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Mediocre Man said:
So two people in the country illegally and taxpayers are left to pay their bill. Great. I'm sorry they got shot. I feel awful for the families and loved ones of the people who were killed and injured. We all need to learn to live in peace. That being said, I have no compassion for people in this country illegally.
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More accurately, you mean to say that you don't appreciate people living here illegally, but depending on the circumstances you still can have compassion for them?

Some may literally feel as strongly as your sentence implied. Just want to see clearly what your position is. Sorry if it seems obtuse of me.
 
The public wants an entity or someone to blame. Since a well known government asset with three letters had interviewed him twice, then these particular agents will probably be sacked. The incident could have been prevented. Since 50 plus people died Congress finally needed a filibuster to make assault rifles banned from the public. There are still millions of these weapon types out there and the players know how to get whatever they need. The political reaction can address the common nut jobs who want to acquire assault weapons but those that already have stockpiles are considered a underlying fear factor.
 
Bandwagonfansince77 said:
More accurately, you mean to say that you don't appreciate people living here illegally, but depending on the circumstances you still can have compassion for them?

Some may literally feel as strongly as your sentence implied. Just want to see clearly what your position is. Sorry if it seems obtuse of me.
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Yes. As per usual, I worded things poorly.

I have compassion the illegal people in this country were shot
I have zero compassion the illegal people in this country have no idea how to pay for the hospital I will now have to help pay for
 
stampedehero said:
The public wants an entity or someone to blame. Since a well known government asset with three letters had interviewed him twice, then these particular agents will probably be sacked. The incident could have been prevented. Since 50 plus people died Congress finally needed a filibuster to make assault rifles banned from the public. There are still millions of these weapon types out there and the players know how to get whatever they need. The political reaction can address the common nut jobs who want to acquire assault weapons but those that already have stockpiles are considered a underlying fear factor.
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Define assault weapon
 
Denny, if you want to start a thread about Hillary Clinton (again) or the Clinton Foundation or Vince Foster or space aliens that's your privilege.
Hillary Clinton did not murder 49 people in my community so take it fucking elsewhere. If you please.

The first funerals were held yesterday. The lovely people at Westboro Baptist Church are picketing. Where these shitheads get the money to travel constantly spreading hate I don't know.

In somewhat related news, the high court in Kenya has upheld forced anal exams (and HIV and hepatitis testing) of men suspected of being gay. Being gay is a crime punishable by up to 14 years in prison.

The hacker group Anonymous has hacked into every site and social media account associated with ISIS that they could find. They took over the sites and filled them with rainbow flags, gay pride posters, and soft core gay porn. I think I just fell in love.
 
crandc said:
Denny, if you want to start a thread about Hillary Clinton (again) or the Clinton Foundation or Vince Foster or space aliens that's your privilege.
Hillary Clinton did not murder 49 people in my community so take it fucking elsewhere. If you please.

The first funerals were held yesterday. The lovely people at Westboro Baptist Church are picketing. Where these shitheads get the money to travel constantly spreading hate I don't know.

In somewhat related news, the high court in Kenya has upheld forced anal exams (and HIV and hepatitis testing) of men suspected of being gay. Being gay is a crime punishable by up to 14 years in prison.

The hacker group Anonymous has hacked into every site and social media account associated with ISIS that they could find. They took over the sites and filled them with rainbow flags, gay pride posters, and soft core gay porn. I think I just fell in love.
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Sorry, but if you're going to rant about congress and filibusters, she's fair game. Your rant is in part misdirected.
 
All this bullshit about banning assault rifles because they think its going to prohibit terrorists from gaining weapons is fucking stupid. These people already do not abide by laws. The logic is fucking ridiculous.

Actually makes me want to go buy one just to say fuck off to the establishment. I have no need for it, but at this point its the principal.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...democratic-claims-on-assault-rifles-and-guns/

“What we know is that in States that have imposed those reasonable limitations, there are less gun crimes. There are less homicides.”

–Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), speaking on the Senate floor, June 15

We removed suicides from the totals and reran the numbers – and in some cases, it made a huge difference. Half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.


