm gonna go on record as opposing a CJ for Simmons trade. I think we can do better.
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We can't even do that well - Morey is going to wait for the hubbub to die down and people will remember what Simmons CAN do as well as what he can't.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
The thing I like about Simmons is that he understands his limitations. Giannis on the other hand has put up a couple hundred 3 pt shots each of the last 2 years. (At 30%.) Simmons was 3-10 this year (Also 30%) Giannis is often in the running for the league's MVP. I think Giannis is better but by how much? I am not seeing a huge difference between the two.

Blazer fans have been begging for a player like Simmons for a few years now.
a 6'11" player who can handle the ball like a good PG and defend every position? I am talking myself into loving the possibility. Even if he can't shoot.
I like the option of closing out games with him and 4 shooters. (Dame, Simons, NP, and Roco (Or Little or Collins if either can take a step forward next year)
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Ben Simmons averages 14/7/7 with a PER of 18
Giannis averages 28/11/6 with a PER of 29.
Giannis is so much better than Ben Simmons that … I don’t even know where to begin. It’s not even a comparison really.
And despite Giannis jacking 3s, he still has a better TS% than Simmons who supposedly understands his limitations.
Defensively they’re about equal.
Offensively Giannis is so far superior (1 less assist, much higher usage, but also turns the ball over less) that it’s a wide gulf between the two.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
We can't even do that well - Morey is going to wait for the hubbub to die down and people will remember what Simmons CAN do as well as what he can't.
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So you think people are gonna forget this whole thing in a couple months? Highly, highly doubtful.
And if they’re trading him based on what he CAN do, then they’ll get a package that is in line with CJ. Rather than Harden or Kawhi.
 
JoshuaHall said:
Ben Simmons averages 14/7/7 with a PER of 18
Giannis averages 28/11/6 with a PER of 29.
Giannis is so much better than Ben Simmons that … I don’t even know where to begin. It’s not even a comparison really.
And despite Giannis jacking 3s, he still has a better TS% than Simmons who supposedly understands his limitations.
Defensively they’re about equal.
Offensively Giannis is so far superior (1 less assist, much higher usage, but also turns the ball over less) that it’s a wide gulf between the two.
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they're different players. this is an apples-oranges.

the guy to compare Ben to is Draymond. Giannis is a guy you can run an offense through-- that's not Simmons, not now anyway.
 
Simmons at center is much better in theory than practice...at least from what we've seen so far.

Doesn't box out and not an instinctive rim protector. Best defensive trait is still his ability to switch and guard smaller players.

If we somehow end up with Ben, I do like him alongside Zach leading bench units.
 
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