Official Jerami Grant trade rumors/ideas thread (1 Viewer)

[Tince]

I disagree. Sharpe has increased his scoring each year even last year with a decrease in minutes. If we give the team to him, he can easily average 23-25 points.

Sharpe is good enough to score 23ppg, so were CJ and Ant. Will he do it on efficient averages on a winning team though? That's what matters.

 

[KingSpeed]

Sharpe is good enough to score 23ppg, so were CJ and Ant. Will he do it on efficient averages on a winning team though? That's what matters.

Yes he can because of his percentage at the rim.

 

[LayneStaley]

Wait. So you thought it was a good idea to trade our best player and now you don't? Isn't that equally as crazy? Maybe more crazy because our previous best player was an All-NBA player while our current one isn't even an all-star.

And I do want to repeat myself, I'm not saying we have to get rid of Deni. I'm saying we should be open to trading him if we can get a return as good or better than Desmond Bane. I also was open to trading Dame for an elite return.

He was old and had no help, it was time to reset. Resetting with a bunch of 21-26 year olds seems odd.

 

[Tince]

Yes he can because of his percentage at the rim.

We'll see if he can put up those numbers on a winning team this year. I'm skeptical of both happening.

 

[Tince]

He was old and had no help, it was time to reset. Resetting with a bunch of 21-26 year olds seems odd.

I don't see it as resetting. Just like I didn't see buying out 26 year old Ayton or trading Ant as resetting with a bunch of 21-26 year olds.

I see it as maximizing assets when there is no clear contending path. There is no untradable player on this roster to me. I'd think you agree.

 

[BIG Q]

I swear the people that wanna trade our best players now are the same that used to tell me how crazy I was that I thought it was time to trade Dame. What goes around comes around I guess.

How bout this. Let’s start winning and see how far we can get with what we got and trade players accordingly.

I have proposed trading Scoot because he was stuck behind Ant, and now Jrue. If management doesn’t have faith in him, trade him. I’m pretty sure Scoot is pissed knowing he is now stuck behind a player CB will never start him over. In three years Scoot is looking for a new deal. He can’t get the big contract because he’s been a career sub on a shit team. Same with either Canada/Deni. One sits behind Grant. Again, CB is not putting $35 mil per season on the bench. If I was either Scoot, Deni or Camara, I’d be on the first train out of Portland. Sharpe two if they bench him and actually start Grant, Deni and Camara. How long do you expect good young players to sit behind vets that do not want to even be in Portland? I’d be furious, despite the fact I’m making millions. I’m at the point to just give a pick to move off of Grant so they can start Deni and Camara. Get rid of Jrue. Do the right thing.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

If you wanna trade Deni/Camara for some young proven commodity sure but to trade them for picks 3 years from now doesn’t seem like a good idea.

So you thought it was bad to trade Gerald Wallace for the pick that became Dame?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I have proposed trading Scoot because he was stuck behind Ant, and now Jrue. If management doesn’t have faith in him, trade him. I’m pretty sure Scoot is pissed knowing he is now stuck behind a player CB will never start him over. In three years Scoot is looking for a new deal. He can’t get the big contract because he’s been a career sub on a shit team. Same with either Canada/Deni. One sits behind Grant. Again, CB is not putting $35 mil per season on the bench. If I was either Scoot, Deni or Camara, I’d be on the first train out of Portland. Sharpe two if they bench him and actually start Grant, Deni and Camara. How long do you expect good young players to sit behind vets that do not want to even be in Portland? I’d be furious, despite the fact I’m making millions. I’m at the point to just give a pick to move off of Grant so they can start Deni and Camara. Get rid of Jrue. Do the right thing.

Jrue is 35.... No need to trade away a 21 year old.

How many teams would Scoot even start on today? I'm not sure if I can think of 5.

 

[LayneStaley]

So you thought it was bad to trade Gerald Wallace for the pick that became Dame?

Hindsight is 20/20 and Wallace was 29-30 when we traded him not 24 just entering his prime. Trading Deni now for picks 3 years from now would be stupid. I’m not worried though cause that isn’t gonna happen.

 

[Tince]

Hindsight is 20/20 and Wallace was 29-30 when we traded him not 24 just entering his prime. Trading Deni now for picks 3 years from now would be stupid. I’m not worried though cause that isn’t gonna happen.