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barfo said:
Only if you are pretty blindly partisan. The president gets daily security briefings. Do you?

barfo
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Well I listened yesterday to the CIA director, I doesn't seem like Obama has. They sure tell two different versions of the same story.
 
@e_blazer this one for you:

From John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
Quoted at memorial for Edward Sotomayor, who pushed his boyfriend to safety before being fatally shot.
 
crandc said:
@e_blazer this one for you:

From John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.
Quoted at memorial for Edward Sotomayor, who pushed his boyfriend to safety before being fatally shot.
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Absolutely perfect choice. Thanks, crandc.
 
Denny Crane said:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...democratic-claims-on-assault-rifles-and-guns/

“What we know is that in States that have imposed those reasonable limitations, there are less gun crimes. There are less homicides.”

–Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.), speaking on the Senate floor, June 15

We removed suicides from the totals and reran the numbers – and in some cases, it made a huge difference. Half of the 10 states with the lowest gun-death rates turn out to be states with less-restrictive gun laws.


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These guns ruin one of my favorite Archie Bunker quotes. When told of the statistics of handgun deaths by Gloria, he said something like "would it make ya feel any better little girl if they was pushed outta windows?"

THAT was a perfect comeback for the time. Not today. You'd be hard pressed to push 50 people out of windows at the rate you can kill people with an AR-15.

I've always hate a rule change at work that happens because ONE person takes advantage of a situation, we all end up punished even though we weren't the problem. These mass shootings while rare in the grand scheme aren't rare enough.

It might just be time to amend the constitution. It would be a disaster trying to round these guns up, plus they are cool as shit. I went to some gun show with a friend and there was some awesome stuff there.
 
Curiouser and curiouser. It was just reported on CNN that the murderer texted his wife "do you see what's going on" while holding people hostage in bathroom and she texted back "I love you". Holy fuck.

Ted Cruz has said that our community needs to be protected and that only Republicans will do so. Like Ted Cruz, who spoke on platforms alongside preachers calling for killing gays. Or his father who said marriage equality was a plot to destroy society. Or Pat Robertson who suggested gays and Muslims kill each other off. Or Donald Trump who vowed to appoint Supreme Court justices who would overturn marriage equality and allow businesses to refuse to serve gays. Or the Republican National Committee, who deleted all references to gays in their statement on the Orlando massacre.

Like they say, with friends like these...
 
stampedehero said:
"Any of various automatic or semi automatic rifles designed for military use with large capacity magazines. Miriam Webster Dictionary 1993 edition
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Now define it again, but this time use the word "metamorphic" in the description, and use a total of exactly 15 words.

barfo
 
http://kdvr.com/2016/06/14/gun-sales-surge-after-orlando-shooting/

The Pink Pistols is a national gun club for gays and lesbians. It saw its membership soar from about 1,500 members on Saturday to 3,500 on Monday.

Dozens of new chapters are springing up, including one Smith is creating in Colorado Springs. He said it’s something he feels compelled to do, even though he’s heterosexual.

“I look at it as a disenfranchised minority that needs someone who’s willing to say I’m a resource who’s here and willing to help,” he said.

Another chapter also appears to be forming in the Denver area. The Pink Pistols typically meet on a regular basis at firing ranges to practice shooting.
 
Desperately attempting to keep thread on topic in face of usual suspects convinced it's all about them.

More news about killer. He had troubles, serious ones, from early childhood. As early as third grade, reported repeated violent behavior towards other children with sexual overtones. I'm no headshrinker but it sure sounds like some history of sexual abuse. No, not saying that to excuse him, just saying this was clearly a VERY disturbed person aside from being a racist homophobe gun nut. Although being a racist homophobe gun nut was part of his dysfunction. And yet he had no trouble assembling an arsenal and being hired as an armed private guard.
 
blue32 said:
All this bullshit about banning assault rifles because they think its going to prohibit terrorists from gaining weapons is fucking stupid. These people already do not abide by laws. The logic is fucking ridiculous.

