Official Jerami Grant trade rumors/ideas thread

[LayneStaley]

As currently constructed the starting lineup should be imo…

Jrue
Sharpe
Deni
Camara
Clingan

I don’t care about Grants feelings. He’s not better than Camara or Deni. Also why hasn’t Camara signed an extension?

 

[Cugel]

Forget Grant and his trade value. It is better to go with Deni. Why give him a reason to resent the organization?

 

[riverman]

Forget Grant and his trade value. It is better to go with Deni. Why give him a reason to resent the organization?

Ginobli never resented the Spurs and Lindsay Hunter never resented the Pistons...contenders have allstar 6 men in the rotation. Also Deni is locked up..he will start at some point. Grant is coming off a career worst season...building his trade value to me would be the only way to replace him and his salary moving forward. Ginobli was a 2 time allstar..2005 and 2007

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I just don’t see anyway you start Grant over Deni/Camara. Is he gonna have a problem with that?

No, because Grant will also be starting and Sharpe will be on the bench.

That was the lineup last season.

 

[Cugel]

Ginobli never resented the Spurs and Lindsay Hunter never resented the Pistons...contenders have allstar 6 men in the rotation. Also Deni is locked up..he will start at some point. Grant is coming off a career worst season...building his trade value to me would be the only way to replace him and his salary moving forward. Ginobli was a 2 time allstar..2005 and 2007

Deni is not locked up. He will be an UFA in like 2028

 

[Chris Craig]

As currently constructed the starting lineup should be imo…

Jrue
Sharpe
Deni
Camara
Clingan

I don’t care about Grants feelings. He’s not better than Camara or Deni. Also why hasn’t Camara signed an extension?

Nah

It will be

Jrue
Deni
Camara
Grant
Clingan

Grant won't be coming off the bench unfortunately

 

[riverman]

Deni is not locked up. He will be an UFA in like 2028

2028 is years from now. We have him under contract right now for the near future. He’s not an UFA now at all there is plenty of time to extend him

 

[riverman]

Grant scored 49 for us against Detroit and 44 against the Suns...had a 30 pt game....as well during his best stretch with the Blazers...he should get back to that with Jrue as a pt guard. I think three seasons of tanking took the wind out of our vets sails by last season...tanking doesn't build winning habits. With Jrue and Dame in the locker-room I expect to see motivated vets this season. Grant won a FIBA gold in Brazil and an Olympic gold in Tokyo

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Grant scored 49 for us against Detroit and 44 against the Suns...had a 30 pt game....as well during his best stretch with the Blazers...he should get back to that with Jrue as a pt guard. I think three seasons of tanking took the wind out of our vets sails by last season...tanking doesn't build winning habits. With Jrue and Dame in the locker-room I expect to see motivated vets this season. Grant won a FIBA gold in Brazil and an Olympic gold in Tokyo

I don't really care at all about Grant scoring a bunch of points. Id probably prefer he score closer to 10ppg than 20ppg

I want to see efficient shots and good defense. Attacking when he has a nice opportunity but deferring to others when he doesn't.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I don't really care at all about Grant scoring a bunch of points. Id probably prefer he score closer to 10ppg than 20ppg

I want to see efficient shots and good defense. Attacking when he has a nice opportunity but deferring to others when he doesn't.

I agree, which is why he should start. If he is in with Deni and Shae and either Scoot or Jrue, he is more likely to shoot less.

However if he is the designated scorer off the bench, his role changes. I realize he and Tou shot about the same percentage from deep, but I think that Grant is still considered the better 3pt shooter and more likely to spread the floor for his teammates, allowing them to attack the basket.

 

[sheed30]

Why do you guys assume Grant won’t be fine coming off the bench?

about 40% of his games for his whole career he has come off the bench.

he has played the role player very well in many spots, Denver and OKC to name, I don’t think he will have any problem coming off the bench IMO.

He got a fat salary from us and I don’t view him as a guy that will complain if he isn’t starting, especially with Dame back now.

 

[Natebishop3]

I am guessing here, but I think it is more important for Shae's confidence having him start than Camara's.

