Official New Jersey Nets #1 pick Status Thread..........

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OK, since I have already questioned in a previous post whether any picks available to us really have all the qualities needed; maybe we should consider trading the picks, as Buchanan has said they are strongly considering. What if Eric Gordon told the new owners he didn't really want to play in New Orleans? What about the two picks plus Mathews and Thomas in a sign and trade for Gordon? (And I have no idea if this could be agreed upon prior to the draft). And if we did that would we have enough money to go after Deron Williams? Or would only the higher of the two picks be enough? So we could use the other pick on a big? Or what if Crawford got insecure and decided to opt in; then we could trade him and Mathews?
 
I think he could be better than Curry. I have a Co-worker from Winter Park Florida so I watched him closely all year after hearing about him through High school. He is a bigger than Curry and still only 19. I bet he goes higher than 16

Curry could REALLY shoot the ball, though... I don't think Rivers can.

Also, Rivers probably will see himself as a shoot-first player, while Curry (perhaps because he's smaller, or because he's smart) knew he'd have to play the PG spot in the NBA. A poor-shooting 6'4" shooting guard is just about the last thing that NBA teams need to use lottery picks on, whether they are 19 or 23.

Ed O.
 
Rivers doesn't interest me.

He's not an explosive athlete and doesn't do anything great, at 6'3-ish" -- I hope we stay away.

He screams 'OJ Mayo' type of potential.
 
Curry could REALLY shoot the ball, though... I don't think Rivers can.

Also, Rivers probably will see himself as a shoot-first player, while Curry (perhaps because he's smaller, or because he's smart) knew he'd have to play the PG spot in the NBA. A poor-shooting 6'4" shooting guard is just about the last thing that NBA teams need to use lottery picks on, whether they are 19 or 23.

Ed O.

People are drooling over Bradley Beal, though. I just don't get it. I loved that guy when I thought he was close to Roy's size. He's not even close, though, and isn't even a solid shooter like Eric Gordon, who at least has a role in the NBA as a scorer, albeit a limited one on both ends of the court.
 
Coming down to the wire for lotto positioning.
Jersey @ Toronto last game of the reg. season. (Thursday)
Both with identical records. (And both 1 game ahead of 2 teams and 1 game behind two teams)

They will both probably lose their second to last game (NJ vs Philly and Milw vs Tor) which means going into the game they will probably be tied. This might be one of the most tankerific games ever. I might have to watch out of pure curiosity to see who can play worse and how obvious it is.
 
They will both probably lose their second to last game (NJ vs Philly and Milw vs Tor) which means going into the game they will probably be tied. This might be one of the most tankerific games ever. I might have to watch out of pure curiosity to see who can play worse and how obvious it is.

I am doing the same. I have league pass and won't miss this one. It will be one for the ages
 
I would be disapointed if Portland actually gets NJ's pick and uses it on Rivers, but he's not the worst pick with our second lottery pick
 
yeah, NJ pick is too high for Rivers, IMO.
 
People are drooling over Bradley Beal, though. I just don't get it. I loved that guy when I thought he was close to Roy's size. He's not even close, though, and isn't even a solid shooter like Eric Gordon, who at least has a role in the NBA as a scorer, albeit a limited one on both ends of the court.

What are you talking about? Gordon shot worse in college than Beal did. He also has a worse (lower) release than Beal, and is about the same size. Why doesn't Beal have a role in the NBA? I'd like to see how you came to that conclusion.
 
People are drooling over Bradley Beal, though. I just don't get it. I loved that guy when I thought he was close to Roy's size. He's not even close, though, and isn't even a solid shooter like Eric Gordon, who at least has a role in the NBA as a scorer, albeit a limited one on both ends of the court.

I agree. Scouts and people seem all too eager to discount Beal's shooting as a freshman this year but then somehow want to discount what Rivers did. Rivers was THE go-to guy on Duke and he put up some pretty darn good numbers as a freshman...

I think Rivers is going to be a good pro, there are a lot of indications that he will be...

