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Yes he has.

Please sit there and tell me this is not political.

Whatever you need, I'm here for you: This is not political.

Paying someone money for an NDA isn't even a crime. If it were a campaign reporting crime, that's under the jurisdiction of the FEC who looked at this and said it wasn't an issue. The funds have to be objectively for a campaign thing like a rally or mailings etc.

How do you explain Michael Cohen going to jail if no crime was committed?

This would be like if Michele Obama got a boob job right in South Carolina before the 2028 election and gone prosecuted by the DA of South Carolina for felonies for not reporting it as being for her campainge.

Great analogy. Yes, if there was evidence that she got a boob job to influence the election, and didn't report it as a campaign contribution, and further reported it as legal expense of her business in South Carolina, then she could and should be prosecuted.

Does South Carolina have evidence she did any of those things? It does not, because she's not a stupid fucking criminal like Donald Trump.

barfo
 
Trump Denies Ever Saying 'Lock Her Up.'

In an interview on Fox & Friends, filmed 48 hours after he was convicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records, Donald Trump attempted to re-write history. Now that he is facing legal consequences for paying hush money to adult film actress Stormy Daniels, the former president is denying he ever said, “Lock her up,” about Hillary Clinton, his 2016 opponent.
“You famously said regarding Hillary Clinton, ‘Lock her up.’ You declined to do that as president,” said Fox host Will Cain, implying that the president has control over who is prosecuted.

“I beat her,” Trump replied. “It’s easier when you win. They always said, ‘Lock her up.’ And I could have done it, but I felt it would have been a terrible thing. And then this happened to me, so I may feel differently about it. I can’t tell you, I’m not sure I can answer the question,” Trump hemmed and hawed.

He continued, “Hillary Clinton — I didn’t say, ‘Lock her up,’ but the people would all say, ‘Lock her up, lock her up.’ OK. Then we won, and I said pretty openly, I’d say, ‘Alright, come on, just relax. Let’s go. We gotta make our country great.'”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...denies-saying-lock-her-up-clinton-1235031145/
 
Convicted felon and sex abuser Trump is not without a friend in the world. Putin, Xi and Orbanz have all expressed support for him. No word yet from Kim Jong Un or the "wonderful person" Hannibal Lecter.
 
Trump Denies Ever Saying 'Lock Her Up.'

In an interview on Fox & Friends, filmed 48 hours after he was convicted on 34 counts of falsifying business records, Donald Trump attempted to re-write history. Now that he is facing legal consequences for paying hush money to adult film actress Stormy Daniels, the former president is denying he ever said, “Lock her up,” about Hillary Clinton, his 2016 opponent.
“You famously said regarding Hillary Clinton, ‘Lock her up.’ You declined to do that as president,” said Fox host Will Cain, implying that the president has control over who is prosecuted.

“I beat her,” Trump replied. “It’s easier when you win. They always said, ‘Lock her up.’ And I could have done it, but I felt it would have been a terrible thing. And then this happened to me, so I may feel differently about it. I can’t tell you, I’m not sure I can answer the question,” Trump hemmed and hawed.

He continued, “Hillary Clinton — I didn’t say, ‘Lock her up,’ but the people would all say, ‘Lock her up, lock her up.’ OK. Then we won, and I said pretty openly, I’d say, ‘Alright, come on, just relax. Let’s go. We gotta make our country great.'”

https://www.rollingstone.com/politi...denies-saying-lock-her-up-clinton-1235031145/

He said, "lock her up," every chance he got.
 
Peter Doocy (autocorrect changed to Idiocy) of Fox "News" tried to gotcha President Biden. First question, will verdict help Trump? Biden: I have no idea. Second question, are you worried the same could happen to you? Biden: not at all, I did nothing wrong. Third question: did you orchestrate this to bring Trump down? Biden: laughing, I wish I was that powerful.
 
Has he? He was doing business in NY for 40+ years and never had charges filed against him, now suddenly he's being dogpiled with nonsense.