A defensive player like Tou's will not be affected by coming off the bench. Shae and Grant's game might.

Many times the other team's best player eases into the offense. They often defer to their teammates early in the game to get them involved. I want Tou guarding their best player in the 4th quarter without worring about foul trouble. Now, granted, he does a good job of not fouling, but he still led the team in PFs last year.

It just doesn't make sense. Grant is not part of the future of this team. Why bench Camara or Deni for a guy who played like shit last year and has no future here beyond this contract?

From a basketball standpoint, it makes no sense to start Grant.

He only appears one time in the top 4 man rotations for the team last year and it was barely a net positive (+0.3 points minus opponent points)


If you look at the top 3 man rotations he also only appears one time with a negative -2.7 points


Same story with 2 man combos.


The main thing you can take away from those three tables is that Deni and Clingan MUST start.

The best 5 man lineup last year included Grant though.


Funny enough, the worst three combos last year had one thing in common.... they didn't have Deni.


If you look purely at the lineups that had the most minutes though, the best two lineups included Sharpe, with Deni/Camara/Clingan and then either Simons or Scoot. So I think it makes sense that you take those lineups and plug in Jrue.

 

[Natebishop3]

Why do you guys assume Grant won’t be fine coming off the bench?

about 40% of his games for his whole career he has come off the bench.

he has played the role player very well in many spots, Denver and OKC to name, I don’t think he will have any problem coming off the bench IMO.

He got a far salary from us and I don’t view him as a guy that will complain if he isn’t starting, especially with Dame back now.

I think it's more that Chauncy will start him, but it seemed like Grant wasn't thrilled in his exit interview.

 

[riverman]

I don't really care at all about Grant scoring a bunch of points. Id probably prefer he score closer to 10ppg than 20ppg

I want to see efficient shots and good defense. Attacking when he has a nice opportunity but deferring to others when he doesn't.

We desperately need players who can score in bunches...Grant can also defend really well..I think raising his value this season is a smart roster move so you can move his last year or two to a contender and extend the young guys. He's a stop gap vet as it is. To me his weakness is his rebounding and he couldn't play paired with Ayton very well at all.

 

[Pinwheel1]

It just doesn't make sense. Grant is not part of the future of this team. Why bench Camara or Deni for a guy who played like shit last year and has no future here beyond this contract?

From a basketball standpoint, it makes no sense to start Grant.

First off, we do not know if he is or is not part of the future. He will be 31 next season. He could be here another 5 years if he plays well, and he is locked up for another 3. Yeah, he had a bad season last year. Things change.

The basketball standpoint is all I care about. More specifically, which 5 complement each other the best. I mentioned 2 months ago that if Ayton started, then Grant needed to come off the bench. But if Clingan started....... then Grant needed to start. You guys make a great argument for why Camara should start instead, but it's not like starting Grant makes zero sense. An argument can be made either way IMO.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

We desperately need players who can score in bunches...Grant can also defend really well..I think raising his value this season is a smart roster move so you can move his last year or two to a contender and extend the young guys. He's a stop gap vet as it is. To me his weakness is his rebounding and he couldn't play paired with Ayton very well at all.

Yang's the only Blazer with a contract longer than Grants - so not sure how you consider him a stopgap.

 

[Natebishop3]

First off, we do not know if he is or is not part of the future. He will be 31 next season. He could be here another 5 years if he plays well, and he is locked up for another 3. Yeah, he had a bad season last year. Things change.

The basketball standpoint is all I care about. More specifically, which 5 complement each other the best. I mentioned 2 months ago that if Ayton started, then Grant needed to come off the bench. But if Clingan started....... then Grant needed to start. You guys make a great argument for why Camara should start instead, but it's not like starting Grant makes zero sense. An argument can be made either way IMO.

Check the on/off stats though
Toumani: +3.2 ORtg
Deni: +3.4 ORtg
Scoot: +3.2 ORtg
Clingan: +4.6 ORtg
Sharpe: -0.1 ORtg
Grant: -5.0 ORtg
Simons: -4.2 ORtg
Ayton: -5.1 ORtg
Murray: +2.4 ORtg
Thybulle: +3.9 ORtg
RobWill: -0.4 ORtg

We dumped two of the three worst players on our team in terms of on/off.... guess who the third player is?

