Offseason: One big player or three good bench players? What would you do? (1 Viewer)

[JfizzleBlazer]

Do you think we should spend all our money on a big like Al Jefferson or Nikola Pekovic?

Or would you rather spread the $$$ among Hickson, Redick, Boobie Gibson to fill out our bench (with the hope Leonard progresses to a starter)?

Or would you rather use the space to acquire guys from teams looking to dump players (like Memphis did with some quality players) with assets (picks)?

And yes, I know MM has an offseason thread, but I thought a "poll option" would be good to have an easy way to look back on after the offseason to see who wanted what.

 

[RR7]

I voted neither, in hopes of using for a trade, but absent of that, I see nobody I want to spend big money on, so second choice would be bench guys.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Not big money on Jefferson, but I'd offer Pek about 11-12 million.

 

[KingSpeed]

Not big money on Jefferson, but I'd offer Pek about 11-12 million.

What do you like about Pek?

 

[Nikolokolus]

What do you like about Pek?

Big, tough, plays well around the rim.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

*Nikola Pekovic - Entering his prime, legit starting center. Leonard is clearly a ways away.
*Sign Kosta
*Deport Freeland and Claver
*Draft BPA

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Pek is built like a tank. I'd love to sign him away for $11-12 million per year.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Neil is on record as adding 3 players.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Neil is on record as adding 3 players.

Well that would be awfully silly for him to pigeonhole himself into just one avenue ... and besides, even if he did max one guy out, he'd still have a caproom exception worth 2.5 million and the veteran's minimum to offer somebody else.

 

[magnifier661]

Not big money on Jefferson, but I'd offer Pek about 11-12 million.

I would do this. And if it doesn't pan out, we could still keep hickson at 7 mil after and build with a 6 mil offer to reddick and use vet mle for a vet

 

[drexlersdad]

would love to snag some talent and assets in a trade, use PAs checkbook to their advantage like the good old days

 

[Mediocre Man]

Lopsided trade.

Hibbertt
Gortat
M. Gasol


Or go big

Pekovic

Third would be a bench

Dalembert
Evans
Landry
Jack

 

[magnifier661]

would love to snag some talent and assets in a trade, use PAs checkbook to their advantage like the good old days

Allen planned the lock out all along. He knows that only a few teams have owners or revenues to support a luxury tax team. All the sudden playing in Portland ain't half bad!

 

[Blaze01]

I don't think adding Hibbert would have made this team a perennial championship contender, nor do I think overpaying Pekovic $11-12 million would either....

 

[BBert]

I picked door number one, but I think it's more likely to be achieved through door number three. So, one and three.

 

[magnifier661]

Retain Hickson, Trade Matthews and Leonard for Monroe, sign Reddick for max MLE, sign and trade Babbitt and E Will for a vet role player. Championship 2014

 

[Mediocre Man]

Retain Hickson, Trade Matthews and Leonard for Monroe, sign Reddick for max MLE, sign and trade Babbitt and E Will for a vet role player. Championship 2014

So if you were Detroit, you'd trade Monroe for Matthews and Leonard?

 

[magnifier661]

So if you were Detroit, you'd trade Monroe for Matthews and Leonard?

Yes because their deficiency is at SG. They may lose Maxiell this summer. Monroe and Drummand, IMO, can't play at the same time. So the question is "Do they want to keep Drummand or Monroe?"

EDIT: Another Angle could be sign and trade Hickson and Matthews for Monroe, Prince and B. Knight

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=amp83fo

I just used Lillard because his contract of 3 mil + 4 mil for Hickson should add up to what Hickson may demand this summer.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yes because their deficiency is at SG. They may lose Maxiell this summer. Monroe and Drummand, IMO, can't play at the same time. So the question is "Do they want to keep Drummand or Monroe?"

EDIT: Another Angle could be sign and trade Hickson and Matthews for Monroe, Prince and B. Knight

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=amp83fo

I just used Lillard because his contract of 3 mil + 4 mil for Hickson should add up to what Hickson may demand this summer.

I think you have some pretty solid over/under valuating going on. Hickson and Matthews for Monroe, Prince and Knight?

 

[blue9]

Maxing out a player is almost always a bad move.
A bunch of middling players will just take us from a borderline lotto team, to a Playoff team, but not a contender.
Only way to turn this team into a contender is through trades. Unless we somehow get lucky with one of those late draft picks who becomes a star player.