OKC has possibly 5 first round picks next year (their, Clippers, Jazz, Houston, and Philly), so they all wouldn't have to be 3 years from now.

I think the Blazers also traded 21 year old Telfair for the #7 pick back in 2006. That pick became, Brandon Roy. So there will be misses with obtaining picks, but there can be franchise changing hits. If you can get 4-5 cracks at it, then you have to consider it when you're only giving up a role player.

 

[wizenheimer]

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small sample but I’ll take it.

I don't know about all 10 of those games but I have talked about the 5 games at the end of the season without Simons. Sharpe averaged 29-7-5 (with 3 turnovers). He did averaged 22 FGA/game though, which would have led the NBA. He shot too many three's but that was problem all year.

and yeah, he and Simons were a terrible pairing. They just did not mesh, at all

still, using SGA as a template is a bad idea because SGA is too many tiers above Sharpe. The gap it too large. Maybe somebody like Devin Booker is a little better comp, although still a stretch. In his 3rd season, while 21, Booker averaged 25-5-5

remember now, I never said that Sharpe couldn't improve. I think he'll do much better with Simons gone. I just said it wasn't probable any current Blazers would become stars. Avdija might; Sharpe might. That's possible

 

[wizenheimer]

Camara is an elite talent. Jamal Murray has made the same amount of All Star appearances as Kris Murray.

he's an elite defender. SGA is an elite talent; so is Jokic; and Doncic; and Giannis

Michael Cooper, Theo Ratliff, Derrick Mckey, Eddie Jones, Doug Christie, Tony Allen, Shane Battier, Tayshaun Prince, Bruce Bowen, Ron Artest, Rajon Rondo, Serge Ibaka, Avery Bradley, Marcus Smart, Patrick Beverly, Robert Covington, Victor Oladipo, Eric Bledsoe, Ben Simmons, Matisse Thybulle....all of those guys were elite defenders. That did not make them elite talents

by the way, Jamal Murray has averaged 24 points, 5 rebs, and 6 assists in 79 playoff games compared to 18-4-5 in the regular season. That's a star-worthy impact when it matters

 

[Natebishop3]

SGA wasn't held back by established vets because he's good enough to separate himself from those guys by either being better than them or being able to play with them. That's a superstar skill.

What established vets were on those Thunder teams that would have potentially played in front of him?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

What established vets were on those Thunder teams that would have potentially played in front of him?

CP3 and and Schroeder were both there his second season.

SGA played more minutes than either.

 

[ant]

Have we talked about the possibility of working out a sign and trade for Kuminga? The Warriors and him seem to be stuck…and Warriors are in win now mode with Jimmy, Steph, and Green. Grant would fit in well. What assets would we need to attach to Grant to make a deal like that?

Of course, he probably wouldn’t want to come to Portland and come off the bench behind TC and Deni.

 

[Chris Craig]

Have we talked about the possibility of working out a sign and trade for Kuminga? The Warriors and him seem to be stuck…and Warriors are in win now mode with Jimmy, Steph, and Green. Grant would fit in well. What assets would we need to attach to Grant to make a deal like that?

Of course, he probably wouldn’t want to come to Portland and come off the bench behind TC and Deni.

It's been talked about.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Have we talked about the possibility of working out a sign and trade for Kuminga? The Warriors and him seem to be stuck…and Warriors are in win now mode with Jimmy, Steph, and Green. Grant would fit in well. What assets would we need to attach to Grant to make a deal like that?

Of course, he probably wouldn’t want to come to Portland and come off the bench behind TC and Deni.

He would feast with Yang feeding him.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Have we talked about the possibility of working out a sign and trade for Kuminga? The Warriors and him seem to be stuck…and Warriors are in win now mode with Jimmy, Steph, and Green. Grant would fit in well. What assets would we need to attach to Grant to make a deal like that?

Of course, he probably wouldn’t want to come to Portland and come off the bench behind TC and Deni.

Kuminga is BYC so it's difficult to do a trade. Would likely need Brooklyn or a third team.

Kuminga salary would count in full to the Blazers but only 50% to GS so can't think of any way to have them receive Grant.

Then of course who does Kuminga start over here? Do we want to pay him 25-30 million per year?