Based on the numbers, our starting lineup next year should be:

Jrue
Sharpe
Tou
Deni
Clingan

Or maybe:

Scoot
Jrue
Tou
Deni
Clingan

 

[riverman]

Yang's the only Blazer with a contract longer than Grants - so not sure how you consider him a stopgap.

in context I was talking about building his trade value and trading him at the deadline...to start him for half a season and get off his deal would mean the upcoming season he's a "stopgap vet" that isn't in our long term plans...the idea is to see if you can sell high on him, not play out his current deal or sell very, very low for him this offseason.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Check the on/off stats though
Toumani: +3.2 ORtg
Deni: +3.4 ORtg
Scoot: +3.2 ORtg
Clingan: +4.6 ORtg
Sharpe: -0.1 ORtg
Grant: -5.0 ORtg
Simons: -4.2 ORtg
Ayton: -5.1 ORtg
Murray: +2.4 ORtg
Thybulle: +3.9 ORtg
RobWill: -0.4 ORtg

We dumped two of the three worst players on our team in terms of on/off.... guess who the third player is?

Based on the numbers, our starting lineup next year should be:

Jrue
Sharpe
Tou
Deni
Clingan

Or maybe:

Scoot
Jrue
Tou
Deni
Clingan

I don't care about those particular stats. Otherwise, we might as well start Thybulle over Sharpe. And unless Sharpe comes into camp and has regressed over the summer, I want him and Deni starting. The rest I am open to.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45790173/all-30-nba-teams-roster-mistakes-2020

All 30 NBA teams' biggest roster mistakes since 2020

27. Portland Trail Blazers
Biggest mistake: Re-signing Jerami Grant for five years and $160 million (2023)

Just one day after the Trail Blazers and Grant agreed to a new contract in summer 2023, news broke that Damian Lillard had requested a trade out of Portland. All of a sudden, an expensive but understandable long-term deal looked horribly out of place, as the veteran forward no longer fit on a retooling roster.

Two years later, Grant's production has cratered -- shooting a career-worst 37% from the field last season -- and he has fallen behind the much younger Deni Avdija and Toumani Camara in Portland's perimeter pecking order.

Grant's contract hasn't gotten in the way of any other Trail Blazers moves yet -- but with the Blazers rising, Jrue Holiday's hefty deal now in the fold and Grant still owed another $102.6 million over the next three seasons, it might soon prove a tricky roster-building obstacle.

Reading this article actually pretty impressive Blazers don't have any transaction worse than this. 26 teams have a worse move. Yeah the Grant move isn't good but it's not close to as bad as what most NBA teams have done.

#1 (worst in the NBA) Mavs dumping Luka for AD
2 Suns Durant
3 Bucks Dame (good for us!)
4 Nets Harden
5 SAC losing both Haliburton Fox
6 NOP Dejounte Murray
7 ATL Dejounte Murray
8 Marcus Smart
9 Nikola Vucevic
10 $ to Embiid/PG13

All of the worst deals are forking over assets for allstars older than 30.

Makes me super nervous about doing an "all in" trade to bring a star here or Giannis or such.

Might ultimately be far better to just be patient, try to build a team slows and cautiously.

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't care about those particular stats. Otherwise, we might as well start Thybulle over Sharpe. And unless Sharpe comes into camp and has regressed over the summer, I want him and Deni starting. The rest I am open to.

Thybulle barely played last season so the stats aren't very useful because of the sample size, but the rest of them.... do you not agree that our best players last season were Camara, Deni, Clingan, Sharpe and Scoot in terms of both sides of the ball?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Thybulle barely played last season so the stats aren't very useful because of the sample size, but the rest of them.... do you not agree that our best players last season were Camara, Deni, Clingan, Sharpe and Scoot in terms of both sides of the ball?

