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Phatguysrule said:
Court time with Ant is counterproductive (for players like Sharpe and Scoot). Actively harmful. That's been my stance the entire time. I specifically said these two guys were going to have confidence and consistency issues if we didn't get Ant out of their way immediately.

I hope they're able to come back from it. They both have the size, athleticism, and ample skill to be stars in this league.

I hope we didn't fuck that up.
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Kind of agree with Rasta horseshit comment. Good players aren't so fragile that they are broken long term from these things.

Sure the Blazers can do small things well to help a little or delay a little a players development. The vast majority of players performance purely comes down to the individual player.

Jermaine O'Neal was stuck on the deep bench for years then was an all-star. I don't believe him getting PT at a young age on a crap team would've made his prime any better.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Kind of agree with Rasta horseshit comment. Good players aren't so fragile that they are broken long term from these things.

Sure the Blazers can do small things well to help a little or delay a little a players development. The vast majority of players performance purely comes down to the individual player.

Jermaine O'Neal was stuck on the deep bench for years then was an all-star. I don't believe him getting PT at a young age on a crap team would've made his prime any better.
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Hopefully Scoot and Sharpe don't need to go to another team before we find out they're good players.

There is no question that the skill is there. The physical ability is there.

If they aren't very productive players in the NBA then it's a mental thing. Development is a big part of that.
 
Now I do think it was stupid for the Blazers to waste assets and years on irrelevant vets as well as the stupid AytonGrantAnt big3.

But that set the Blazers roster back long term. I don't think it harmed Scoot or Sharpe individually.

Camara Deni Clingan developed great. Deni had to overcome being benched and he did so eventually forcing the Blazers to start him by being the best on the floor.

I hope Scoot Sharpe can do the same. There's been nothing preventing them from doing so.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Hopefully Scoot and Sharpe don't need to go to another team before we find out they're good players.

There is no question that the skill is there. The physical ability is there.

If they aren't very productive players in the NBA then it's a mental thing. Development is a big part of that.
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Every teams going to have multiple players capable of starting at all positions. Scoot and Sharpe have had more of a runway here than they wouldve had on most teams in the league. They need to earn the starting spots.

Like are there even 5 teams in the NBA Scoot would've been a clear starter on?
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Every teams going to have multiple players capable of starting at all positions. Scoot and Sharpe have had more of a runway here than they wouldve had on most teams in the league. They need to earn the starting spots.

Like are there even 5 teams in the NBA Scoot would've been a clear starter on?
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That's a whole lot of hypothetical.

I'm simply saying I'm not at all surprised that Scoot and Sharpe have shown they have the skill and physical ability to be NBA stars and are struggling with their confidence, exactly as I predicted they would in this situation.
 
Phatguysrule said:
That's a whole lot of hypothetical.

I'm simply saying I'm not at all surprised that Scoot and Sharpe have shown they have the skill and physical ability to be NBA stars and are struggling with their confidence, exactly as I predicted they would in this situation.
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Why do you think they have confidence issues?

Sharpe shot the 2nd most shots per game of any Blazer last season after Ant.

Scoot has never shown a lack of confidence to me from before he was drafted. Id say he has the opposite with extreme confidence. Just his name oozes confidence.

If any Blazer had confidence issues I'd say it was the 27 year old Kris Murray.
 
I don't understand how playing behind an arguably better player will hinder development, but being force fed minutes and blatant tanking would foster success
 
RR7 said:
I don't understand how playing behind an arguably better player will hinder development, but being force fed minutes and blatant tanking would foster success
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Particularly as you're playing against the other team's bench. Go nuts!

Now, if the argument is that it's dispiriting playing well and having the starting spot still handed to Anfernee, well, no argument here. But the same argument does not apply to Jrue Fucking Holiday.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Kind of agree with Rasta horseshit comment. Good players aren't so fragile that they are broken long term from these things.

Sure the Blazers can do small things well to help a little or delay a little a players development. The vast majority of players performance purely comes down to the individual player.