Actually makes me want to go buy one just to say fuck off to the establishment. I have no need for it, but at this point its the principal.
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Yet this guy bought an assault rifle legally and you don't know that he could have picked up an illegal one easily. Also, like with the last shooter who had a neighbor that bought weapons for him, they can get them quite easily since they are legally obtainable.

My question is why is an assault rifle even necessary? It is not a sport rifle, which I 100% support the ownership of. It is meant to kill other humans and is damn good at it. Why can't we have some reasonable laws that prevent mentally ill, suspected terrorists, watch list, et al from getting weapons and similar gun paraphernalia? A normal adult can legally get a gun easily and considering the potential danger of the item it seems reasonable to have to wait to have a background check done. If for some reason the process hits a snag for a normal buyer and they have to wait even a month longer than typical in order to do due diligence then so be it. If someone has the desire to get a gun it shouldn't be an impulse buy in the first place.

Talking about buying an expensive item on principle to stick it to the powers that be sounds like hot air mixed with frustration and a dash of kool-aid. The NRA has political clout way beyond it's importance. I wouldn't be surprised if some gun fans would like to have the NRA become a government agency ala the EPA. Better yet replace the EPA with the NRA, they might suggest.

What is so wrong with having a reasonable balance? Guns are not all bad and their ownership is protected, so they are here to stay contrary to what you hear from some. So the extremes need to get mature and stop playing a game of I have to get everything I want or I will flip the table.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://kdvr.com/2016/06/14/gun-sales-surge-after-orlando-shooting/

The Pink Pistols is a national gun club for gays and lesbians. It saw its membership soar from about 1,500 members on Saturday to 3,500 on Monday.

Dozens of new chapters are springing up, including one Smith is creating in Colorado Springs. He said it’s something he feels compelled to do, even though he’s heterosexual.

“I look at it as a disenfranchised minority that needs someone who’s willing to say I’m a resource who’s here and willing to help,” he said.

Another chapter also appears to be forming in the Denver area. The Pink Pistols typically meet on a regular basis at firing ranges to practice shooting.
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As long as they are the Pink Pistols and not the Pink Assault Rifles I think it is a fine idea. Gun safety, sport shooting, and the like is legit. Just the absurd notions of "I deserve to be able to shoot a howitzer" mentality needs some toning down, to put it mildly. Guns are fine, just tone down the rhetoric, gun fans.
 
Bandwagonfansince77 said:
Yet this guy bought an assault rifle legally and you don't know that he could have picked up an illegal one easily. Also, like with the last shooter who had a neighbor that bought weapons for him, they can get them quite easily since they are legally obtainable.

My question is why is an assault rifle even necessary? It is not a sport rifle, which I 100% support the ownership of. It is meant to kill other humans and is damn good at it. Why can't we have some reasonable laws that prevent mentally ill, suspected terrorists, watch list, et al from getting weapons and similar gun paraphernalia? A normal adult can legally get a gun easily and considering the potential danger of the item it seems reasonable to have to wait to have a background check done. If for some reason the process hits a snag for a normal buyer and they have to wait even a month longer than typical in order to do due diligence then so be it. If someone has the desire to get a gun it shouldn't be an impulse buy in the first place.

Talking about buying an expensive item on principle to stick it to the powers that be sounds like hot air mixed with frustration and a dash of kool-aid. The NRA has political clout way beyond it's importance. I wouldn't be surprised if some gun fans would like to have the NRA become a government agency ala the EPA. Better yet replace the EPA with the NRA, they might suggest.

What is so wrong with having a reasonable balance? Guns are not all bad and their ownership is protected, so they are here to stay contrary to what you hear from some. So the extremes need to get mature and stop playing a game of I have to get everything I want or I will flip the table.
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It doesn't even matter if the gun is "necessary". This is America, and we are free to do and purchase what we want. Having the Government infringe upon that is not something I agree with. You give an inch, they take a mile. It just doesn't sit right with me.

