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Strenuus said:
Can you verify all those claims in the first few sentences?
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using elipses like I do, I only see one sentence but verification would cost you big bucks....I get paid by the word
 
Strenuus said:
Can you verify all those claims in the first few sentences?
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Dame first brought it to my attention when he talked about Neil...it was when Aldridge was taking meeting in Los Angeles...the gym rat and accessibility part...the hair gel and suits are just color commentary...I also assumed Jerry West doesn't want the job
 
riverman said:
I disagree....people have been spouting about Neil since he arrived mostly because he uses hair gel and wears expensive suits and says "look" a lot but he's actually a gym rat who spends more time in the practices than probably most GMs in the league....I think he came here with the stigma that he's still a Hollywood soap opera hack actor...he's actually a sports nut who lives in that world daily. Dame has praised his accessibility with the team and said it's rare in the league....if Jerry West wanted the job, sure.....best GM in the league but one issue...Jerry West doesn't want the job
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No, really, he LOVES LA and would go back in a heartbeat and same with his wife.
 
calvin natt said:
No, really, he LOVES LA and would go back in a heartbeat and same with his wife.
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He's in LA whenever he wants to be now...probably same with his wife...it's not that far to bop down there..but living there is terrible compared to Portland in my view...Neil travels a lot...and I don't see why he would move here and give up his Clippers gig and his tv gig unless he wanted that change..and I've lived in both places...raising a family in LA would suck...flying down there for a weekend can be fun
 
riverman said:
He's in LA whenever he wants to be now...probably same with his wife...it's not that far to bop down there..but living there is terrible compared to Portland in my view...Neil travels a lot...and I don't see why he would move here and give up his Clippers gig and his tv gig unless he wanted that change..and I've lived in both places...raising a family in LA would suck...flying down there for a weekend can be fun
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well whatever you or I think about LA is irrelevant. The weather, their friends and family, some people just love LA. Being in Portland hasn’t been easy for them, I don’t think. Not saying they hate it here, but it’s not LA and they love LA.
 
Binx said:
Imagine being Neil Olshey. You have a team that went to the Western Conference Finals. You have a great player who made a shot heard round the world. You are poised to take the next step and compete for an NBA championship.

So you trade or release half the team, bring in a batch of new guys, and the next season you sink to the bottom of the league.

Olshey now appears set to become the GM who ruined Portland’s chances for another championship—and took away Lillard’s best opportunity to get a ring.

Is he even sleeping at night? Is he on suicide watch?By all measures, this appears to be a miscalculation of historic proportions. Unless something dramatic happens, the Blazers are going to struggle for the remainder of the year, and can only hope that two guys coming back from major injuries are somehow going to save them.
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Unfortunately Olshey’s historic miscalculation can be reproduced in Excel with about 15 minutes of effort on basketballreference.com. The ET debacle only takes 2 minutes to confirm. But hey, who needs analytics... Olshey has eyes.
 
bobf said:
Unfortunately Olshey’s historic miscalculation can be reproduced in Excel with about 15 minutes of effort on basketballreference.com. The ET debacle only takes 2 minutes to confirm. But hey, who needs analytics... Olshey has eyes.
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Yeah, constructing a basketball team is as simple as getting the players wirh the best BPMs... you cracked the code.
 
On the brighter side:
Nurk Zach Hood CJ Dame is a great starting lineup. We just need to hope Little, Ant, Trent, Skal and whoever else we get can develop to make a good second unit. So we should use this season to make that happen.
 
BonesJones said:
Yeah, constructing a basketball team is as simple as getting the players wirh the best BPMs... you cracked the code.
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Yeah, except I didn’t say it’s that simple. But what you don’t do for example, is pay $70 million for a player with 8 straight years of significantly negative BPM. That would be dumb.
 
calvin natt said:
well whatever you or I think about LA is irrelevant. The weather, their friends and family, some people just love LA. Being in Portland hasn’t been easy for them, I don’t think. Not saying they hate it here, but it’s not LA and they love LA.
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That's why they moved here eh? I'd love a nickel for everyone I know who's left that place and not looked back..I'm curious why you think Neil wants to live there...the guy grew up in New York City....biggest market on the planet and didn't move back there either...he travels the world for a living...coming home to Oregon is underrated...last I checked there were like 14 fires burning up the gated communities around LA.....el prez has been doing his sage cleansing of the city would be my guess....that'd take a mountain of sage!
 
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riverman said:
Baze could turn into a Wes Mathews type 3 and D guy...he's not great around the rim though and neither was Wes.....Wes used to brick fast break layups often with nobody between him and the basket...Baze tries to drive into 3 defenders and doesn't have the chops to finish yet.
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Do you know how old Bazemore is? He is what he is.
 
riverman said:
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Plumlee for Nurk? Well, we definitely disagree on this one....if this is dumpster diving..I want some more of that
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Not sure what interview it was, but he talked about the Cap implications and Plumlee's ending contract along with getting the 1st round pick much more than he talked about Nurkic. What he did talk about Nurk, it was the standard, he's had some injuries, we think he has potential, etc, line which was of course true. But he wasn't touting Nurk near as much as the pick/cap issues. It was probably above dumpster diving, but certainly not a swing for the fences at least the way he was talking about it at the time. It certainly worked out in Portland's favor but has yet to get the Blazers to contender status. To be fair, Nurk has been injured in some manner every season but one in his NBA career. He obviously has talent but is having trouble staying healthy.
 
