Olshey interview with Jaynes

[Wizard Mentor]

Why would Detroit want Turner?

It's hard for some to swallow, but Blake Griffin is a really, really bad contract. If you're not contending for a championship, he's killing your cap.

 

[BonesJones]

I'm calling it now:

*The pick and TPE will be traded.

*Whiteside will be a Blazer on draft night.

Lol. He said we need guys that can perform in April. Whiteside is the opposite of that.

 

[BonesJones]

MAYbe (but remember, Paul Allen LOVES THE DRAFT).


GOD no. Then what do we do with Nurkic? Makes no sense. Especially after Whiteside was a non-factor for the Heat in the playoffs.

Yeah why do people want to pay Whiteside the max but don't want to pay Nurkic $15M?

 

[BonesJones]

Insane payroll if we resign Nurkic and Davis. Payroll would be around 150 million or more

Yup. Expect it.

 

[Gronk Brady]

Yup. Expect it.

30 mil over the cap for a team that can’t win a game in the playoffs... nice!

 

[hoopsjock]

Fair enough... didn’t really look at his stats, just remembered him as a good 3pt shooter... but if he gets rid of Turner and Meyers it’s still worth it IMO, and he may shoot better in this offense

You are "misremembering" as he shot 32.4% his final year here on a good team getting wide open looks.

 

[BonesJones]

30 mil over the cap for a team that can’t win a game in the playoffs... nice!

Who cares how much Paul Allen is spending? Why are people so attached to that money?

 

[Gronk Brady]

Who cares how much Paul Allen is spending? Why are people so attached to that money?

Don’t care about Paul Allen’s money... it’s embarrassing to have that payroll for such a mediocre product...

 

[BonesJones]

Don’t care about Paul Allen’s money... it’s embarrassing to have that payroll for such a mediocre product...

Ehh, who cares.

Its more embarrassing to get swept.

 

[BlayZa]

did he mention meyers at all?

ie

"we'd love to trade meyers for a packet of chips, unfortunately people with packets of chips aren't stupid, and definitely not stupid enough to extend him like we did. he's still an asset and will indeed 'rise up' for another team if we can find someone desperate enough to take him."

 

[BBert]

I'm calling it now:

*The pick and TPE will be traded.

*Whiteside will be a Blazer on draft night.

*Yay!

*Boo!!

 

[Boob-No-More]

Why would Detroit want Turner?

I can think of over 100 million reasons...

Blake makes over twice as much per year and Turner expires two years sooner.

Doing the math, Blake is owed more than $143 million on his current contract. Turner is owed $35 million. That's $108 million in salary alone, plus possible tax savings for DET.

BNM

 

[BBert]

30 mil over the cap for a team that can’t win a game in the playoffs... nice!

I'm pretty sure last year's team wasn't $30 million over the cap

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Who cares how much Paul Allen is spending? Why are people so attached to that money?

It’s about the flexibility of making our roster better. The more money we commit to mediocre talent, the more likely we are to be stuck with them long term. I doubt anyone cares about Allen’s checkbook as much as they do seeing this team improve.

 

[tester551]

Who cares how much Paul Allen is spending? Why are people so attached to that money?

Because eventually it all circles back and effects the amount we as fans are charged

 

[hoopsjock]

It’s about the flexibility of making our roster better. The more money we commit to mediocre talent, the more likely we are to be stuck with them long term. I doubt anyone cares about Allen’s checkbook as much as they do seeing this team improve.

That simply isn't true. They actually are more flexible if they don't care about the tax than if they do. See the last two seasons as a perfect example.

 

[Scalma]

I can think of over 100 million reasons...

Blake makes over twice as much per year and Turner expires two years sooner.

Doing the math, Blake is owed more than $143 million on his current contract. Turner is owed $35 million. That's $108 million in salary alone, plus possible tax savings for DET.