Trump has an Icarus-type problem. Nobody cared too much about his corruption when he was just a real estate sleazebag, or when he was a reality show sleazebag. But he flew too high and his luck ran out. I don't know if his (dead) dad warned him not to, but he should have known that such a bright light would melt his wings.

And that is because there is a great public interest in trying to root out corruption in public office. A simple look at this forum will tell you that. People of all stripes here complain about corrupt politicians, vastly fewer complain about corrupt real estate developers or corrupt TV stars.

And while he's never had a criminal conviction before, he's been found liable for quite a few instances of misconduct in the past. Off the top of my head:
Trump University fraud
Trump charity fraud
Trump Org fraud
E. Jean Carroll rape/defamation

And then there are all his criminal associates sentenced to prison: Cohen, Manafort, Stone, the coffee boy, Bannon, Navarro, Gates, Weisselberg

barfo
 
Trump has an Icarus-type problem. Nobody cared too much about his corruption when he was just a real estate sleazebag, or when he was a reality show sleazebag. But he flew too high and his luck ran out. I don't know if his (dead) dad warned him not to, but he should have known that such a bright light would melt his wings.

And that is because there is a great public interest in trying to root out corruption in public office. A simple look at this forum will tell you that. People of all stripes here complain about corrupt politicians, vastly fewer complain about corrupt real estate developers or corrupt TV stars.

And while he's never had a criminal conviction before, he's been found liable for quite a few instances of misconduct in the past. Off the top of my head:
Trump University fraud
Trump charity fraud
Trump Org fraud
E. Jean Carroll rape/defamation

And then there are all his criminal associates sentenced to prison: Cohen, Manafort, Stone, the coffee boy, Bannon, Navarro, Gates, Weisselberg

barfo
But Trump is innocent of all charges - we know this to be true because Trump himself told us that!
 
Well, you are in Wyoming, a place where even Liz Cheney is too damn lib'rul.



Nah. We are quite willing to call out our own when they deserve it. Lots of people here think Biden is doing all the wrong things w.r.t. Gaza.
No one would dream of defending Bob Menendez. Etc.



That's correct.



Or maybe it's when you start saying things that don't make sense. The opposite of 'establishment' isn't 'nonsense'.



Thanks for sharing.

barfo
Thanks for sharing.
 
Convicted felon and sex abuser Trump is not without a friend in the world. Putin, Xi and Orbanz have all expressed support for him. No word yet from Kim Jong Un or the "wonderful person" Hannibal Lecter.
I’d rather have someone in office who got along with those countries leaders than one actively trying to start wars with them. Crazy, i know. But alas, i constantly have to remind myself modern liberals ain’t about this “not starting wars ” bullshit.
 
I’d rather have someone in office who got along with those countries leaders than one actively trying to start wars with them. Crazy, i know. But alas, i constantly have to remind myself modern liberals ain’t about this “not starting wars ” bullshit.
I've seen no evidence of Biden attempting to start wars with any of them.

I'd much prefer a president who pushes back against authoritarian despots than one who supports and has the support of said despots.

The fact that those kinds don't like Biden makes me feel better about voting for Biden.
 
I’d rather have someone in office who got along with those countries leaders than one actively trying to start wars with them. Crazy, i know. But alas, i constantly have to remind myself modern liberals ain’t about this “not starting wars ” bullshit.

You'd rather have a president that kowtows to dictators?

The last thing most liberals want is war.

The war in middle east would be happening under Trump too, and it would be far bloodier.

I don't agree with how Biden has handled it, I don't like what's going on over there. Too many civilians in the crossfire.

As for Ukraine, sometimes war is necessary even if it's not wanted. Putin started that war, he attacked Ukraine, a sovereign nation, to try and take it over. We have not sent soldiers. That has been the right move. We have funded them...that has also been the right move. It's been costly, but you can't just let a dictator waltz into another country and take it over because it won't stop there.
 