 

[Ripcity4life77]

Guys -- unless Grant bounces back this upcoming season we are STUCK with him unless they want to add an asset to move off him OR take back at least a semi bad contract with around same years on it and this is pretty close to a fact at this point. If some of you fans want to be delusional and think Cronin can get this done without throwing an asset in etc then good for you for living in a dream world but I live in the real one maybe you should too.

 

[Natebishop3]

Kuminga is BYC so it's difficult to do a trade. Would likely need Brooklyn or a third team.

Kuminga salary would count in full to the Blazers but only 50% to GS so can't think of any way to have them receive Grant.

Then of course who does Kuminga start over here? Do we want to pay him 25-30 million per year?

And that's the thing.... at this point I'd rather just keep Grant. He can at least shoot the three.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Guys -- unless Grant bounces back this upcoming season we are STUCK with him unless they want to add an asset to move off him OR take back at least a semi bad contract with around same years on it and this is pretty close to a fact at this point. If some of you fans want to be delusional and think Cronin can get this done without throwing an asset in etc then good for you for living in a dream world but I live in the real one maybe you should too.

Agreed I expect the Blazers are stuck with him. Maybe at the deadline or next summer something changes.

At some point as Grants deal is closer to expiring there will be worse players on a similar contract. We then can at least swap them if Grant attitude becomes a problem.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

And that's the thing.... at this point I'd rather just keep Grant. He can at least shoot the three.

Yeah - the good news is we don't really need the salary space the next 3 seasons. So while his contract sucks it doesn't prevent us from resigning our players.

 

[Chris Craig]

I don't see any trades happening. We will probably convert Sidy's two way to an actual contract to fill the 14th spot and sign Skapintsev to a two way alongside Love and a third player.

Or

Alternatively, we could sign Bouknight to the 14th spot (I think he is passed eligibility to be a two way now). Then keep Cissoko and Love as two ways and sign Skapintsev to a two way as well.

 

[inconceivable]

I don't see any trades happening. We will probably convert Sidy's two way to an actual contract to fill the 14th spot and sign Skapintsev to a two way alongside Love and a third player.

Or

Alternatively, we could sign Bouknight to the 14th spot (I think he is passed eligibility to be a two way now). Then keep Cissoko and Love as two ways and sign Skapintsev to a two way as well.

Don't forget we can sign other team's SL players who don't have a contract.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Don't forget we can sign other team's SL players who don't have a contract.

I remember years ago we'd invite a couple guys to training camp and they battle for the last roster spot. Totally fine to do that.

We don't need to finalize the October roster in July.

 

[Chris Craig]

Don't forget we can sign other team's SL players who don't have a contract.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking for the third two way spot, though it's possible we sign someone from summer league to the 14th spot.

 

[Cugel]

Can a cap / cba affish explain how Deni’s Bird rights play into this, please?

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Can a cap / cba affish explain how Deni’s Bird rights play into this, please?

Bird rights aren't a primary consideration... Deni will be a free agent in summer 2028 and Blazers today have no big contracts at that time when they can resign him.

Deni is unlikely to sign an extension as the Blazers cant give him a big raise due to his low salary. So it's likely Deni waits until he is a free agent in 2028. Blazers will be able to offer him the most money.

 

[Natebishop3]

Can a cap / cba affish explain how Deni’s Bird rights play into this, please?

SharpesTriumph left out some details.

So normally you'd want to try to get Deni to sign an extension BEFORE he becomes a free agent, but the Blazers can't offer him enough money. Extensions are based on a percentage of what the player is already making, so the most we can offer him is far below what he'd normally fetch. We have to let him run out his contract and then when he becomes an unrestricted free agent, we can offer him the most money. Unfortunately that runs the risk of him also being able to leave if he wants. And there's usually so few good players that actually make it to free agency these days, I think a lot of teams will want to try to make a run at him.

 

[Strenuus]

SGA wasn't held back by established vets because he's good enough to separate himself from those guys by either being better than them or being able to play with them. That's a superstar skill.

I watched SGA for 15 seconds at a game when he was a clipper and knew he'd be a superstar, and then he proved it that game and every game after.

Sharpe ive watched a handful of games and went "meh". He doesnt have any elite traits like SGA.

Scoot has shown nothing lol.

Neither are anywhere close to ever being in the same paragraph as SGA, and odds are never will be.