Zombie Official Jerami Grant trade rumors/ideas thread

[Rastapopoulos]

I think the Cavs kind of make sense as a team that would be interested in Jerami as they're underperforming and might be at risk of losing Donovan Mitchell if they don't improve in a hurry. The trouble is, they have no picks to trade, essentially, so it would basically be a dump, although I'm interested in Isiah Mobley just because, you know, Summer League MVP. Sounds like somebody Schmidtz (sp) might be intrigued by.

 

[beast blazer]

Why would you want to dump Grant? He has value. That's a god awful trade.

 

[Natebishop3]

Why would you want to dump Grant? He has value. That's a god awful trade.

Yeah, the only way it makes sense to trade Grant is if we have a young power forward that we want to develop.

I'm not seeing that with Walker. He's a nice backup but he's not a starter.

 

[blazerfan11]

Jerami Grant is 9 years younger than Lebron James.

He's not a high-contact high-jumping type of player. He could be doing what he's doing now for many more years.

Grant is very good at handling the ball in space and on the fast break and finishing.

He's also a very good 3-point shooter, and his height and high release make him a good end-of-game catch-and-shoot option.

He fits great with the young players on the team who need that taller guy to throw the ball to in the corner.

What player is going to replace what Grant does at his size?

 

[beast blazer]

Jerami Grant is 9 years younger than Lebron James.

He's not a high-contact high-jumping type of player. He could be doing what he's doing now for many more years.

Grant is very good at handling the ball in space and on the fast break and finishing.

He's also a very good 3-point shooter, and his height and high release make him a good end-of-game catch-and-shoot option.

He fits great with the young players on the team who need that taller guy to throw the ball to in the corner.

What player is going to replace what Grant does at his size?

Players seem to be better about taking care of their bodies these days. He reminds me a bit of Cliff Robinson, who didn't really start declining till 34.

 

[BankTeller]

I think the Cavs kind of make sense as a team that would be interested in Jerami as they're underperforming and might be at risk of losing Donovan Mitchell if they don't improve in a hurry. The trouble is, they have no picks to trade, essentially, so it would basically be a dump, although I'm interested in Isiah Mobley just because, you know, Summer League MVP. Sounds like somebody Schmidtz (sp) might be intrigued by.
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You’re dumping Grant’s salary. Issac isn’t good enough for me to want him to be a long term starter. I would expect two 1sts with that package.

This isn’t even a salary dump, you’re taking on 3 years of Niang and 2 years of Rubio. Niang is just a 3 point shooter. What do we need Rubio for?

 

[Whyachi]

- You’re dumping Grant’s salary.
- I would expect two 1sts with that package.
- What do we need Rubio for?

- the Vulcans like salary dumps.
- agree, Cronin needs picks
- Rubio, a 6m veteran shooting coach for Scoot ?

 

[beast blazer]

- the Vulcans like salary dumps.
- agree, Cronin needs picks
- Rubio, a 6m veteran shooting coach for Scoot ?

I don't think they would have resigned him just to dump his salary. If they did want to dump him, they'd get an expiring, and at least picks/young players with upside.

 

[BankTeller]

- the Vulcans like salary dumps.
- agree, Cronin needs picks
- Rubio, a 6m veteran shooting coach for Scoot ?

- I forgot they like dumping assets for nothing as well. This is dumping an asset for nothing. If they knew Dame was out and wanted to dump salaries, they might as well have not re-signed Grant, cause that deal was a bunch of nothing.
- The original trade proposal didn’t have any picks
- in what world would you want a career 32.4% 3pt shooter to be Scoot’s coach? That’s one expensive shooting coach.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You’re dumping Grant’s salary. Issac isn’t good enough for me to want him to be a long term starter. I would expect two 1sts with that package.

This isn’t even a salary dump, you’re taking on 3 years of Niang and 2 years of Rubio. Niang is just a 3 point shooter. What do we need Rubio for?

These are all the shortest contracts the Cavs have to unload. Niang is not JUST a three point shooter, but that's certainly of value in our system. Rubio has all-but-retired - he probably would if traded. But if not, he'd be the only true PG on our roster and Ayton would probably love to play with him.

It's a pretty shitty offer, true, but it does get rid of a lot of years of Grant's salary, and I can't see many teams other than a desperate near-contender like the Cavs wanting Jerami.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If they knew Dame was out and wanted to dump salaries, they might as well have not re-signed Grant, cause that deal was a bunch of nothing.

Duh, clearly they didn't. Signing Grant was OBVIOUSLY a desperate bid to keep Dame, because he'd more-or-less demanded it.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Yeah, the only way it makes sense to trade Grant is if we have a young power forward that we want to develop.

