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If you would have said to me, Drury's big move to address RW was trade a 2nd round pick for a whatever player like Reilly Smith, a guy who way underperformed for the Pens last season, I would have said no shot. But unfortunately, I underestimated how awful Drury is and worst of all with no plan whatsoever.

Your # 1 line - Kreider/Zibanejad/Smith. And your Captain hates Drury and the organization now. Nicely done Christopher.
 
Just saw it confirmed. Giving the Pens a 2nd round pick for a 33 year old. He does have a Cup, Cup experience and plays good in the playoffs but it is not a guarentee he will do the same with the Rangers. This was a fall back for Drury.
 
Rangers94 said:
There has to be something going on here behind the scenes. This team was a legit Cup contender last year. We have cap space and could match some of these offers (and no, some of them wouldn’t touch like the Stamkos or Guentzel ones). For us to walk away empty handed right now with all these signings happening speaks to something about this team/franchise. Either free agents don’t want to come play with these players, or they don’t want to play for this franchise. This is pure insanity if Marchessault really signed for 5.5 and we didn’t offer him that.

Plus, why is Trouba still here? Bad GM, that’s why. He leaked to the media about trading Trouba to Detroit and got played by Stevie Y and now we are left holding our dick in our hand with a third pair dman making $8M who will half ass it and force us to either eat the contract and fuck ourselves or make us trade him for pennies on the dollar.
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How is it Drury's fault for this mess when he wasnt the GM giving Trouba that contract, he wasnt the GM that resigned Kreider..
 
Sincere question, can anybody tell me what Drury is doing and what his plan is?

For a team that was close to a SC, with a lot of cap space he traded for useless Wennberg and Roslovic at the trade DL. He clears up cap space by getting rid of Goodrow only to deal a 2nd round pick for a totally whatever player Reilly Smith to be our # 1 RW, and he signs maybe a little better version of Bonino to be our 4th line C.

Please, I am sincerely asking, what is Drury's plan, because I just don't see it.

As I see it, the Smith move is a 100% replica of the panic Roslovic move he made at the trade DL. Oh, everything is gone, and I missed the boat, okay let's add crap to try and make up for it.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
How is it Drury's fault for this mess when he wasnt the GM giving Trouba that contract, he wasnt the GM that resigned Kreider..
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I didn’t say it was his fault for giving those guys that contract but it IS Drury’s fault for leaking to the press that he was trading Trouba without presumably talking with Trouba or even having Trouba’s list in hand. And why are you mentioning Kreider? I didn’t even bring him up. Did you respond to the right message Al? Because your response was way off topic to what I wrote.
 
Smith underperformed so much for the Pens last season, they scratched him a few times, and then moved him down in the lineup because he was so useless. I guarantee when Drury said I'll give you a 2nd rounder for him the Pens said OMG yes before you rethink it. They did backflips to get the $5M off their tight cap. That is one of the worst moves I have ever seen honestly considering that is the "fix" for the top line RW issues that have been around for a few years now. WOW.

And for the draft pick lovers, the Rangers have no 2nd round pick in 25, 26, and 27 (they also have no 3rd round pick in 25). What do they have to show for it???
 
Don’t like giving up a second round pick, but you can get those back if you go that route. Smith is a winner. He’s also clutch and he’s been historically a great playoff player. That’s what a president trophy winning GM does instead of overpaying for fucking retards.
 
I dont mind Smith. Pens retaining 25% on his salary. Need a Dman - cant play Jones and expect to beat the heavier teams.
 
At some point in time, you’re going to have to get picks back and I’m assuming he’s gonna move Kakko to do so. They can’t be relying on Chytil.
 
The President trophy means SH*T if you don't win and take advantage of the better matchups and home ice. And he did give up a 2nd rounder for a player the Pens scratched and demoted. Please stop already.

In the past 4 seasons, he has had one season where he scored more than 16 goals. And he has been okay in the playoffs not great, one playoff season with more than 14 points is not great.