You'd rather have a president that kowtows to dictators?
Works with, not kowtows
The last thing most liberals want is war.
They aren’t very good at showing it.
The war in middle east would be happening under Trump too, and it would be far bloodier
You have no way to prove this, you’re just saying a thing.
I don't agree with how Biden has handled it, I don't like what's going on over there. Too many civilians in the crossfire.
Let’s give him a pass.
As for Ukraine, sometimes war is necessary even if it's not wanted. Putin started that war, he attacked Ukraine, a sovereign nation, to try and take it over. We have not sent soldiers. That has been the right move. We have funded them...that has also been the right move. It's been costly, but you can't just let a dictator waltz into another country and take it over because it won't stop there
Half a million dead young men that wouldn’t have been otherwise. That’s it. That’s the sum of all the parts. Ukraine has lost by every logical metric and will soon surrender with nothing to show for it.
 
Works with, not kowtows

They aren’t very good at showing it.

You have no way to prove this, you’re just saying a thing.

Let’s give him a pass.

Half a million dead young men that wouldn’t have been otherwise. That’s it. That’s the sum of all the parts. Ukraine has lost by every logical metric and will soon surrender with nothing to show for it.
Russia's latest pushes using walls of outdated tanks have made no progress, with Ukrainian defenders killing more Russians aggressors by rates of 5-6 to 1.

Restrictions have been lifted on Ukrainians attacking Russia using western weapons in the Belgorod area and they have absolutely UNLOADED on it.

We'll soon see French troops operating inside Ukraine.

Europe is about done with Russia's bullshit.
 
The gaslighting old party is at it again.

Implying Liberals are in favor of war...
 
Remember those Trump Bibles with Constitution, which he hasn't read, and lyrics to God Bless the USA?

Conclusion of Book of Revelation chapter 22 verse 18, after claiming this is complete and final word:

If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

Doesn't specifically say 34 felony convictions...
 
I certainly am tired of having my taxes support all these billionaires. I am all for it. That way, if I pay for his prison cell, maybe I get some rubber boots or something from China for it.

I'm sure they will send you a Temu order.
 
Bombshell Report Reveals Team Trump Is Rewarding Key Trial Witnesses
A new report shows witnesses who testify at Donald Trump’s criminal trials are receiving some very nice financial perks.

Donald Trump’s campaign and the Trump Organization paid off nine witnesses called to testify in criminal cases against Trump, an explosive new report from ProPublica reveals. Witnesses who testified in defense of Trump for his numerous criminal cases received massive raises, new jobs, cushy severance packages, and more, all conveniently coinciding with being called to testify or after providing testimony favorable to Trump—and the excuses from Team Trump couldn’t be weaker.

Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, told ProPublica witness tampering is often difficult to prove because the gimmick is often not done explicitly. But the trend could assist prosecutors in their efforts to call into question the credibility of witnesses testifying in Trump’s defense for his innumerable legal battles.

In response to queries by ProPublica, team Trump claimed the nine witnesses who all saw big raises and flashy new jobs simply took on more work. The campaign also insisted Trump, who notoriously insists on controlling every facet of his organizations, has no say in who gets promoted or how much they’re paid. “The president is not involved in the decision-making process,” a Trump campaign official told ProPublica. “I would argue Trump doesn’t know what we’re paid.”

Steven Cheung, a spokesperson for Trump’s campaign, questionably asserted in a statement to ProPublica that “the 2024 Trump campaign is the most well-run and professional operation in political history.” Cheung continued, “Any false assertion that we’re engaging in any type of behavior that may be regarded as tampering is absurd and completely fake.” ProPublica also reports the outlet received a cease-and-desist from David Warrington, Trump’s attorney, against publishing its findings, promising that “President Trump will evaluate all legal remedies.” According to ProPublica’s findings, those legal remedies seem to conveniently trend toward doling out big payments to people called to testify on Trump’s behalf.