I'm not seeing that with Walker. He's a nice backup but he's not a starter.

Isn't Camara effectively our PF when he starts next to Grant? You just cannot have a PF who gets 5.3 rebounds per 48(!). Grant is handily out-rebounded by Brogdon! Georges "just a shooter" Niang gets 8.5 rebounds per 48!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

This site has a way of tracking who are effectively the biggest gunners (or rather, players who score but do nothing else) in the league. Here's the chart for this season:



Surprising to see Scoot there, given that he's a pretty crappy scorer, but crappy as he is, he's been doing little else of value up until recently. But Grant is what he is. And what he is is not a PF.

 

[beast blazer]

I think Brogs is gone by the deadline. Grant will be dealt if someone offers something good, but I don't think the Blazers have any sense of urgency in wanting to move him, because we really have nothing at Forward.

But Brogdon is sort of an odd man out with the return if Simons. They're going to want to continue to develop Scoot off the bench.

Brogdon should be in high demand.

 

[BankTeller]

Duh, clearly they didn't. Signing Grant was OBVIOUSLY a desperate bid to keep Dame, because he'd more-or-less demanded it.

You really think the Blazers were unaware of the whole situation and Dame made the choice to demand the request as soon as Grant got the contract? They knew Dame was going to ask out as soon as they selected Scoot, and they gave Grant the extension anyway. They clearly knew Grant has value, and they’re right, because I guarantee you their worst deal will be better than that one.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

For comparison, here are the least-gunnery players:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You really think the Blazers were unaware of the whole situation and Dame made the choice to demand the request as soon as Grant got the contract? They knew Dame was going to ask out as soon as they selected Scoot, and they gave Grant the extension anyway. They clearly knew Grant has value, and they’re right, because I guarantee you their worst deal will be better than that one.

I choose to believe otherwise, because that makes the Blazers' front office look incompetent. What do you offer to back up your "guarantee"?

 

[BankTeller]

These are all the shortest contracts the Cavs have to unload. Niang is not JUST a three point shooter, but that's certainly of value in our system. Rubio has all-but-retired - he probably would if traded. But if not, he'd be the only true PG on our roster and Ayton would probably love to play with him.

It's a pretty shitty offer, true, but it does get rid of a lot of years of Grant's salary, and I can't see many teams other than a desperate near-contender like the Cavs wanting Jerami.

Indy will be more than willing to give up Hield, Toppin, a 1st, and a 2nd for Grant no problem. And that’s the most realistic deal that people have come up with. It’s already way more than that Cavs offer. You could trade 2nds and attach win-now players to Hield to get another 1st.

 

[BankTeller]

I choose to believe otherwise, because that makes the Blazers' front office look incompetent. What do you offer to back up your "guarantee"?

I’ll give you $100, friendly bet. DM me your number, we can facetime and everything and we’ll discuss a bet if you’re actually up for it.

We’ll say any 1st round pick beats that Cavs offer? Winner gets $100, venmo or zelle will work. My friend’s wife also interns for the Blazers, I’ll get you two 100 level seat if you win, but you’d have to put up the value of one 100 level ticket if you lose.

Also, I personally am not going to care about this bet very much, so don’t come at me with the “why would I give my number to a stranger on the internet” schtick. You just asked me what I would offer, and I did. And also, saying I’m not going to care about the bet doesn’t mean I’m not going to care about you paying up if you take the deal. I’m very much going to care if I won and you would very much be an asshole for taking that bet and not paying up if you lose lol.

 

[Natebishop3]

For comparison, here are the least-gunnery players:
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You mean a bunch of dudes who are surrounded by people who can shoot?

 

[BankTeller]

You mean a bunch of dudes who are surrounded by people who can shoot?

This makes the most sense.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Indy will be more than willing to give up Hield, Toppin, a 1st, and a 2nd for Grant no problem. And that’s the most realistic deal that people have come up with. It’s already way more than that Cavs offer. You could trade 2nds and attach win-now players to Hield to get another 1st.

"Way more" - I don't want Hield (even more one dimensional than Jerami, who at least plays defense and isn't a guard, of whom we have too many) and I don't want Toppin (who is a dunker and literally nothing else), and those picks will likely be shit. Woo woo.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

You mean a bunch of dudes who are surrounded by people who can shoot?

Jokic wishes.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I’ll give you $100, friendly bet. DM me your number, we can facetime and everything and we’ll discuss a bet if you’re actually up for it.

We’ll say any 1st round pick beats that Cavs offer? Winner gets $100, venmo or zelle will work. My friend’s wife also interns for the Blazers, I’ll get you two 100 level seat if you win, but you’d have to put up the value of one 100 level ticket if you lose.