For the most part, yes. However, I thought Clingan sucked offensively. Which is the only reason I think that it makes sense to start Grant alongside him. I love Camara and I would have no problem starting him, but I can see why they would consider starting Grant over him.
Again, we are talking about the same number of minutes either way.

 

[andalusian]

For the most part, yes. However, I thought Clingan sucked offensively. Which is the only reason I think that it makes sense to start Grant alongside him. I love Camara and I would have no problem starting him, but I can see why they would consider starting Grant over him.
Again, we are talking about the same number of minutes either way.

DC's individual offense was subpar, but his ORTG was 2nd on the Blazers only behind RW3.

I think people underestimate the offensive impact his screens and 2nd opportunity possessions via offensive rebounding provide.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

For the most part, yes. However, I thought Clingan sucked offensively. Which is the only reason I think that it makes sense to start Grant alongside him. I love Camara and I would have no problem starting him, but I can see why they would consider starting Grant over him.
Again, we are talking about the same number of minutes either way.

Bench players can't get as many minutes as a starter can get. They need a break too and if they don't play the first 8 minutes there's only 16 minutes available after that in a half.

Yes a bench player can get a lot of minutes. But they always have a possibility to get more if they were to start.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Bench players can't get as many minutes as a starter can get. They need a break too and if they don't play the first 8 minutes there's only 16 minutes available after that in a half.

Yes, a bench player can get a lot of minutes. But they always have a possibility to get more if they were to start.

Sure, if the goal is to get them 36-40 minutes per game. But if we are trying to protect them for a full season and ease their minutes, 32 minutes a game is easy to do coming off the bench. Of course, some games will warrant more minutes, especially if they are playing well.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Sure, if the goal is to get them 36-40 minutes per game. But if we are trying to protect them for a full season and ease their minutes, 32 minutes a game is easy to do coming off the bench. Of course, some games will warrant more minutes, especially if they are playing well.

Camara is 25 years old, started every game last season he played, played more games than any Blazer, played more minutes than any Blazer, had 48 games last season he played over 32 minutes, and was All-NBA defense.

START CAMARA!

 

[Natebishop3]

For the most part, yes. However, I thought Clingan sucked offensively. Which is the only reason I think that it makes sense to start Grant alongside him. I love Camara and I would have no problem starting him, but I can see why they would consider starting Grant over him.
Again, we are talking about the same number of minutes either way.

Here's the way I see it, strictly from a wholistic approach, if you're going to sub someone in for offense, it should be Sharpe sitting down because his three point shot is so unreliable, and Grant is a better two way player. So you're getting shooting, length, and defense.

So the lineup should be
Jrue
Tou
Deni
Grant
Clingan

 

[Pinwheel1]

Camara is 25 years old, started every game last season he played, played more games than any Blazer, played more minutes than any Blazer, had 48 games last season he played over 32 minutes, and was All-NBA defense.

START CAMARA!

That is a very compelling argument. I love Camara. He is better than Grant. But again, it is not about which players are best; it is about which combination is best. And we are trying to have a winning record this year.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Here's the way I see it, strictly from a wholistic approach, if you're going to sub someone in for offense, it should be Sharpe sitting down because his three point shot is so unreliable, and Grant is a better two way player. So you're getting shooting, length, and defense.

So the lineup should be
Jrue
Tou
Deni
Grant
Clingan

Let's hope Shae has improved his 3pt shot. I think he will if he is surrounded by better offensive players and doesn't force as many.

 

[wizenheimer]

For the most part, yes. However, I thought Clingan sucked offensively. Which is the only reason I think that it makes sense to start Grant alongside him. .

just a FYI: Portland's offense was better with Clingan on the floor than with Ayton on the floor. Portland's offense was better with Clingan on the floor than when he was off the floor. Portland's offense was worse with Ayton on the floor than when he was off the floor

a lot of that was probably because Portland's offensive rebounding rate was 5.2 percentage points better with Clingan on the floor than off (32.6% vs 27.4%). Meanwhile, Portland's offensive rebounding rate was 4.9 percentage points worse when Ayton was on the floor compared to off the floor (25.8% vs 30.7%)