BNM

Detroit would probably trade Griffin in a second if they were able to save that kind of money AND get their pick back. I actually think the issue would be on Portland’s end. Would Paul sign off on it? Does Blake move the needle enough? Idk about A but since I say yes to B I think it’d be worth it. Blake is pretty much the best upgrade we could make without trading CJ. We either have to take on money or trade CJ. There’s no other way to really improve this roster.

 

[hoopsjock]

Detroit would probably trade Griffin in a second if they were able to save that kind of money AND get their pick back. I actually think the issue would be on Portland’s end. Would Paul sign off on it? Does Blake move the needle enough? Idk about A but since I say yes to B I think it’d be worth it. Blake is pretty much the best upgrade we could make without trading CJ. We either have to take on money or trade CJ. There’s no other way to really improve this roster.

Until they make some hires we have no clue if Griffin is even available though.

 

[Scalma]

Until they make some hires we have no clue if Griffin is even available though.

Their personnel answers that question. Doesn’t matter who they hire. That contract is an anchor considering where they’re at.

 

[PDXFonz]

“Had an instance last year to commit to guys, were reluctant to do it, turns out we were involved in a potentially big trade that would have conveyed multiple draft picks, and we wouldn’t have been able to pursue that opportunity if we had given our word to a player or an agent.”

It's official, after the Clips knew CP3 wanted out, we tried to acquire Blake Griffin. Blake Griffin and/or his agent shot that idea down.

Giving your word to a player or agent sounds like exactly what you would want to do before finalizing a deal. Isn't that how you start off a good GM - Player relationship?

Really puts the middle finger incident into perspective.

 

[BonesJones]

It’s about the flexibility of making our roster better. The more money we commit to mediocre talent, the more likely we are to be stuck with them long term. I doubt anyone cares about Allen’s checkbook as much as they do seeing this team improve.

Yeah, it is. So if we make our roster better, who cares what the payroll is?

 

[AFully22]

It's official, after the Clips knew CP3 wanted out, we tried to acquire Blake Griffin. Blake Griffin and/or his agent shot that idea down.

Really puts the middle finger incident into perspective.

Oooooh I love a good conspiracy. Like if the sun is so hot then how come space is so cold, huh? Exactly. We’ve been lied to.

In all seriousness I think he was referring to the PG deal in which we were reportedly offering up all 3 of our first rd picks and anyone outside of Dame, CJ, and Nurk.

 

[PDXFonz]

In before Neil falls back on Greg Monroe like it was always the master plan.

Or Okafor...?

I think it's likely if we do make a move of some sort, it is very possible it is for a player we have heard linked to this team in rumors.

 

[Scalma]

It's official, after the Clips knew CP3 wanted out, we tried to acquire Blake Griffin. Blake Griffin and/or his agent shot that idea down.

Giving your word to a player or agent sounds like exactly what you would want to do before finalizing a deal. Isn't that how you start off a good GM - Player relationship?

Really puts the middle finger incident into perspective.

Wut? When he mentioned making promises, he was talking about prospects.

And the player they wanted to deal for was George. It wouldn’t have taken multiple firsts to get Griffin.

 

[PDXFonz]

Wut? When he mentioned making promises, he was talking about prospects.

And the player they wanted to deal for was George. It wouldn’t have taken multiple firsts to get Griffin.

Or is that what you have been trained to think? Maybe it was aliens all along!

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Yeah, it is. So if we make our roster better, who cares what the payroll is?

If the talent is right, then by all means, spend away!

 

[SheedSoNasty]

That simply isn't true. They actually are more flexible if they don't care about the tax than if they do. See the last two seasons as a perfect example.

I guess my thought process is that we can’t make lopsided trades salary wise or sign free agents.

What flexibility are you referring to in terms of player acquisition?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I wonder if Neil still likes Kanter...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I wonder if Neil still likes Kanter...

Dunno if he does, but I do.

 

[illmatic99]

Dunno if he does, but I do.

Why?

He is essentially unplayable in the playoffs against like every opponent.

This should be our way to gauge whether we want a player or not. Are they a liability in the playoffs on either end and will the opponent target them? If so-- stay far, far away.