Also, I personally am not going to care about this bet very much, so don’t come at me with the “why would I give my number to a stranger on the internet” schtick. You just asked me what I would offer, and I did. And also, saying I’m not going to care about the bet doesn’t mean I’m not going to care about you paying up if you take the deal. I’m very much going to care if I won and you would very much be an asshole for taking that bet and not paying up if you lose lol.

Yes you sound like the kind of calm and reasonable person who doesn't take stuff way more seriously than it deserves.
For the record, as the players coming back from the Cavs are all first rounders who have stuck in the league whatever you think of them, no I don't think "any" first rounder beats that deal, unless the other team literally absorbs Grant's salary and frees up massive cap space for us, which no team can do.

Glad you don't care about this very much lol.

 

[BankTeller]

Yes you sound like the kind of calm and reasonable person who doesn't take stuff way more seriously than it deserves.
For the record, as the players coming back from the Cavs are all first rounders who have stuck in the league whatever you think of them, no I don't think "any" first rounder beats that deal, unless the other team literally absorbs Grant's salary and frees up massive cap space for us, which no team can do.

Glad you don't care about this very much lol.

Ah, I get where the misunderstanding is now. You think the value of Niang and Rubio are worth more than a bad 1st, whereas I put more faith into the draft process and would rather gamble on a player to become something.

Then we can agree to disagree on the value of that package, I personally think it’s shit, much like your view on what a late 1st is. That isn’t to say none of those players would be useful. Attach 2 1sts to that package, and suddenly it looks like a competitive deal. Niang is a vet shooter that we would need, and worst case scenario, we lose $4m next season (because Rubio’s contract is non-guaranteed) if no team wants to give up some 2nds for him.

But the thought of giving up Grant for no picks at all and one of the main reasons is “summerleague MVP”…good grief.

 

[BankTeller]

Pick situation: Warriors unprotect their ‘24 1st, then trade us a top 3 protected 1st in ‘26 (top 1 protected in ‘27, turns into 3 future 2nds if not conveyed), ‘29 swap is unprotected.

My rationale for each team—
Cavs: they might have to ditch the two big lineup for more shooting. Okoro would go out with Allen to match salary. No draft picks involved on their end, so I think they do this just based on the better fit. I wanted to have them add a 2nd but I’m fine without it if Allen gets traded to the right team.

Warriors: Three years of Allen at $20m is as good of a big man as they can hope for. Right now, their big man depth is almost as bad as ours. Allen would be with the them until Steph is 38. Draymond would now be able to just be a third string big which would be better for him at his age. They could switch out Moody and Joseph for Kuminga, depending on who they prefer to keep, I’d take either of them. If given the choice though, I’d take Moody. Kuminga has the same foul problems as Scoot and it’s his third year. I’m sure Kuminga could be a productive player eventually if he goes to the right situation, but I think Moody could be a 3-D guy that fits anywhere, so a flier on him sounds for promising. Moody is also more similar to Okoro in size.

Blazers: I’ll start off with Wiggins. I don’t think Wiggins is a huge downgrade from Grant. His contract is cheaper and shorter than Grant’s, and he’s a much better POA. I think Chauncey could motivate him to regain his old form, maybe even take on a leadership role, having experience as a #1 pick into a tumultuous situation in Minny. Realistically, I could see us getting a 1st for him at the next deadline. If he’s a POA defender and 38-40% shooter again, maybe he gets a good prospect + a pick. He’s a reclamation project we’ve seen work, I’m very hopeful it happens again. We just waive Joseph after trading for him.

Picks: I think that the Warriors have to consider unprotecting the pick if they can get Allen for the rest of Curry’s good years. If the ‘26 pick doesn’t convey, it’ll be 14% we get 3 2nds for Grant, 86% we get another 1st in ‘27. Curry will be retired in ‘29, so an unprotected swap with GS might be very good. This could position us better in the ‘29 draft. GS might have to agree to this too, since dealing with us is the only way they could get someone like Allen anyways. I don’t think there’s any way they can attach any combination of their players to that one 1st for Allen.

 

[HansenYang]

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Pick situation: Warriors unprotect their ‘24 1st, then trade us a top 3 protected 1st in ‘26 (top 1 protected in ‘27, turns into 3 future 2nds if not conveyed), ‘29 swap is unprotected.

My rationale for each team—
Cavs: they might have to ditch the two big lineup for more shooting. Okoro would go out with Allen to match salary. No draft picks involved on their end, so I think they do this just based on the better fit. I wanted to have them add a 2nd but I’m fine without it if Allen gets traded to the right team.