According to records reviewed by ProPublica, monthly payments from Trump’s campaign to Trump lawyer Boris Epshteyn’s company—which appears to be just a one-man show—more than doubled after Trump was indicted—jumping from $26,000 a month to $53,500 a month. The Trump campaign told ProPublica the increase was due to Epshteyn’s workload increasing, even though Epshteyn has continued taking contracts for other campaigns and landed a job as a managing director at a financial securities firm elsewhere.

Susie Wiles, senior adviser to Trump’s 2024 campaign who allegedly witnessed Trump showing off classified documents, also saw a big bump in pay after being called to a grand jury and before Trump’s indictment in that case. Her pay jumped from $25,000 a month to $30,000 a month and her consulting firm received a hefty $75,000, according to ProPublica. Team Trump claims payments to the consulting firm were simply backpay and her raise was because she “redid her contract.” Her daughter Caroline was hired by the Trump campaign a few months later, receiving a salary of $222,000 and becoming the fourth-highest-paid campaign staffer. Caroline told ProPublica she got the job “because I earned it,” telling ProPublica, “I don’t think it has anything to do with Susie,” referring to her mother. Meanwhile, her mother stated she directly hired her nepobaby daughter and that Trump had no influence in that decision.

Dan Scavino, a political adviser and Trump’s former chief of staff, was given a seat on Truth Social’s board, Trump’s social media company. His appointment landed between him being subpoenaed and giving testimony to Congress about Trump’s role in the January 6 Capitol riot. Scavino also received a $600,000 retention bonus and “a $4 million ‘executive promissory note’ paid in shares” at some point, according to ProPublica. Conveniently, Scavino’s testimony around the Capitol riot produced no “significant new information,” according to ProPublica.

Allen Weisselberg, a retired Trump Organization chief financial officer who was recently convicted of lying for Trump, received a $2 million severance agreement four months after New York Attorney General Letitia James sued Trump for real estate fraud. The agreement included a clause preventing Weisselberg from cooperating with investigators unless forced to do so. According to court records, prosecutors in Trump’s hush-money trial raised the agreement for why they wouldn’t call him to testify, noting, “The agreement seems to preclude us from talking to him or him talking to us at the risk of losing $750,000 of outstanding severance pay.”

Witness payoffs are nothing new for team Trump, which has a history of campaign staff getting convicted for federal witness tampering: Roger Stone, Trump’s 2016 campaign adviser, directed a witness to lie to a Senate committee. Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager, was convicted for colluding with Russia after previously being convicted for witness tampering. Trump pardoned both, as well as Jared Kushner’s father, in his final days in office.

https://newrepublic.com/post/182166/report-reveals-team-trump-reward-key-trial-witnesses
 
Remember those Trump Bibles with Constitution, which he hasn't read, and lyrics to God Bless the USA?

Conclusion of Book of Revelation chapter 22 verse 18, after claiming this is complete and final word:

If any man shall add to these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

Doesn't specifically say 34 felony convictions...

9 plagues to go.
 
In 2020 Mike Johnson and Jim Jordan denounced calls to defund police due to killing of Black people. Today both threatened to defund Department of Justice in protest over conviction of Trump (which was in state court and Department of Justice had nothing to do with it).
 
Bombshell Report Reveals Team Trump Is Rewarding Key Trial Witnesses
A new report shows witnesses who testify at Donald Trump’s criminal trials are receiving some very nice financial perks.

Donald Trump’s campaign and the Trump Organization paid off nine witnesses called to testify in criminal cases against Trump, an explosive new report from ProPublica reveals. Witnesses who testified in defense of Trump for his numerous criminal cases received massive raises, new jobs, cushy severance packages, and more, all conveniently coinciding with being called to testify or after providing testimony favorable to Trump—and the excuses from Team Trump couldn’t be weaker.

Barbara McQuade, a former U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan, told ProPublica witness tampering is often difficult to prove because the gimmick is often not done explicitly. But the trend could assist prosecutors in their efforts to call into question the credibility of witnesses testifying in Trump’s defense for his innumerable legal battles.