wizenheimer said:
c'mon...people like to use hyperbole, especially on an internet sports forum. It's kind of ridiculous that others are always dissecting and splitting the hairs of the hyperbole. Not everything said around here is literal, and not all nits have to be picked. Sometimes, it's better to let somebody vent without having to go all Matlock and push back on every little exaggeration they use. I don't believe the OP actually believes Olshey is in a panic, but signing Melo at the point he was signed wasn't the move of a GM in a good spot, either

I mean for chrissakes...read the OP..."suicide watch"....? does anybody really think that was serious?

and KJ, I'm not really meaning to single you out because a lot of people get carried away around here in arguing nearly meaningless points into the ground, myself included.
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The art of sarcasm as humor is lost on some people. I personally enjoy it. :bwpopcorn:
 
TBpup said:
Not sure what interview it was, but he talked about the Cap implications and Plumlee's ending contract along with getting the 1st round pick much more than he talked about Nurkic. What he did talk about Nurk, it was the standard, he's had some injuries, we think he has potential, etc, line which was of course true. But he wasn't touting Nurk near as much as the pick/cap issues. It was probably above dumpster diving, but certainly not a swing for the fences at least the way he was talking about it at the time. It certainly worked out in Portland's favor but has yet to get the Blazers to contender status. To be fair, Nurk has been injured in some manner every season but one in his NBA career. He obviously has talent but is having trouble staying healthy.
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fair enough..we disagree though...I think it was a homerun....AD and KLove and Blake have trouble staying healthy
 
riverman said:
fair enough..we disagree though...I think it was a homerun....AD and KLove and Blake have trouble staying healthy
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Not sure who said it wasn't a Home Run. For what they gave up, Portland definitely won that trade. But you can hit a Home Run without swinging for the fences and that was the premise of the original point that was being resonded to. Occassionally, you just run into one. That's great for Portland!
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Do you know how old Bazemore is? He is what he is.
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They said that about Chauncey Billups for most of his early career when he was trade fodder...not everyone is a quick study...especially when you have a new situation...all these early awkward turnovers are from hesitation...passing isn't second nature or flow yet across the entire roster...it's why we're shooting mostly jumpers
 
riverman said:
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Plumlee for Nurk? Well, we definitely disagree on this one....if this is dumpster diving..I want some more of that
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I explained what it was...in my view. Portland was risking almost nothing and trading an easy replaceable player. They weren't going to be able to afford Plumlee's new contract, and that was due in 5 months. Olshey's motivation was to find a big man that had a year longer on his rookie deal than Plumlee did (Olshey even said that himself). If Denver hadn't added a 1st at the last minute, it's very likely the Blazers would have traded for Okafor. Philly thought it was a done deal and held Okafor out of games till Portland backed out...that's how close it was. The main motivation for the trade was cap-considerations

the trade worked out great for the Blazers, but that was probably more accident than intention. None of those factors fit a swing-for-the-fences, but of course we could have different ideas what that phrase mean; to me, it's about the swing, not the result

unfortunately, it hasn't been a home-run either because Nurkic has had trouble staying healthy. He's had a significant injury in 3 of the last 4 seasons and has only been healthy in 4 of Portland's 24 playoff games. In the last 4.2 seasons, he's missed 120 games...and counting. That's a big worry, IMO
 
riverman said:
They said that about Chauncey Billups for most of his early career when he was trade fodder...not everyone is a quick study...especially when you have a new situation...all these early awkward turnovers are from hesitation...passing isn't second nature or flow yet across the entire roster...it's why we're shooting mostly jumpers
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Then how do you explain the last 4 years? We've been shooting mostly jumpers since Stotts has been hired. During that time, passing has never been second nature either.

Granted, this year the problems have been exacerbated...but it's not like they are NEW issues to the team.
 
tester551 said:
Then how do you explain the last 4 years? We've been shooting mostly jumpers since Stotts has been hired. During that time, passing has never been second nature either.

Granted, this year the problems have been exacerbated...but it's not like they are NEW issues to the team.
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Mason Plumlee was a great passer for us....Nurk is a great passer....Dame is a decent passer if he's targeting a guy who can corral the ball...CJ has improved his passing but we have been a 3pt shooting or pick and roll team for that stretch...this season the pick and roll game is ugly with turnovers..chemistry. Melo made a couple really good passes last game too...that all said, we iso too much and dribble too much often ...I disagree about second nature....our last 4 years before this change we've had flow and chemistry..we haven't had a stellar passing pt guard since Andre Miller...I'll say this though....we suck at alley oop passes
 
wizenheimer said:
the trade worked out great for the Blazers, but that was probably more accident than intention.
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I don't think that's a fair assessment of Olshey's move.....sounds like you have a low opinion of Olshey's ability to evaluate talent to me..you're not alone in that view but I'm not in that camp at all.
 
riverman said:
I don't think that's a fair assessment of Olshey's move.....sounds like you have a low opinion of Olshey's ability to evaluate talent to me..you're not alone in that view but I'm not in that camp at all.
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that's not it....it's because according to the 'reporting', Olshey was really close to trading for Okafor instead of Nurkic. He was trading a big, for a big, and the motivation was cap & tax....which Olshey said himself. Common sense would suggest that the two things that compelled that trade was Plumlee's contract and Denver's 1st round pick
 
wizenheimer said:
that's not it....it's because according to the 'reporting', Olshey was really close to trading for Okafor instead of Nurkic. He was trading a big, for a big, and the motivation was cap & tax....which he said himself. Common sense would suggest that the two things that compelled that trade was Plumlee's contract and Denver's 1st round pick
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Olshey made a good decision....it's that simple no matter how many due diligence scenarios he considered. For that he should get credit....not because he almost considered other deals...I'm sure he considered dozens of deals...I chalk it up to Andre Miller for Raymond Felton karma ..they owed us
 
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