One and Done...Done?

[oldfisherman]

You can always tell a socialist.
But, you can't tell him much.

 

[e_blazer]

I personally don't wanna have the discussion at all.

Personally, I'm really tired of free market conservatives acting like there's this invisible hand that steers the market. It's bullshit.

Free market means free to run over the common man. Corporations are not people.

You need to work on your conversation closing skills.

 

[dviss1]

You can always tell a socialist.
But, you can't tell him much.

O fucking T...

Bottom line: you agree with socialism too. Our Military is the most socialist entity on the planet.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

O fucking T...

Bottom line: you agree with socialism too. Our Military is the most socialist entity on the planet.

I'm not sure that the government providing something that private citizens aren't capable of providing for themselves--ie, common defense of the republic--really qualifies as "socialism".

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

So about that one and done rule...

 

[dviss1]

So about that one and done rule...

It sucks. Get rid of it.

 

[dviss1]

I'm not sure that the government providing something that private citizens aren't capable of providing for themselves--ie, common defense of the republic--really qualifies as "socialism".

OT but healthcare should be on this list... no? 37 other OEC nations thinks it should be... We're too busy enriching corporations.

 

[handiman]

You need to work on your conversation closing skills.

Refs always get the last word.

 

[dviss1]

Refs always get the last word.

The whistle is the end all be all.

 

[dviss1]

How about capitalism can be abused (like socialism and all other forms of government)? And you know the U.S. isn't a democracy, right? (hint: constitutional republic). More people need to read up on why we weren't set up as a democracy, as I'm sure they don't teach that in public schools.

This literally has nothing to do with Capitalism.

 

[Reep]

This literally has nothing to do with Capitalism.

No, just correcting an all too common misconception that we live in a democracy. We don't.

FWIW, I don't really disagree with you on how capitalism is abused. I just haven't yet seen a better alternative that works consistently and maintains freedoms any better.

 

[dviss1]

No, just correcting an all too common misconception that we live in a democracy. We don't.

FWIW, I don't really disagree with you on how capitalism is abused. I just haven't yet seen a better alternative that works consistently and maintains freedoms any better.

You didn't need to correct something that wasn't even being discussed.... It was completely irrelevant.

And there are MANY alternatives that are working better than the US. Look at Sweden, Switzerland, and Iceland who JAILED their bankers and hand no ill effects from the "global economic downturn"... This is really OT...

Now, that one and done rule?

It sucks.

 

[Reep]

Now, that one and done rule?

It sucks.

A way to protect owners from themselves. I actually really struggle with this one. From a player's point of view, they should be able to get any contract they can when they finish high school, just like many other sports. But, this does place a lot of pressure on teams to take high cost bets early on to try and lock down the LeBron's and KDs of the world. You end up getting more misses than hits and that impacts the rest of the league. If I have to pick a side it would be on the free market and the only requirement would be that you can play ball (not even high school graduation, but must be at least 18) just like almost any other job.

 

[dviss1]

A way to protect owners from themselves. I actually really struggle with this one. From a player's point of view, they should be able to get any contract they can when they finish high school, just like many other sports. But, this does place a lot of pressure on teams to take high cost bets early on to try and lock down the LeBron's and KDs of the world. You end up getting more misses than hits and that impacts the rest of the league. If I have to pick a side it would be on the free market and the only requirement would be that you can play ball (not even high school graduation, but must be at least 18) just like almost any other job.

All the free market conservatives should be against a one and done rule. Let the "free hand of the market" determine the results? No need for rules right? Shit can just regulate itself?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

All the free market conservatives should be against a one and done rule. Let the "free hand of the market" determine the results? No need for rules right? Shit can just regulate itself?

The one and done rule was created by a business organization that chose to self-regulate.

 

[Hoopguru]

I personally don't wanna have the discussion at all.

Personally, I'm really tired of free market conservatives acting like there's this invisible hand that steers the market. It's bullshit.

Free market means free to run over the common man. Corporations are not people.[/QUOTE

Oh OK!

 

[Reep]

All the free market conservatives should be against a one and done rule. Let the "free hand of the market" determine the results? No need for rules right? Shit can just regulate itself?

Agreed.

 

[handiman]

A way to protect owners from themselves. I actually really struggle with this one. From a player's point of view, they should be able to get any contract they can when they finish high school, just like many other sports. But, this does place a lot of pressure on teams to take high cost bets early on to try and lock down the LeBron's and KDs of the world. You end up getting more misses than hits and that impacts the rest of the league. If I have to pick a side it would be on the free market and the only requirement would be that you can play ball (not even high school graduation, but must be at least 18) just like almost any other job.

