Olshey interview with Jaynes

[Natebishop3]

Well Damn! Bummer to be Lebron, Cp3, or any other senior citizen in the NBA. Who knew?

I mean..... what does that have to do with what I said?

 

[Natebishop3]

Great organizations do both. It’s how you become a dynasty vs a one hit wonder.

But we're not a dynasty.... we got swept out of the first round.

 

[Phatguysrule]

But we're not a dynasty.... we got swept out of the first round.

All dynasties have to start somewhere. Remember the Warriors 10 years ago?

Olshey is doing this the right way.

 

[Natebishop3]

All dynasties have to start somewhere. Remember the Warriors 10 years ago?

Neil is doing this the right way.

10 years ago when they they didn't have Curry, Thompson, or Draymond? What about them? You guys keep throwing out weird comparisons that have nothing to do with our current situation.

 

[Propagandist]

All dynasties have to start somewhere. Remember the Warriors 10 years ago?

Olshey is doing this the right way.

This is the beginning of a dynasty?!! Gtfo

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Whenever Neil does an interview:

 

[Propagandist]

Plans based on a major overhaul don’t happen in 6 months, and it is a major overhaul when four of five starters are gone in one year.
I get it’s an instant world and I am not a fan of olshey as much as some, but I’m realistic with timelines and some around here simply are not.

I’m just saying some things have worked, some things have not. But the overall big picture has been improvement every year while searching for that final pc or two to put us over the top.

Man, it hasn't been 6 months...it's been 6 fucking years.

 

[Orion Bailey]

But we're not a dynasty.... we got swept out of the first round.

Gotta start somewhere though. Swept in the first round doesn’t mean blow it up. It means find the right missing pc to get further.

Man, it hasn't been 6 months...it's been 6 fucking years.

No it has not. It’s been three since the major overhaul began. Which is the topic of discussion based on my post.

 

[jlprk]

No it has not. It’s been three since the major overhaul began.

In the NBA, a major overhaul takes a season at most, usually less. No GM is allowed more than that without major criticism, probably getting fired for slowness. Especially when his only trade in 3 years is the easy Nurkic trade, and his motivation is economics, not a continuous effort to improve.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I just think that everything Neil was planning for was the summer of 2016.... and when that totally went bust, he has been a rudderless ship from then on.

I have no clue what he's doing. Last summer and this summer make no sense.

I’m sure he is concerned about us knowing his plan.
So if we know his plan so does the league and they start trying to cockbblock him because he has a plan.

I don’t know if he modified since 2016 or not but just because I don’t know what he is doing doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a plan.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Also. A good gm knows plans should be fluid because every year things change.

 

[Orion Bailey]

In the NBA, a major overhaul takes a season at most, usually less. No GM is allowed more than that without major criticism, probably getting fired for slowness. Especially when his only trade in 3 years is the easy Nurkic trade, and his motivation is economics, not a continuous effort to improve.

That’s complete nonsense.

Easy nurk trade? He flogged them into a better player than plums and a first round pick!!
Easy trades to make are the ones you lose on. Not where you win.

You don’t make trades just to make trades. That is not a good message to players when trying to build a culture.

Show me one team that lost four of five starters and turned it around in a year? Hell show me a team that lost two starters and turned it around in a year.
Clippers say hello. Atlanta says hello.

The nba isn’t a McDonald’s drive thru.....

You are not realistic.

 

[BonesJones]

That’s complete nonsense.

Easy nurk trade? He flogged them into a better player than plums and a first round pick!!
Easy trades to make are the ones you lose on. Not where you win.

You don’t make trades just to make trades. That is not a good message to players when trying to build a culture.

Show me one team that lost four of five starters and turned it around in a year? Hell show me a team that lost two starters and turned it around in a year.
Clippers say hello. Atlanta says hello.

The nba isn’t a McDonald’s drive thru.....

You are not realistic.

Why the hell are we referencing 2015 OB?

 

[BonesJones]

You don’t make trades just to make trades. That is not a good message to players when trying to build a culture.

Correct. You make trades basic on the team's trajectory.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Why the hell are we referencing 2015 OB?

Ask @jlprk he is the one who brought it up.

 

[jlprk]

Ask @jlprk he is the one who brought it up.

In post #99, I quoted you about 3 years.

I have seen many teams reverse direction in one year or less. In fact, I see the Blazers do so every season.