What good is it re-signing Igor, Lindgren, Lafreniere if the team is sh*t anyway and not good enough to win. Does it really matter big picture...the answer is a resounding NO.
 
Your fucking lost 94. Marchessault is a PP specialist who had two good playoff runs. Wake the fuck up. You have to be in your early 20s or 30s. You can’t possibly be this stupid. He’s also 5’9 just exactly what we need to get through Florida. Dumbass.
 
Rangers94 said:
I didn’t say it was his fault for giving those guys that contract but it IS Drury’s fault for leaking to the press that he was trading Trouba without presumably talking with Trouba or even having Trouba’s list in hand. And why are you mentioning Kreider? I didn’t even bring him up. Did you respond to the right message Al? Because your response was way off topic to what I wrote.
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you have so many repeating posts about how much Drury sucks,... beating a dead horse... my point is...his hands are tied...you are assuming it was Drury who leaked the information...ever think that maybe Trouba leaked it knowing he was going to get traded and didnt want to go?
So he couldnt move Trouba...has a couple of RFA's to sign...his hands are tied... unfortunately with this cap the Rangers cant overpay for another vet and hope he works out... i so remember how many people were killing Drury for Vinny T ..that seemed to be a good deal...you had to overpay for Z because there wasnt many options... people wanted Kreids resigned..well..that happened.. Bread was a pre Drury contract. These guys are not moveable the only asset that has real value that can bring back alot is Fox.
 
No surprise the Pens ate 25% as they know they stole a 2nd from Drury. And let me be clear on Smith, and everyone should view it this way, if he was added to be the 3rd line RW I would maybe be somewhat okay with the trade. But he was added to be the 1st line RW because Drury missed on all the players who are actually 1st line RW's, then had to deal a 2nd to get a guy who isn't a # 1 RW. Please understand that it makes the trade terrible IMO.
 
Question for you Al, you are a good and very reasonable guy. You are good with Drury and his moves, and panic at the trade DL? You are good with his move today being to deal a 2nd for Reilly Smith to be our # 1 RW? Seriously asking, not trying to be a jerk.
 
The team lost in six games in the conference finals to the team who won the cup and he’s crying like a fucking pussy about free agency. This is the problem with the Madison Square Garden crowd. They’re a bunch of fucking spoiled brats and dumb fucks who aren’t true fans who basically just sit there and go to games cause they can afford to go. I’ve never seen a bunch of bigger candy asses about free agency than what’s on this board right now. They have absolutely no fucking clue what players we have to sign next year or they’re just not paying attention to it.
 
Every year it’s the same shit with retards like 94. Trade all our picks and prospects, sacrifice our future and go big name hunting. I’m not happy we gave up a second round pick, but I believe that if they don’t achieve their goal this year they’re going to dump at least three players in the off-season. Or perhaps some at the deadline.
 
Go give Igor $12M, and Miller and Laf huge money, and Lindgren good money this year. What does it matter if the team isn't good enough to win a Cup anyway, which I thought was the goal. Instead of taking advantage of the last year of a reasonable cap hit for Igor, Drury F's up the Trouba deal and pisses him off and deals a 2nd for a bottom 6 RW to be our # 1 RW. Come on now.
 
Again, I know it is difficult for you, but neither 94 said deal all the picks and prospects. You repeating your nonsense lies doesn't make it true. And you are the one on board with dealing a 2nd for Smith, I am not. So again, your nonsense is just that, nonsense.
 
A 2027 2nd rounder for a Reilly Smith with 25% retained on an expiring deal is not a terrible trade. Fills out the roster for next year while also keeping room available and options open for the following offseason. It’s a deadline-type move done earlier to allow that line to gel. Not a coincidence that Panarin-Trocheck-Laf, our best line, started playing together in November.