The Player's Union probably wouldn't go for it, but how about an amnesty clause for rookie contract, straight-from-HS players? That way, teams aren't stuck with gambles that don't pan out, and HS graduates have no age restriction. The teams would still waste the draft pick, but not much can be done about that.

 

[Reep]

The Player's Union probably wouldn't go for it, but how about an amnesty clause for rookie contract, straight-from-HS players? That way, teams aren't stuck with gambles that don't pan out, and HS graduates have no age restriction. The teams would still waste the draft pick, but not much can be done about that.

Yeah, I like that. I'm not sure the Players Union would object. The younger kids get there money and their shot. If it doesn't work out the team is out the money, but isn't anchored to the contract via the cap. Probably favors bigger market teams with more money, but no worse than anything else.

 

[handiman]

You might be right, the Players Union is more interested in protecting the interests of their established players than the not-yet-rookies.

 

[jlprk]

I see your point, but thats why its important to have limited government, or limited restraints on markets. With two many regulations and restraints on commerce only stifles the growth and increase the cost of things of which the consumer takes the brunt.

You give the U.S. Republican Party line as if no one disagrees. Most European capitalists disagree with your absolutism.

 

[dviss1]

The one and done rule was created by a business organization that chose to self-regulate.

They aren't self regulating. That was collectively agreed upon.

They don't just make rules like this themselves.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

They aren't self regulating. That was collectively agreed upon.

They don't just make rules like this themselves.

Was the one-and-done rule foisted upon the NBA by external forces, or did the owners of the various franchises of a single entity (the NBA) come up with it collectively absent any governmental influence?

As far as I'm concerned, that's private enterprise self-regulating.

 

[jlprk]

Was the one-and-done rule foisted upon the NBA by external forces, or did the owners of the various franchises of a single entity (the NBA) come up with it collectively absent any governmental influence?

As far as I'm concerned, that's private enterprise self-regulating.

Why is self-regulation better than external regulation? It's still artificial man-made regulation. Let nature rule. For example, if I feel like killing someone, what's the problem?

 

[dviss1]

Was the one-and-done rule foisted upon the NBA by external forces, or did the owners of the various franchises of a single entity (the NBA) come up with it collectively absent any governmental influence?

As far as I'm concerned, that's private enterprise self-regulating.

Neither. They came up with it and it was agreed upon in the CBA. It took negotiating. That's not self regulating, that's consensus.

 

[riverman]

I'm not sure that the government providing something that private citizens aren't capable of providing for themselves--ie, common defense of the republic--really qualifies as "socialism".

As a vet I definitely think the military is socialistic in nature...I've mentioned this before but join up and you waive a lot of rights americans enjoy....the military is absolutely patterned after socialistic principles..

 

[oldfisherman]

As a vet I definitely think the military is socialistic in nature...I've mentioned this before but join up and you waive a lot of rights americans enjoy....the military is absolutely patterned after socialistic principles..

As a vet, I disagree.
If our military was socialistic, it would own all the factories that make their weapons and supplies.

I believe the nearest label for our military would be "meritocracy".

 

[Hoopguru]

You give the U.S. Republican Party line as if no one disagrees. Most European capitalists disagree with your absolutism.

Who said anything about me being a republican?
Im a proud libertarian that thinks both radical lefties and righties are so far out their both lost.
Im just for smaller gov, fiscally responsibility and for social equality.
And abide by the law and believe in the constitution...I have for most of my almost 70 years!
Im out on this one as it should be in OT. see, even an old fisherman fart like me can learn.

 

[riverman]

As a vet, I disagree.
If our military was socialistic, it would own all the factories that make their weapons and supplies.

I believe the nearest label would be "meritocracy".

Try refusing to throw aerosol cans and pollutants in the ocean on a garbage rep in the navy sometime..you'll get court martialed..it's absolutely socialistic in nature...even the Nazis farmed out manufacturing to the Austrians....doesn't change the fact that uniforms and military regulations are socialistic...and you do not have freedom of speech in the military unless you also want to risk the brig....you cannot refuse a direct order even if you're correct

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Try refusing to throw aerosol cans and pollutants in the ocean on a garbage rep in the navy sometime..you'll get court martialed..it's absolutely socialistic in nature...even the Nazis farmed out manufacturing to the Austrians....doesn't change the fact that uniforms and military regulations are socialistic...and you do not have freedom of speech in the military unless you also want to risk the brig....you cannot refuse a direct order even if you're correct

You're conflating the economic system of socialism with the regulatory system of a dictatorship. Two completely different things.