 

[Orion Bailey]

In post #99, I quoted you about 3 years.

I have seen many teams reverse direction in one year or less. In fact, I see the Blazers do so every season.

Apples to oranges. The talk was building a dynasty and contending. Not changing directions.
So in your assessment they have been changing directions every year. I don’t even know what your point was now cause you twisted it all around.

Rebuilds do not successfully happen in 6 months. Show me one team that lost half their starters and turned it around in one year without losing players via trade?

I’ll be patiently waiting for your examples. A team and a year to be specific please.

 

[BonesJones]

Apples to oranges. The talk was building a dynasty and contending. Not changing directions.
So in your assessment they have been changing directions every year. I don’t even know what your point was now cause you twisted it all around.

Rebuilds do not successfully happen in 6 months. Show me one team that lost half their starters and turned it around in one year without losing players via trade?

I’ll be patiently waiting for your examples. A team and a year to be specific please.

Indiana Pacers, 2018.

 

[illmatic99]

Some of the spin people are putting on unequivocally awful moves by Neil has me dizzy. Y'all should be on the PR team. This Dame leaving noise is only going to grow louder next yr. The fact that it's even there is 100% on Neil, and is grounds for firing

 

[julius]

Some of the spin people are putting on unequivocally awful moves by Neil has me dizzy. Y'all should be on the PR team. This Dame leaving noise is only going to grow louder next yr. The fact that it's even there is 100% on Neil, and is grounds for firing

Sometimes noise is just noise.

 

[illmatic99]

But we're not a dynasty.... we got swept out of the first round.

We haven't won a single playoff game in two years and have a first team all NBA talent in his prime on our team. "Dynasty." Lmao. This is just piss poor team building and complete mis-management of the cap. I can't believe people have these blinders on with Neil even now.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Indiana Pacers, 2018.

They are contenders?

LOL Good one.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Indiana Pacers, 2018.

Also, they traded. Not lost.

 

[Propagandist]

No it has not. It’s been three since the major overhaul began.

Alright. It's been three fucking years...

...and I get your point if it wasn't smugfuck Olshey. Dude isn't we-are-building-something-here-kumbaya, he's defensive and cagey and unclear. He doesn't seem to want the fans to feel good. And we've heard this line of reason that if other people know our plans then we're in trouble, to which I say give me a break. People, players and execs--except Paul Allen and Woj--don't seem to like Olshey. Nobody's out there trying to block us from doing things unless it's because Olshey is a fuckass.

 

[hoopsjock]

Alright. It's been three fucking years...

...and I get your point if it wasn't smugfuck Olshey. Dude isn't we-are-building-something-here-kumbaya, he's defensive and cagey and unclear. He doesn't seem to want the fans to feel good. And we've heard this line of reason that if other people know our plans then we're in trouble, to which I say give me a break. People, players and execs--except Paul Allen and Woj--don't seem to like Olshey. Nobody's out there trying to block us from doing things unless it's because Olshey is a fuckass.

Just curious, why do you think other execs don't like Olshey?

 

[riverman]

I mean..... what does that have to do with what I said?

everything...you think our 27 28 year old players are going to degenerate...you think young guys like Nurk can't help them now...sorry..not buying what you're selling here...Spurs were starting 40 year olds and winning...it's a team game, not an age matching game. Ed Davis was the oldest guy on the roster and everyone wanted him back...Chauncey Billups and Sheed just started winning big in their 30s...got a ring.

 

[Natebishop3]

Actually, Neil's plan is pretty clear.

He fucked up in 2016 because we couldn't get an elite free agent and he extended and signed a bunch of horrible deals.

Now we're stuck in cap hell, we can't deal these shitty contracts without sending out picks, and his only real tradable assets are guys he doesn't want to trade.

So now, instead of trying to dump the contracts, he's rolling the dice on raw players with a high ceiling in the hopes that one of them goes big and saves his ass. He'll continue to do this until the contracts expire in two years.

 

[BonesJones]

They are contenders?

LOL Good one.

Since when was that a caveot?

 

[BonesJones]

Also, they traded. Not lost.

What's the point here?

 

[Propagandist]

Just curious, why do you think other execs don't like Olshey?

I'm mostly just projecting my feelings about him, honestly. But I do think, based on inference and much of it, that players don't like him. As to the fact that no GM will ever come out to play with Olshey says something to me as well.