I also wouldn’t focus on him being “1RW”. Kreider/Mika have shown they can produce with a guy who might not be a true "1RW" but plays a shoot-first rush game and get get involved in the corners. (think Vatrano). Lafrienire is our 1RW and he is about to be paid as such.

If anyone was expecting Marchessault for 4 years, or Stamkos for 4 years, or Bertuzzi for 4 years, or anything like that, while Kreider and Panarin each have years left and Laf is about to break the bank, well that’s on you. The only deal out there that would have made sense to me for a top 6 RW was Arviddson, and he stayed out west for 2 in EDM.

Waiting to see if an improvement is coming on D. That remains the biggest issue for the short term.

I’d also like to see a backup plan to Chytil. Cannot go into the season counting on him to play 82+16.

Otherwise, nobody else in the East seems that much better. Maybe the Devils but they still suck.
 
kreidertime said:
Your fucking lost 94. Marchessault is a PP specialist who had two good playoff runs. Wake the fuck up. You have to be in your early 20s or 30s. You can’t possibly be this stupid. He’s also 5’9 just exactly what we need to get through Florida. Dumbass.
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I literally just posted how he wasn’t a PP specialist and gave you actual stats. You are giving opinions. You are a fucking retard.
 
Smith is not terrible. Dont mind him on the top line or the 3rd line but he needs to play like a top 6 guy if this team is going to compete for a Cup again. Cant have the same problem - nobody that can gel with the two Houdinis
 
NYR_94 said:
Question for you Al, you are a good and very reasonable guy. You are good with Drury and his moves, and panic at the trade DL? You are good with his move today being to deal a 2nd for Reilly Smith to be our # 1 RW? Seriously asking, not trying to be a jerk.
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Its not as easy as you are making it... am I happy..no i would have loved to get Stamkos but...not going to bankrupt the future with yet another overpaid vet on the wrong side of the mountain. We need to be reasonable as no one here is a fly on the wall in Drury's office. You making assumptions based on your raw feelings right now.

One way to look at all of this... we again were very close to a final, losing the eventual champs, again... you have to believe that Fox and Trouba both had crippling injuries...to me Fox was as much a disappointment in this playoff run as Z was in the Florida series. A healthy Fox and Trouba we could have and should have won against the Panthers.
The cap is just as much as an opponent than any other gm in this league right now. Chytil injuries are just as much a problem as the cap as coming off the Devil playoff series you were hoping for big things from Chytil Kakko and Laffy... you are asking Drury to be David Cooperfield while having his hands tied behind his back
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
you have so many repeating posts about how much Drury sucks,... beating a dead horse... my point is...his hands are tied...you are assuming it was Drury who leaked the information...ever think that maybe Trouba leaked it knowing he was going to get traded and didnt want to go?
So he couldnt move Trouba...has a couple of RFA's to sign...his hands are tied... unfortunately with this cap the Rangers cant overpay for another vet and hope he works out... i so remember how many people were killing Drury for Vinny T ..that seemed to be a good deal...you had to overpay for Z because there wasnt many options... people wanted Kreids resigned..well..that happened.. Bread was a pre Drury contract. These guys are not moveable the only asset that has real value that can bring back alot is Fox.
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So then no GM should ever be blamed for the previous regime or making things worse.
kreidertime said:
The team lost in six games in the conference finals to the team who won the cup and he’s crying like a fucking pussy about free agency. This is the problem with the Madison Square Garden crowd. They’re a bunch of fucking spoiled brats and dumb fucks who aren’t true fans who basically just sit there and go to games cause they can afford to go. I’ve never seen a bunch of bigger candy asses about free agency than what’s on this board right now. They have absolutely no fucking clue what players we have to sign next year or they’re just not paying attention to it.
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You’re a dumb fuck. Truly are. IQ of a tomato.

This team didn’t win the Cup so, according to you, it’s a waste of a year. Fine. I’ll go along with that. So we need to get better. Instead of getting better we have destroyed the team chemistry possibly with this Trouba shit and haven’t made any impactful moves. We traded away a 2nd round pick for a middle of the road player to a division rival. How in the hell is that a good deal????