But this is likely a moot point anyway b\c Beal will not be there when POR picks anyway....
 
I doubt there is anyone in this draft that can shoot better off the dribble.

Based on his stats, he probably should have shot off the dribble a little less. Or maybe not.

In any case, he didn't shoot all that well.

Ed O.
 
I agree. Scouts and people seem all too eager to discount Beal's shooting as a freshman this year but then somehow want to discount what Rivers did. Rivers was THE go-to guy on Duke and he put up some pretty darn good numbers as a freshman...

I think Rivers is going to be a good pro, there are a lot of indications that he will be...

But this is likely a moot point anyway b\c Beal will not be there when POR picks anyway....

The trouble with Rivers is the fact that his athleticism isn't necessarily NBA caliber. Beal is around the same size (a little more sturdy though) but he's a better athlete ... and athleticism matters a lot when making the jump from college to the pros especially for guys who might be a little bit undersized.
 
Based on his stats, he probably should have shot off the dribble a little less. Or maybe not.

In any case, he didn't shoot all that well.

Ed O.

If you want stats then Jon Diebler is our guy.

Playing only one year does make it really tough to evaluate, but none the less who is the best shooter in the draft? If you go by stats then the guys who only shoot set shots when they are wide open would excel. But those guys are often "never" open in NBA as they can not create their own shot. Rivers to me has the most potential than any other SG's I have seen in this draft to create his own shot. And we desperately need someone who can. If there is someone who is an option let me know.
 
If you want stats then Jon Diebler is our guy.

I'm not sure what you mean. Diebler couldn't even score 13 ppg as a 22 year-old senior. Was he a fantastic shooter? Of course. That's what shooting stats measure, and why I'm not convinced that Rivers is a good shooter.

Playing only one year does make it really tough to evaluate, but none the less who is the best shooter in the draft? If you go by stats then the guys who only shoot set shots when they are wide open would excel. But those guys are often "never" open in NBA as they can not create their own shot. Rivers to me has the most potential than any other SG's I have seen in this draft to create his own shot. And we desperately need someone who can. If there is someone who is an option let me know.

The best shooters are, IMO, those that shoot high percentages and have good size for their position... while I don't have statistical evidence that larger players (for their positions) are more likely to carry forward a better percentage to the NBA, it seems to make sense to me. Another element is athleticism.

Obviously no single one of those three traits (good FG% in college, good size for his position, and superior athleticism) are guarantees of anything--heck, even all three doesn't guarantee anything. When a player has none of the three, though, as Rivers does ... ? That is a glaring red flag to me.

Another way of looking at my primary concern about Rivers: he shot less than 66% from the free throw line last year. Is that consistent with being a really good shooter?

Ed O.
 
I have mixed feelings about this pick being ours or not. To me it looks like there is a talent drop after the first 4-5 picks, with some potential surprises in the next 10 for those skilled enough to select them (not sure that is the Blazers). If the NJ pick is not 1-3, then it will likely be around 7-8.

Part of me would rather roll the dice, hope that NJ doesn't retain D. Williams, and ends up one of the bottom dwellers next year, where the top four players look very good. We might have a very good shot at 3-4 next year, and with a long term view, I would rather have 3-4 next year, than 7-8 this year.

I recognize there is risk in this, in that NJ could end up with 7-8 next year, which would be worse because of the time lag and potentially less deep draft. But, I won't be totally upset if we have to defer the pick because of luck or conspiracy.
 
I have mixed feelings about this pick being ours or not. To me it looks like there is a talent drop after the first 4-5 picks, with some potential surprises in the next 10 for those skilled enough to select them (not sure that is the Blazers). If the NJ pick is not 1-3, then it will likely be around 7-8.

Part of me would rather roll the dice, hope that NJ doesn't retain D. Williams, and ends up one of the bottom dwellers next year, where the top four players look very good. We might have a very good shot at 3-4 next year, and with a long term view, I would rather have 3-4 next year, than 7-8 this year.

