Sorry to reply so late, Tribute. I had Regents to study for.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont like Curry but I'd rather have him over Fyre and no you cant imagine how much I dont like Fyre. Why wouldnt they make things up? There were serious concerns about his body frame this whole season and how much weight he could put on without sacrificing mobility. Then all of a sudden he's added twenty or so pounds of muscle and is more explosive than before?? Does that make sense to you? I already told you why his stock went through the roof. Someone said(his agent I believe) he has a top ten guarantee and then all the GM's were like, "Wow! There must be something special about this kid that I missed let's have another look at him!". They take another look at him and say, "Wow! He really is a top ten pick I'm going to use my lottery pick on this guy!", even though its still the exact same guy they had penciled in the late first round. Even you fell for it because now you think since there's all this hoopla around Fyre there must be some substance when there isnt any. And if all that nonsense does indeed turn out to be true I would consider him with my 30th pick(hey its an improvement from considering him with my 54th).</div>
Well do you think you?re letting your personal opinion of Frye affect your decision making? There were definitely some concerns on how much muscle he can gain without losing some of his quickness, but the thing is, he has! If many scouts are saying the same thing, ESPN Insider is reporting this, and even someone on this very site has seen him! He said that Frye is about 270 pounds and benched 185 lbs.19 times. If he was half as bad as you said he was, regardless of what his agent said he still wouldn?t be getting lottery consideration. If that were the case, why couldn?t anyone?s agent say that to boost the stock of their clients? So if Frye were 270 pounds and was more quick and explosive, you would only
consider him with the 30th pick? You do realize that Frye is exactly what you wanted right?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I too believe those Collins' comparisons are unfair. They're unfair to the Collins twins. They at least bang and play good underrated defense. When Jason Collins played college ball I'm pretty sure there werent as many undersized powerforwards and centers(I could be wrong though) so his blocks didnt come as easily as Fyre's.</div>
The Collins twins bang? Since when has this taken place? I always remembered the Collins twins as simply taking jumpers and not being great defenders as you said. Jason Collins is a hack. I don?t think that?s good underrated defense. No, there were the same amount of undersized power forwards in college ball as there is now. Don?t try to take away from Frye?s game. He?s a great shot blocker and with his wingspan and increased vertical, he should be even better.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The jumpshot was the icing on the cake you say??? Where's the bloody cake then??? And I did indeed say Doleac was better for the Knicks than Nazr. And no he still isnt worth it. Besides the fact we can just sign a center with a jumpshot the team is different now than it was before with Doleac. When we had Doleac we also had Kurt Thomas, Van Horn, Houston(later on it became Shandon Anderson) and Marbury. Marbury dominated the ball(he's good at that) and dished the ball whenever someone tried to double team him. And one of the shooters I just mentioned above would nail the open jumper. Now we have Sweetney in our line up which changes things and besides we already have Kurt Thomas who is better than Fyre will ever be. Fyre is afraid of contact he wont be a good low post scorer. We should drop this Fyre garbage, make the promise to Splitter and draft him.
It's funny that you say he'll be useful. The Raptors said that last year about Rafael Araujo and look how that turned out. It's also worth mentioning that they had the 8th pick last year which is the same pick we have this year and your line of thinking is the same line of thinking they had last year.</div>
The team should be even better because now we have an up and coming low post threat in Sweetney, and a 41% three-point shooter in Tim Thomas. If Allan Houston is still healthy, we can include him and Maurice Taylor, and Malik Rose also are able to hit the midrange jumper with consistency. We are on the same level as we were last season in terms of shooting.