I’m aware of what we SHOULD sign next year, not have to sign. You are worried about giving a guy 5.5M who has shown he can produce 5v5 unlike Kreider and Mika who you bashed endlessly all year and playoffs long. You want to give 12M+ to a goalie who is all world, but hasn’t won anything yet and the NHL has shown lesser goalies can win with a more complete team in front of them. Do I want Igor gone? Absofuckinglutely not! I want his number hanging in the rafters! But if we give him all that money, that means that in the future we will be unable to sign/resign important pieces. We will all be on this board screaming at each other like we were on the ESPN boards with Hanks teams.

And you are once again saying if we aren’t good enough we will dump players and get picks back. Exactly who will be doing these trades? Drury? He has shown he gets his pants pulled downed countless times in trades or is incapable of pulling the trigger when necessary. We were supposed to be rid of Trouba and have cap space. How’d that work out? We traded for AHLers at the trade deadline when we had a legit chance to try and win it all. Now, once again, here we are watching several teams add real pieces to better themselves with real players and we added an AHL center and a RW that scored a whopping 13 goals last year. Maybe he works out and I hope he does, but there are analytics people have posted online about him last year that showed the Pens were better with him off the ice than on it.
 
BigDaddyAl1973 said:
Its not as easy as you are making it... am I happy..no i would have loved to get Stamkos but...not going to bankrupt the future with yet another overpaid vet on the wrong side of the mountain. We need to be reasonable as no one here is a fly on the wall in Drury's office. You making assumptions based on your raw feelings right now.

One way to look at all of this... we again were very close to a final, losing the eventual champs, again... you have to believe that Fox and Trouba both had crippling injuries...to me Fox was as much a disappointment in this playoff run as Z was in the Florida series. A healthy Fox and Trouba we could have and should have won against the Panthers.
The cap is just as much as an opponent than any other gm in this league right now. Chytil injuries are just as much a problem as the cap as coming off the Devil playoff series you were hoping for big things from Chytil Kakko and Laffy... you are asking Drury to be David Cooperfield while having his hands tied behind his back
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I have not seen one person say we should have signed Stamkos for $8M. That was a HUGE overpay for Nashville. Marchessault is who most everyone is upset about us not getting and for that price. Like I said, I’m curious as to what’s happening. Is it Drury is incompetent and can’t get it done or is it that players just don’t want to come here? Seems weird we could lure one free agent worth a damn here when we were so close to the finals.
 
By the way dump, here’s your “PP specialist’s” stats for the past 5 years.
Total goals: 140
PP goals: 31
Yep. Screams PP specialist.
 
Rangers94 said:
So then no GM should ever be blamed for the previous regime or making things worse.

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Did i say all GM's.... i said Drury has his hands tied... you are being a monday night qb .... which move would you have bettered than what the player received.... and lets go from there..

We had approximately 11.8million available with only 4 dman signed
You would probably need 3 to 4 million to sign Lingren and Schneider to get to 6 dman leaving roughly 8 to 9 million to sign someone else

Would you have given more to Stamkos... 4 years 32 million basically ending your spending
Would you have given Marchessault 5 years at 25 million... more years or more total salary...again ending your spending
you have not much flexibility if you sign either one come deadline day


What was your plan other than complain after the fact?
 
He has no plan. He's a dumb fuck who never wants to give prospects a chance. The same core team that got the team to the presidents trophy is coming back. Smith is on board. Wennberg and Roslovic are RFA's. First, they need to sign Lindgren and Schneider. Othmann like Cuylle got a year in the AHL. He should be on this team next year and his game like Cuylle's is built for the playoffs. However, it's hard as a rookie to produce in the playoffs. Cuylle hopefully will become a Matteu type. Sykora should be a serious contender for the 4th line. Trouba is going to get bought out if Drury can't trade him. That is the strong rumor.
 
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