Jermaine O'Neal was stuck on the deep bench for years then was an all-star. I don't believe him getting PT at a young age on a crap team would've made his prime any better.
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It has been 25 years but I very clearly remember when Jermaine played. He would make mistakes. Dunleavy had no patience for him. Everyone was pretty much rejoicing the trade because Davis was an All-Star and Jermaine hadn't really proven shit.

And then he goes to Indy and immediately explodes. But the situations aren't really comparable. I think Chauncey has been pretty fair with them..... except for the defense thing. Simons is garbage at defense and he was never held accountable.

But look at these MPG for Jermaine. How could anyone show what they can do with minutes like that? I get that he was playing behind Sheed/Grant/Sabonis.
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Scoot and Sharpe have been given minutes since day one. Not as many as I would like, but they have been given a chance.

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Looking at total minutes:

Jermaine (in 4 seasons) - 2,436 minutes played
Scoot (in 2 seasons) - 3,524 minutes played
Sharpe (in 3 seasons) - 5,090 minutes played

Sharpe has doubled the amount of minutes that Jermaine played in four seasons after only his third year.
 

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SharpesTriumph said:
Why do you think they have confidence issues?

Sharpe shot the 2nd most shots per game of any Blazer last season after Ant.

Scoot has never shown a lack of confidence to me from before he was drafted. Id say he has the opposite with extreme confidence. Just his name oozes confidence.

If any Blazer had confidence issues I'd say it was the 27 year old Kris Murray.
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Okay then, there should be no problems.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Why do you think they have confidence issues?

Sharpe shot the 2nd most shots per game of any Blazer last season after Ant.

Scoot has never shown a lack of confidence to me from before he was drafted. Id say he has the opposite with extreme confidence. Just his name oozes confidence.

If any Blazer had confidence issues I'd say it was the 27 year old Kris Murray.
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Murray is overflowing with confidence issues. IS HE REALLY 27 NOW????? (he is not - almost 25)

Scoot.... I do think struggles with confidence at times.

Sharpe I can't tell. He's always so emotionless.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It has been 25 years but I very clearly remember when Jermaine played. He would make mistakes. Dunleavy had no patience for him. Everyone was pretty much rejoicing the trade because Davis was an All-Star and Jermaine hadn't really proven shit.

And then he goes to Indy and immediately explodes. But the situations aren't really comparable. I think Chauncey has been pretty fair with them..... except for the defense thing. Simons is garbage at defense and he was never held accountable.

But look at these MPG for Jermaine. How could anyone show what they can do with minutes like that? I get that he was playing behind Sheed/Grant/Sabonis.
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Scoot and Sharpe have been given minutes since day one. Not as many as I would like, but they have been given a chance.

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Looking at total minutes:

Jermaine (in 4 seasons) - 2,436 minutes played
Scoot (in 2 seasons) - 3,524 minutes played
Sharpe (in 3 seasons) - 5,090 minutes played

Sharpe has doubled the amount of minutes that Jermaine played in four seasons after only his third year.
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I was curious so I went to Jermaine's splits. In his 2nd season, as a 19 year old, in the 9 games he started, Per36, he averaged 14.5 points and 9.3 rebounds. The 8 games he started in his 4th season aren't worth looking at because he only averaged 17.7 minutes. Dunleavy just didn't trust O'Neal
 
wizenheimer said:
I was curious so I went to Jermaine's splits. In his 2nd season, as a 19 year old, in the 9 games he started, Per36, he averaged 14.5 points and 9.3 rebounds. The 8 games he started in his 4th season aren't worth looking at because he only averaged 17.7 minutes. Dunleavy just didn't trust O'Neal
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Pretty much. But I distinctly remember that when he went into games he would press. You could tell he was trying not to screw up and get the hook. And I remember hearing/reading that Dunleavy had zero patience for young guys.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Pretty much. But I distinctly remember that when he went into games he would press. You could tell he was trying not to screw up and get the hook. And I remember hearing/reading that Dunleavy had zero patience for young guys.
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The majority of coaches trying to win are the same
 