That is funny, but I don?t think we?ll be drafting an Araujo. He was able to get by in college ball because he was just big and when you?re that big I think you should be putting up even better numbers. The thing about him was he didn?t have as many tools as Frye does, he was just so big! He was a terrible defender, was 24 years old, unbelievably foul prone, very slow and lacked athleticism, and the list goes on. The biggest and perhaps the only knock on Frye was his body and his focus. He?s fixed both of those problems, so now what?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You're right. Splitter isnt better than Fyre. He's only more intense, far superior individual defender, superior team defender, taller, more athletic, higher basketball IQ, played against better competition(no kids or 6'7" powerforwards in the Euroleague), better passer, better shotblocker, likes to be physical(Fyre's kryptonite), more promising low post game, can play without the ball(unlike Fyre), can put the ball on the floor to attack the basket as well and can play both big positions.</div>
Yes, he is. Frye has become much more intense as shown in the NCAA Tournament and in his workouts. Frye also has a much better jumper than Splitter which would help keep shot blockers out of the paint as you said. Did I mention he can hit the college three with consistency now? It is bound to improve to the NBA three in the near future. Are we still on this NCAA, Euroleague topic? Then you mention no kids in the Euroleague? First of all, Splitter can be considered a kid and the NBA snub, Lonny Baxter dominated Euroleague competition from what I?ve seen. If Diogu was sent overseas I?m more than sure he would be able to dominate Euroleague competition easily. How can Splitter be physical when he?s a toothpick? From what I?ve seen, he gets backed down like nothing in the Euroleague, and overseas, many players aren?t really known for their bodies their either. Basically, Splitter lacking a jumper will allow anyone to play away from him. There is no way he?ll be able to take it back-to-the-basket. Whether Splitter is better athletically, and a better shot-blocker is debatable. Frye does have some nice footwork. I?ve seen some if his moves. I don?t know how true that is.
The things that take place overseas are overrated in my honest opinion. Reports are those who were dubbed as ?super athletic? weren?t as good as advertised once NBA scouts saw them. Players like Garnett and Amare Stoudemire are ahead of him in that department. Also, while stats can be deceiving sometimes, I have yet to see someone who averages 8/4 off the bench as the ?Next Big Thing? as you suggest. Again, I think you?re letting your personal feelings get in the way of who is better and who is not. Splitter can?t dominate a weaker league, and what makes me even more hesitant to draft him with my 8th pick in the draft is him pulling out all the time. Two years ago I heard he performed so badly in workouts he had to pull his name out, last year, I heard the same thing and now he?s doing it yet again. If anyone pulls their name in and out so frequently, I would be pretty suspicious of them as would many other people.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You're absolutely correct. Fyre is better than Splitter. How can all of this stuff that Splitter can do possibly measure up to Fyre's jumper??(loads and loads upon loads of sarcasm) Fyre is WAY OVERRATED. No he is not worth our 30th pick. Randolph Morris is more deserving than him and Lucas Tischer more deserving at our 54th pick(at least they'll go in and mix it up in the paint instead of shoot jumpers all day). Vazquez has a better jumpshot, is a better defender, and is a better finisher around the basket. He is better than Fyre. Fyre is one of the worst big men in this draft. Isiah I'm A Giant Fool Thomas passed up Big Z for Marcus Camby didnt he? Now I love Camby but Big Z is better now and was the better choice all those years ago. So no! I choose not to trust his vaunted "eye for talent".</div>
I think Splitter is way overrated as many other international products. To have all of those tools and a premier power forward in the making, why does he keep on pulling his name in and out? As I said before, Frye is about 270 pounds with a great jumpers, has more than enough moves in the post to get by, he?s playing with more focus, and also has better foot speed and an improved vertical. His jumper has increased dramatically and is bound to keep the opponents out of the paint. Defensively, his wingspan and vertical should improve us defensively drastically especially if we intend on keeping Marbury and Crawford. Lucas Tischer is more deserving at 54th than Frye? As I said earlier, please don?t let the fact that you hate him blind his value to this club. I don?t know if Vazquez has a better jumper. He?s pretty accurate from 15 feet-in, but Frye is hitting NCAA three-pointers and his range is vastly improving. With the way he?s been improving, he should be hitting NBA three-pointers very soon. Frye is not overrated, and I will more than gladly pick him up with my 8th pick after hearing how much he?s improved.
At that time, the Raptors needed a big man and who better than the NCAA Player of the Year, Marcus Camby? You do realize he managed to get the award over Allen Iverson, right? Also whether Ilgauskas is better than Camby is debatable. Personally, I?d take Camby over Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Camby isn?t that much of a scorer, but he?s a much better, rebounder, defender, brings much more energy, hustle and heart to the table. So I think you should stop knocking Isiah like this because he?s made some pretty good draft moves. I don?t see you attacking his Rookie of the Year choice in Damon Stoudamire, or his superstar choice in Tracy McGrady.
Besides, I?ve heard Splitter removed his name from the draft and if this is the case, who would you want to draft? Would you draft the big man who can block shots, run the floor, and has a jumper like we talked about a couple of months ago? He can also post up, and is about 7-feet tall which is a bonus. It?s time to discuss actual scenarios now because unfortunately, Splitter will not be staying.