But.... You hit the nail on the head. "reasonable balance". I am totally okay with that. Meaning, I support banning mentally ill people, people on watch lists, and the normal background checks in order to get weapons. Just like with any weapon, car, or plane, there is an assumption of responsibility and respect that the tool requires. If people cannot demonstrate that then they should not be able to attain said tool until they can.

I however do not support a ban on assault rifles, because I think the logic behind that is fucking stupid and shortsighted. These people that continue to steer the topic toward gun control are missing the bigger issue at hand, which is domestic terrorist attacks due to the USA as a nation allowing people like him to exist in our country. The FBI really dropped the fucking ball on this guy big time.
 
Bandwagonfansince77 said:
My question is why is an assault rifle even necessary? It is not a sport rifle
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True. I do not own mine for sporting purposes. But it is not an assault rifle, the M16 is and so is the AK47. Mine is just a semi auto.

I really like the old Thompson, but geez, it cost too much to shoot, and those magazines loaded with 230 grain bullets are too heavy to pack many.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
http://www.godhatesfags.com/
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Oh I know the fools and dumb asses exist, I won't even try to explain why. But I can't finds any where that Jesus teaches anything untoward about homosexuals. I am sure crandc find the idea that marriage is the joining of a man and woman
(Matthew) unfair. But I think that is just defining the union.

Mohammad on the other hand, doubled down on Leviticus and the story Lot(Lut in Arabic), and specified harsh treatment in his Hadith. Where as, Jesus teaches not to judge and to absolutely leave vengeance to God.
 
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MarAzul said:
Oh I know the fools and dumb asses exist, I won't even try to explain why. But I can't finds any where that Jesus teaches anything untoward about homosexuals. I am sure crandc find the idea that marriage is the joining of a man and woman
(Matthew) unfair. But I think that is just defining the union.

Mohammad on the other hand, doubled down on Leviticus and the story Lot(Lut in Arabic), and specified harsh treatment in his Hadith. Where as, Jesus teaches not to judge and to absolutely leave vengeance to God.
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I can tell you are good guy, MarAzul, but it is avoiding the issue to say, "Our teacher Jesus said this and that pleasant thing" when the actual actions of more than a handful of the followers of the faith of christianity in all of it's various incarnations are not in line with his teachings. All of you have to own up to what the religion on the whole says. Here is an exaggeration to hammer home my thought. Please follow along with my thought experiment.

If christianity had 1 million followers and only one of them followed the teachings properly, and the rest were, for example, still burning "witches" at the stake. Would you be willing to say that the religion was not worthy of continuing, since only one person was following the religion the way _you_ saw fit? That one person following the religion the "right way" would be the infidel according to all of the rest of the faithful. So you see, it's all a matter of what works for the group and what they want to take and add to the religion. There is no one "right way" to follow a religion. As I'm sure there are things Jesus had supposedly said you think are immoral or plain stupid. To wit:

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

"Ye are the children of them which killed the prophets. ... Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? ... Upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar."

The reality is that christianity has morphed over the years and your interpretation of what is right and what should be followed in order to be considered a "good christian" is not the same as millions of others that consider themselves "good christians". It is extremely common to get defensive when one of the more absurd variations of christianity does something screwed up, like http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...ic-burnt-witches-at-stake-says-UN-report.html

or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism with it's rituals of snake handling and talking in tongues.

I am an equal opportunity disliker of religion, so please don't think I am singling out christianity. Eventually I will get on the case of islam and how it is essentially the worst game in town. What I'm just trying to impress upon you here is that you can't use "But the religion is just not being followed properly. These fake christians just aren't doing it right".

Sounds really similar to what muslims say about their religion. "It's not the Quran that says these things that ISIS espouse. The Quran teaches peace and to treat others with respect. These terrorists aren't real muslims, they are perverting the word of Allah" etc.

While it's obvious that I don't believe in a god, please don't think that I'm trying to single you out for ridicule. I'm just trying to open a discussion about what appears to be hypocritical and fallacious so that we all can learn something along the way. If I'm off base, I'm always willing to alter my views to reflect a new understanding of the subject.

Cheers
 
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