I recognize there is risk in this, in that NJ could end up with 7-8 next year, which would be worse because of the time lag and potentially less deep draft. But, I won't be totally upset if we have to defer the pick because of luck or conspiracy.

While I am rooting for NJ to NOT finish in the top 3 of the lottery, I think that your thinking will definitely give me some solace. We can also remind ourselves that we can't control things at all, so we might as well look at the bright side of how they turn out, huh?

Ed O.
 
Count me as someone who won't be upset if the Blazers don't get the pick.
 
Count me as someone who won't be upset if the Blazers don't get the pick.

i wouldn't be upset if we don't, but i think it's certainly a huge advantage to get the pick this year.

we need assets around LMA now (whomever we pick or whatever vets the pick facilitates aquiring).

also i think it's most likely deron will re-sign with NJ. with deron + a top 3 pick, (which they could well offer + expiring for howard), you have to assume the pick next year wouldn't be that great.
 
I think there will be more people in Portland following (or caring about) the NJ/Tor season finale than both of those cities combined. Huge game for us.
 
The best shooters are, IMO, those that shoot high percentages and have good size for their position... while I don't have statistical evidence that larger players (for their positions) are more likely to carry forward a better percentage to the NBA, it seems to make sense to me. Another element is athleticism.
Ed O.

So who is the answer? We will need a guard who can shoot. Who in your opinion is the best shooting guard in the draft?
Rivers measured 6'5" in shoes with a 6'7" reach. (Draftexxpress)
NBAdraft.net gives him a 9/10 for shooting and athleticism.

What I do know is what I saw from him, he takes and makes difficult shots. But I am open to hear who is better at his position.

Here are two quotes from Draft express:

"It was Rivers' athleticism and scoring instincts that made him the catalyst for the Blue Devils offense and defined his role as freshman"

"A crafty ball-handler with no shortage of shifty hesitation moves or blistering cross-overs, Rivers showed the ability to create separation from his defender in one-on-one situations"

From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1svzi3VFM
http://www.draftexpress.com
 
Count me as someone who won't be upset if the Blazers don't get the pick.

Since this draft is supposedly much stronger than next year, the #6 pick this year is much better than the #6 player next year.
 
The New Jersey pick: The Nets remain in a tie with Toronto for the sixth-worst record at 22-42. Because teams that finish with the same record add, then divide, their combinations, if the season ended today, the Nets and Raptors would each have 53 combinations. So the Nets' odds of getting a top-three pick right now would be:
No. 1 pick: 5.3 percent
No. 2 pick: 6.0 percent
No. 3 pick: 7.3 percent
 
Titanic award for tanking of the week: New Jersey Nets

The Nets are frantically trying to keep their draft pick and have gone 0-4 in the past week, keeping out as many players as possible to try and get there. Sadly they are still four spots short of the top-three protection needed, assuming the lottery doesn't help them, which of course it could. But hey, they are doing a great job of helping out the Trail Blazers.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/18787737/baseline-awards-42312-james-going-away
 
The New Jersey pick: The Nets remain in a tie with Toronto for the sixth-worst record at 22-42. Because teams that finish with the same record add, then divide, their combinations, if the season ended today, the Nets and Raptors would each have 53 combinations. So the Nets' odds of getting a top-three pick right now would be:
No. 1 pick: 5.3 percent
No. 2 pick: 6.0 percent
No. 3 pick: 7.3 percent

This was our scenario in 07 when we got #1.
 
The New Jersey pick: The Nets remain in a tie with Toronto for the sixth-worst record at 22-42. Because teams that finish with the same record add, then divide, their combinations, if the season ended today, the Nets and Raptors would each have 53 combinations. So the Nets' odds of getting a top-three pick right now would be:
No. 1 pick: 5.3 percent
No. 2 pick: 6.0 percent
No. 3 pick: 7.3 percent

I think they play each other for the season finale, so it's impossible for NJ and TOR to end in a tie now.
 
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