In response to queries by ProPublica, team Trump claimed the nine witnesses who all saw big raises and flashy new jobs simply took on more work. The campaign also insisted Trump, who notoriously insists on controlling every facet of his organizations, has no say in who gets promoted or how much they’re paid. “The president is not involved in the decision-making process,” a Trump campaign official told ProPublica. “I would argue Trump doesn’t know what we’re paid.”

Steven Cheung, a spokesperson for Trump’s campaign, questionably asserted in a statement to ProPublica that “the 2024 Trump campaign is the most well-run and professional operation in political history.” Cheung continued, “Any false assertion that we’re engaging in any type of behavior that may be regarded as tampering is absurd and completely fake.” ProPublica also reports the outlet received a cease-and-desist from David Warrington, Trump’s attorney, against publishing its findings, promising that “President Trump will evaluate all legal remedies.” According to ProPublica’s findings, those legal remedies seem to conveniently trend toward doling out big payments to people called to testify on Trump’s behalf.

According to records reviewed by ProPublica, monthly payments from Trump’s campaign to Trump lawyer Boris Epshteyn’s company—which appears to be just a one-man show—more than doubled after Trump was indicted—jumping from $26,000 a month to $53,500 a month. The Trump campaign told ProPublica the increase was due to Epshteyn’s workload increasing, even though Epshteyn has continued taking contracts for other campaigns and landed a job as a managing director at a financial securities firm elsewhere.

Susie Wiles, senior adviser to Trump’s 2024 campaign who allegedly witnessed Trump showing off classified documents, also saw a big bump in pay after being called to a grand jury and before Trump’s indictment in that case. Her pay jumped from $25,000 a month to $30,000 a month and her consulting firm received a hefty $75,000, according to ProPublica. Team Trump claims payments to the consulting firm were simply backpay and her raise was because she “redid her contract.” Her daughter Caroline was hired by the Trump campaign a few months later, receiving a salary of $222,000 and becoming the fourth-highest-paid campaign staffer. Caroline told ProPublica she got the job “because I earned it,” telling ProPublica, “I don’t think it has anything to do with Susie,” referring to her mother. Meanwhile, her mother stated she directly hired her nepobaby daughter and that Trump had no influence in that decision.

Dan Scavino, a political adviser and Trump’s former chief of staff, was given a seat on Truth Social’s board, Trump’s social media company. His appointment landed between him being subpoenaed and giving testimony to Congress about Trump’s role in the January 6 Capitol riot. Scavino also received a $600,000 retention bonus and “a $4 million ‘executive promissory note’ paid in shares” at some point, according to ProPublica. Conveniently, Scavino’s testimony around the Capitol riot produced no “significant new information,” according to ProPublica.

Allen Weisselberg, a retired Trump Organization chief financial officer who was recently convicted of lying for Trump, received a $2 million severance agreement four months after New York Attorney General Letitia James sued Trump for real estate fraud. The agreement included a clause preventing Weisselberg from cooperating with investigators unless forced to do so. According to court records, prosecutors in Trump’s hush-money trial raised the agreement for why they wouldn’t call him to testify, noting, “The agreement seems to preclude us from talking to him or him talking to us at the risk of losing $750,000 of outstanding severance pay.”

Witness payoffs are nothing new for team Trump, which has a history of campaign staff getting convicted for federal witness tampering: Roger Stone, Trump’s 2016 campaign adviser, directed a witness to lie to a Senate committee. Paul Manafort, Trump’s campaign manager, was convicted for colluding with Russia after previously being convicted for witness tampering. Trump pardoned both, as well as Jared Kushner’s father, in his final days in office.

https://newrepublic.com/post/182166/report-reveals-team-trump-reward-key-trial-witnesses

Least surprising thing ever.
 
Trump defense attorney Aileen Cannon, who pretends to be the judge, has ruled there must be expanded hearing to determine legality of special counsel. At some unspecified far future date. Legality of special counsel has been upheld some half dozen previous times.
 
I'm kind of hoping she rules the special counsel is invalid, and then maybe main Justice can refile the case in DC.

barfo
 

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