Warriors: Three years of Allen at $20m is as good of a big man as they can hope for. Right now, their big man depth is almost as bad as ours. Allen would be with the them until Steph is 38. Draymond would now be able to just be a third string big which would be better for him at his age. They could switch out Moody and Joseph for Kuminga, depending on who they prefer to keep, I’d take either of them. If given the choice though, I’d take Moody. Kuminga has the same foul problems as Scoot and it’s his third year. I’m sure Kuminga could be a productive player eventually if he goes to the right situation, but I think Moody could be a 3-D guy that fits anywhere, so a flier on him sounds for promising. Moody is also more similar to Okoro in size.

Blazers: I’ll start off with Wiggins. I don’t think Wiggins is a huge downgrade from Grant. His contract is cheaper and shorter than Grant’s, and he’s a much better POA. I think Chauncey could motivate him to regain his old form, maybe even take on a leadership role, having experience as a #1 pick into a tumultuous situation in Minny. Realistically, I could see us getting a 1st for him at the next deadline. If he’s a POA defender and 38-40% shooter again, maybe he gets a good prospect + a pick. He’s a reclamation project we’ve seen work, I’m very hopeful it happens again. We just waive Joseph after trading for him.

Picks: I think that the Warriors have to consider unprotecting the pick if they can get Allen for the rest of Curry’s good years. If the ‘26 pick doesn’t convey, it’ll be 14% we get 3 2nds for Grant, 86% we get another 1st in ‘27. Curry will be retired in ‘29, so an unprotected swap with GS might be very good. This could position us better in the ‘29 draft. GS might have to agree to this too, since dealing with us is the only way they could get someone like Allen anyways. I don’t think there’s any way they can attach any combination of their players to that one 1st for Allen.

Id rather take Cavs players than the Warriors trash

 

[Rastapopoulos]

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Pick situation: Warriors unprotect their ‘24 1st, then trade us a top 3 protected 1st in ‘26 (top 1 protected in ‘27, turns into 3 future 2nds if not conveyed), ‘29 swap is unprotected.

My rationale for each team—
Cavs: they might have to ditch the two big lineup for more shooting. Okoro would go out with Allen to match salary. No draft picks involved on their end, so I think they do this just based on the better fit. I wanted to have them add a 2nd but I’m fine without it if Allen gets traded to the right team.

Warriors: Three years of Allen at $20m is as good of a big man as they can hope for. Right now, their big man depth is almost as bad as ours. Allen would be with the them until Steph is 38. Draymond would now be able to just be a third string big which would be better for him at his age. They could switch out Moody and Joseph for Kuminga, depending on who they prefer to keep, I’d take either of them. If given the choice though, I’d take Moody. Kuminga has the same foul problems as Scoot and it’s his third year. I’m sure Kuminga could be a productive player eventually if he goes to the right situation, but I think Moody could be a 3-D guy that fits anywhere, so a flier on him sounds for promising. Moody is also more similar to Okoro in size.

Blazers: I’ll start off with Wiggins. I don’t think Wiggins is a huge downgrade from Grant. His contract is cheaper and shorter than Grant’s, and he’s a much better POA. I think Chauncey could motivate him to regain his old form, maybe even take on a leadership role, having experience as a #1 pick into a tumultuous situation in Minny. Realistically, I could see us getting a 1st for him at the next deadline. If he’s a POA defender and 38-40% shooter again, maybe he gets a good prospect + a pick. He’s a reclamation project we’ve seen work, I’m very hopeful it happens again. We just waive Joseph after trading for him.

Picks: I think that the Warriors have to consider unprotecting the pick if they can get Allen for the rest of Curry’s good years. If the ‘26 pick doesn’t convey, it’ll be 14% we get 3 2nds for Grant, 86% we get another 1st in ‘27. Curry will be retired in ‘29, so an unprotected swap with GS might be very good. This could position us better in the ‘29 draft. GS might have to agree to this too, since dealing with us is the only way they could get someone like Allen anyways. I don’t think there’s any way they can attach any combination of their players to that one 1st for Allen.

Jarrett Allen is worth more than Jerami by himself.

 

[BankTeller]

Jarrett Allen is worth more than Jerami by himself.

No way. Not when you place Grant next to young stud Isiah Mobley and Summer League MVP Evan Mobley.

 

[BankTeller]

Id rather take Cavs players than the Warriors trash

Ehh, sure you could keep Allen and deal DA to GS but we could we getting back CP3 + filler salary, and likely 2nds, not even a 1st, and you aren’t going to get them to unprotect their 1st. DA’s value is at an all time low, the only reason to keep the Cavs players is to keep Allen. But in a draft class loaded with big men, why take Allen? Double dip and draft two bigs. Allen isn’t a superstar. But he would likely maximize Steph’s prime enough for them to give up that much draft capital. Everything still gets derailed for them with a Curry injury.