Official New Jersey Nets #1 pick Status Thread..........

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The trouble with Rivers is the fact that his athleticism isn't necessarily NBA caliber. Beal is around the same size (a little more sturdy though) but he's a better athlete ... and athleticism matters a lot when making the jump from college to the pros especially for guys who might be a little bit undersized.

His athleticism is NBA caliber...come on now...that is a huge stretch your making there....Beal is probably a better athlete, but better athlete does not equal better pro.....the NBA is littered with those kinds of examples.....

Obviously no single one of those three traits (good FG% in college, good size for his position, and superior athleticism) are guarantees of anything--heck, even all three doesn't guarantee anything. When a player has none of the three, though, as Rivers does ... ? That is a glaring red flag to me.

Another way of looking at my primary concern about Rivers: he shot less than 66% from the free throw line last year. Is that consistent with being a really good shooter?

You realize that most of Beal's and Rivers' stats are near identical?

In fact, Rivers had a better 3pt% than Beal did last year (.365 to .339), in similar attempts, and there overall FG% was fairly close as well (Beal .445, Rivers .433) again, similar attempts. Also, Rivers measures out taller than Beal...We will find out the other measureables at the draft camp...

and IMO Rivers had less talent to play around him than Beal did, and Rivers was the go-to guy on his team, and furthermore wanted to be that guy and was able to deliver as that guy, as a freshman. I want guys who are aggressive, can score and relish being that go-to guy. Not saying that Beal couldn't be that guy either, but IMO Rivers has a lot of positive things going for him that would lead one to believe he will be a very good pro.

Scouts want to give Beal a pass for his subpar shooting year, ok fine, but then in the same regard then some of them want to knock Rivers for his shooting? Hypocrisy? I think so....

Rivers can shoot, as good as Beal? Probably not, but he is a crafty scorer and that will translate to the NBA just fine, more than fine in the league of "no hand checks". Getting to the rim, finishing, getting fouled and WANTING to be and being able to deliver as a team's go-to guy are abilites that rate very high to me when I look at a player, and I just don't see any major red flags in regards to athleticism, IQ, size, injury or bad attitude (being cocky is not a bad thing...being an a-hole thug is entirely another matter and Rivers is nowehere near that).

I would be happy with any of Beal\Rivers or Lamb...but I don't think Beal will be there for POR to pick...Lamb may or may not be either...Rivers likely will be and outside of those 3, I don't see any other player in that #6-10 range that intrigues me as much. Maybe Barnes?

I think Rivers will rise during workouts, I see him likely going top 10. So if POR wants him or Lamb they will likely take them at #6-7....and better one of those guys than Sullinger (leg, injury concerns), Marshall, Lillard etc...

Now at #11? I see POR going for Henson or if they have any balls (they currently don't) Perry Jones...
 
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Now at #11? I see POR going for Henson or if they have any balls (they currently don't) Perry Jones...

I would rather have Terrance Jones then these to bean poles!
 
I would rather have Terrance Jones then these to bean poles!

I think Terrance Jones is being underrated....but I think Perry Jones is as well...all world talent, he is a good kid, just needs to develop that killer instinct...reminds me of Aldridge...not in type of player they are but in thier timid for lack of a better word...approach to how they play...preferrring to defer or blend in with the team than demand the ball...take control of a game...

LA has\is continung to develop that...I see no reason why Perry Jones couldn't...and the fact that he is a good kid, a good team player, a hard worker...all positive signs to go with his fantastic athletic\bball skills bode well for him...

He may never develop as that go to #1 or #2 guy but I think he will have alengthy NBA career as a valuable core player for a team...

Jones issue is where does he play? PF? SF? Maybe it won't matter...I'd rather take the risk\reward of Jones or the known of Henson defensive abilities (and hope the offense catches up) over Jones.

I think if POR could pull a Beal\Rivers - P.Jones\Henson draft it would be fantastic...
 
I really want to like Perry Jones, because he seems so solid and unselfish. But, there seem like too many barriers. He doesn't have that killer instinct and I'm not sure that is something you can develop. LMA doesn't really have it either. It will come out a couple times a year, but not very often. I can't think of too many other players who developed it after they came in the league. Maybe Pippen.

Jones should follow the Lamar Odom path (minus the mental issues), and try to become a great point PF. Would love to see him work on his rebounding, as that is the biggest concern.
 
New Orleans beat GS tonight. This puts three teams at 21 wins, Toronto and NJ at 22, and GS at 23.

The Raptors need to bring it for the finale!
 
Go Sac! Go NOLA! Go Cavs! Go Toronto!


4 way tie for 3rd would be just too dangerous. you're still looking at the 5-6 pick most of the time, with much higher odds of losing the pick.
 
amazing that the loser of the NJ/Raps game could be tied for 3rd, while the winner will be tied for 7th. has there ever been a single game where the tanking stakes are so high?
 
4 way tie for 3rd would be just too dangerous. you're still looking at the 5-6 pick most of the time, with much higher odds of losing the pick.

Does anyone know who holds the tie breakers in that scenario? Seems like with it being the last day of the season and will all of the playoff spots wrapped up that its a pretty realistic possibility. Its makes the Wiz vs Cavs game tonight much more important as well.
 
4 way tie for 3rd would be just too dangerous. you're still looking at the 5-6 pick most of the time, with much higher odds of losing the pick.

I am ok risking it. The pick has less protection next year snd the Nets should be bad again. We have to get a top talent and the pick is our best shot.
 
I am ok risking it. The pick has less protection next year snd the Nets should be bad again. We have to get a top talent and the pick is our best shot.

I'm actually hoping that happens. Aside from being "deep," this year's draft class seems historically weak. (Despite the talk of how deep it would be due to many players staying in college last year because of the lockout, the top picks are all freshmen.) I can't imagine next year will be any worse at the top.
 
I am ok risking it.

i would be also if it meant we had a realistic shot at the 4th pick. it doesn't. even if they finish in a tie for 3rd and don't win the lottery we're still looking at 5-6 most of the time anyway. they might as well finish 5th.

The pick has less protection next year snd the Nets should be bad again.

pretty big assumption there. they'd be adding a top 3 pick and if deron re-signs, plays with some motivation the whole season, and recruits other FA's, in the east they should be pretty damn good. we could just as easily be looking at a pick in the low 20s as a top 7.
 
FWIW the odds of a team in a 4-way tie for 3rd ending up with the 4th pick are about 8.1%
(drawing 3 bumped to 4: 5.6%, drawing 4 not bumped: 2.5%)
 
(Despite the talk of how deep it would be due to many players staying in college last year because of the lockout, the top picks are all freshmen.) I can't imagine next year will be any worse at the top.

I don't know..... right now the two top picks for next years draft are in HS right now!
 
I don't know..... right now the two top picks for next years draft are in HS right now!

As were all of this year's top picks a year ago. The sophomores were all exposed as over-hyped and displaced by this year's frosh.
 
FWIW the odds of a team in a 4-way tie for 3rd ending up with the 4th pick are about 8.1%
(drawing 3 bumped to 4: 5.6%, drawing 4 not bumped: 2.5%)

What are the chances if one of the four finish with 21 two finish with 22 and one 23?

Go Cavs!
 
looks like the Cavs want no part of a tie at 22 wins, losin to the lowly Wiz by 14 early in the 4th
 
What are the chances if one of the four finish with 21 two finish with 22 and one 23?

Go Cavs!


chances at 4th pick if NJ finishes in 2-way tie for 4th? about 5%


edit: with cavs loss NJ can't finish in 2-way tie for 4th now. can only be 3-way, so odds of 4th pick would be even worse (3.3%?)
 
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