 

[magnifier661]

I think you have some pretty solid over/under valuating going on. Hickson and Matthews for Monroe, Prince and Knight?

You think? I personally don't think so since Prince is getting 7.2 mil next season, 7.7 the following. Matthews, on the other hand is getting 6.8 mil and 7.2 million, is younger, plays good defense and shoots the ball at a much better rate. Detroit is also probably going to either match a 11-13 mil contract for Maxiell that will chock hold any ability to have cap space this summer if they want to keep him. If they let Maxiell go and do this deal; they still have 11 million free to offer a free agent.

 

[Nikolokolus]

If you want Monroe Mags, Hickson and Matthews probably aren't going to get it done.

 

[magnifier661]

If you want Monroe Mags, Hickson and Matthews probably aren't going to get it done.

I think it's debatable, but definitely leaning more towards your opinion. I am offering something that helps Detroit with their cap space, retain a solid PF without having to give theirs 12-13 million, and grab a defensive minded solid shooting SG. I don't think it's as bad as you think. And possibly take back Prince, so they can rebuild properly.

Now they can use their good draft pick to pick up a SF; which I read is a decent class in this draft.

Detroit after this deal would have a starting line-up of:
PG: Stuckey, SG: Matthews, SF: Free Agent/Draft Pick, PF: Hickson, Center: Drummand. All the players are under 25. EDIT: Fuck Stuckey and Matthews are 26, my bad.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Detroit wants to get rid of Stuckey, probably needs to upgrade from Tayshaun and definitely wants to keep Monroe and Drummond.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I think it's debatable, but definitely leaning more towards your opinion. I am offering something that helps Detroit with their cap space, retain a solid PF without having to give theirs 12-13 million, and grab a defensive minded solid shooting SG. I don't think it's as bad as you think. And possibly take back Prince, so they can rebuild properly.

Now they can use their good draft pick to pick up a SF; which I read is a decent class in this draft.

Detroit after this deal would have a starting line-up of:
PG: Stuckey, SG: Matthews, SF: Free Agent/Draft Pick, PF: Hickson, Center: Drummand. All the players are under 25.

I think Detroit would like to have Matthews, but Monroe is probably a foundation piece with Drummond. That's a pretty nice PF/C combo for years. What they could probably use is an upgrade at SF. Unless you could convince them that Matthews could be that guy, you'd need to do a 3 way somehow, netting us guys like Singler and Jabreko along with maybe a pick

 

[magnifier661]

I think Detroit would like to have Matthews, but Monroe is probably a foundation piece with Drummond. That's a pretty nice PF/C combo for years. What they could probably use is an upgrade at SF. Unless you could convince them that Matthews could be that guy, you'd need to do a 3 way somehow, netting us guys like Singler and Jabreko along with maybe a pick

I'm not saying I disagree with anything you are saying. What you would like and what you can keep and improve are two separate issues, IMO. Monroe would be their most valuable trading asset without losing too much. Drummand is obviously their foundational piece and they want to replace Prince with a younger player.

If they really want to get rid of Stuckey; then you can just add him to the mix, adding Clavar too (young SF).

 

[Nikolokolus]

Mags, I can almost feel the mental gymnastics you are going through trying to convince yourself that Monroe is attainable for our bits and pieces. If you want him then you have to trade Batum to get him.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Mags, I can almost feel the mental gymnastics you are going through trying to convince yourself that Monroe is attainable for our bits and pieces. If you want him then you have to trade Batum to get him.

This is kinda how I feel as well, Mags. 28 other teams would love to have Monroe, so IF Detroit felt the need to deal him, they probably wouldn't have to "settle"

 

[magnifier661]

Mags, I can almost feel the mental gymnastics you are going through trying to convince yourself that Monroe is attainable for our bits and pieces. If you want him then you have to trade Batum to get him.

I just don't see Hickson and Matthews being "bits and pieces". But if you say so.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I just don't see Hickson and Matthews being "bits and pieces". But if you say so.

JJ puts up empty stats. You have posted several times that his defense s not good, and read several times that his actual production vs what he gives up isn't good either.

Matthews has yet another year of below 15.00 PER