Natebishop3 said:
That's why the "two timeline" strategy never works.
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I'm fine with the blazers' moves this offseason as long as it's clear that this is scoot/deni/camara/shaedon's team. it sounds like they (scoot/shae specifically) have a handful of months to make that point perfectly clear. the press conference was full of language that made the org appear muddled on whether the kids had the car keys or the olds. because the 'return to form' bit and 'i'm going to pour my heart into the younger players' messages had some cognitive dissonance for me. if dame comes back into any level of health, he's not going to want to come off the bench or play limited minutes.
 
Samuel said:
I'm fine with the blazers' moves this offseason as long as it's clear that this is scoot/deni/camara/shaedon's team. it sounds like they (scoot/shae specifically) have a handful of months to make that point perfectly clear. the press conference was full of language that made the org appear muddled on whether the kids had the car keys or the olds. because the 'return to form' bit and 'i'm going to pour my heart into the younger players' messages had some cognitive dissonance for me. if dame comes back into any level of health, he's not going to want to come off the bench or play limited minutes.
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I just don't think it is. I think Dame fully expects to start in 2026 and I don't see how they will be able to move Jrue after this season with that contract. I really wouldn't be surprised if they make an all-in trade if Dame ends up looking like his old self.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Since you apparently don't want to have actual conversations that's probably best.
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What conversation is there to be had, honestly? You beat the dead horse. Over and over all year. Ants gone now. Shut the fuck up and move on. Sorry, it'll be Grant now. Looking forward to it!!!
 
RR7 said:
What conversation is there to be had, honestly? You beat the dead horse. Over and over all year. Ants gone now. Shut the fuck up and move on. Sorry, it'll be Grant now. Looking forward to it!!!
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It had nothing to do with Ant except he was in the way of Scoot and Sharpe. And it's turning out exactly as I said it would.

So great, Ant's gone. That doesn't fucking matter since Scoot and Sharpe have already lost seasons worth of development as lead guards.

Now we just have to hope they can get it right.

And yeah, if Grant keeps dominating the ball and killing the offense I'll be bitching about him as well. But at least he plays defense.

If Grant makes himself part of the offensive rather than trying to be the whole offense I'll have absolutely no problem with him.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I really wouldn't be surprised if they make an all-in trade if Dame ends up looking like his old self.
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i'm fine with that if the guy they get has a bunch of years left and can pair up with our younger guys. if it's someone in their 30s, woof.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It has been 25 years but I very clearly remember when Jermaine played. He would make mistakes. Dunleavy had no patience for him. Everyone was pretty much rejoicing the trade because Davis was an All-Star and Jermaine hadn't really proven shit.

And then he goes to Indy and immediately explodes. But the situations aren't really comparable. I think Chauncey has been pretty fair with them..... except for the defense thing. Simons is garbage at defense and he was never held accountable.

But look at these MPG for Jermaine. How could anyone show what they can do with minutes like that? I get that he was playing behind Sheed/Grant/Sabonis.
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Scoot and Sharpe have been given minutes since day one. Not as many as I would like, but they have been given a chance.

Sharpe
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Scoot
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Looking at total minutes:

Jermaine (in 4 seasons) - 2,436 minutes played
Scoot (in 2 seasons) - 3,524 minutes played
Sharpe (in 3 seasons) - 5,090 minutes played

Sharpe has doubled the amount of minutes that Jermaine played in four seasons after only his third year.
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Yeah that all kind of backs up my point. Jermaine was buried way more than Scoot/Sharpe but he turned out great. I think it would've helped the Blazers better correctly evaluate Jermaine if we played him. But I don't think him being benched harmed him at all long term.

Scoot Sharpe have played MUCH more and them not always being starters hasn't harmed them at all either IMO.
 
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