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agreed and overly obvious calls. I like Lanning’s balls to go for it, but there are some times it’s good to play it safe.
Chad and Dwight had on some stat guy and he said that league wide you only have about a 40% chance of converting a 4th down when it’s 4th and 3 or more. And then taking that risk in your own territory is…. Not great.
 
The defense had been playing really well. Turning it over on 4th down in our territory gave them momentum. Pinning them down in their own territory would have been a very different situation.
I don't think our defense played well at all after our corners went down. I had no doubt they were marching down the field and scoring immediately.
 
Chad and Dwight had on some stat guy and he said that league wide you only have about a 40% chance of converting a 4th down when it’s 4th and 3 or more. And then taking that risk in your own territory is…. Not great.
If the Ducks converted 40% of their 4th and 3s in this game they would have won... If they would have converted their season average they would have won fairly easily.

What they needed was for their player to execute and they would have won that game. It's okay. Mistakes happen.

If the players execute on the 3rd and 4th downs they would have won by 3 touchdowns. And that's what they should be focusing on, IMO. Not questioning their system.
 
Chad and Dwight had on some stat guy and he said that league wide you only have about a 40% chance of converting a 4th down when it’s 4th and 3 or more. And then taking that risk in your own territory is…. Not great.

stopped reading at Chad and Dwight. Was gonna stop at Chad but then I gave a second chance.
 
This combo of Irving and James is interesting. I think Bucky will break 1k for the season but it's going to be harder for James to get there. He's at 463 with 5 games left. He'd have to put up some big numbers. Those Chip Kelly/Helfrich teams put up filthy rushing numbers.

I don't think it reminds me too much of LaMichael James and Kenjon Barner because those two were just insanely fast players. However, I don't think those two ever had a season where they both went over 1k. James was too much of a workhorse.

Maybe more like Maurice Morris and Onterrio Smith?

Whittington kinda reminds me of Blount. We had a season where Johnson and Blount put up over 1k each back in 2008.
 
Would missing the field goals have helped?

I probably would have taken a field goal on one of them. On the other hand, Lanning had a time out on all of them and they liked their look. And they were 8 of 10 on 4th down coming into the game.

If the players had executed the Ducks would have won by 2 touchdowns.

There were timeouts, there was time. I dunno. It’s always 20/20 after the fact, right?
 
No question this is a big game for the Ducks. Makes or breaks their season to this point. The rest of their season is either at home or on the road against teams they should beat.

So they aren't making a package 12 championship game on a neutral field? What a burn.
 
If the Ducks converted 40% of their 4th and 3s in this game they would have won... If they would have converted their season average they would have won fairly easily.

What they needed was for their player to execute and they would have won that game. It's okay. Mistakes happen.

If the players execute on the 3rd and 4th downs they would have won by 3 touchdowns. And that's what they should be focusing on, IMO. Not questioning their system.

Yeah, I can do that math!

Two of the 4th downs almost certainly would've led to TDs. So 40% of 7 points = 2.8pts vs 90% of 3pts = 2.7pts.

The other 4th down would've ended the game. Felt like Washington had more than a 40% chance of scoring a TD on the last drive if we punted.
 
Yeah, I can do that math!

Two of the 4th downs almost certainly would've led to TDs. So 40% of 7 points = 2.8pts vs 90% of 3pts = 2.7pts.

The other 4th down would've ended the game. Felt like Washington had more than a 40% chance of scoring a TD on the last drive if we punted.
Yep. For sure. They were almost certainly scoring on that drive. Going for the last 4th was 100% the right call, IMO.

Also, SI says 4th downs from the 3 yard line is a 49% conversation rate, for what it's worth.

Analyzing Oregon's Failed Fourth-Down Attempts in Washington Loss
The Ducks were aggressive in a 36–33 loss to the rival Huskies. Here's a breakdown of their three unsuccessful fourth-down attempts.
RICHARD JOHNSONOCT 15, 2023
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Every high level player or coach will tell you the process is more important than the results in building a program and attempting to win a game. The problem is that in sports, the results speak louder than the process that led to them. The scoreboard says you win or you lose. The result is a cold binary, even when the process is deeply nuanced.


Consider the fact that Washington is, by multiple measures, perhaps the best offense in college football. That alone means that you have to change the calculus of how you think a game should be managed by a coach when facing the Huskies. But for Oregon’s Dan Lanning, it didn’t, because he’s already aggressive in his fourth-down decision making in an effort to maximize the opportunities at points for his team. When Oregon ran a fake punt with a 300-pound defensive lineman as a ball carrier from their own 17-yard line against Colorado while leading by 13, Lanning was lauded as a wily gambler. When Oregon got stopped on fourth down (as it did against Washington and Oregon State last year) Lanning got crushed as foolhardy for losing the game for his team. Such is the dichotomy of weighing the process against the results—which, in this case, was a 36–33 Huskies win.


While these decisions are not all the same, they speak to Oregon’s aggressive identity. How these decisions play out underscores the fact that merely making the call to go for it or not is not the only factor involved here. Oregon went 0-for-3 on fourth downs against Washington. The decision to go for it all three times does not reflect a poor process, but the Ducks got none of them as a result of their own execution lacking and Washington's defense rising to the task.


With some help from sports consulting firm Championship Analytics founder and president Michael McRoberts, let’s take a peek under the hood to break down what factors caused the results for these three fourth down decisions that ultimately played a huge role in the Ducks’ demise.

Oregon’s Bo Nix threw for 337 yards with two touchdowns in a 36-33 loss to Washington.
Oregon’s Bo Nix threw for 337 yards with two touchdowns in a 36-33 loss to Washington.

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Fourth down No. 1
Score: Washington leads, 22–18
Time: 0:06 left in the second quarter
Down-and-distance: Fourth-and-goal from the Washington 3-yard line

The Ducks were actually only in this position after Washington converted on its own fourth-and-1 to extend its final drive of the first half. Two plays later, Michael Penix Jr. threw an interception. Oregon drove into the red zone and had first-and-goal at the 10-yard line and both third- and fourth-and-goal from the three. It opted not to run the ball on any of its four chances. On third down, quarterback Bo Nix rushed an incomplete pass to a receiver that would have gotten at least gotten very close to scoring had it been caught. On fourth down, Oregon ran a sprint out play where Nix rolled to his right—further compressing an already crowded area on the field—and the half ended with a whimper when the pass fell incomplete.


Of the three fourth downs, it’s the one that is most open for criticism—especially given Oregon got the ball coming out of the half.

According to data provided by TruMedia, teams are 49% on fourth down plays from the 3-yard line. Oregon’s elite offense scores 4.8 points per drive, far above average. If you give Oregon 100 plays from the 3-yard line, they will score around 350 points if they go for it every time. If they kick a field goal every time, they’ll likely miss a few and get around 285 points, in McRoberts’s estimation. He considers going for it as the clear winner in a long term strategy sense. You would only need to make about 42% of the plays from three to break even. Oregon’s play here simply didn’t work. And given the three point margin in the final score, it’s hard to ignore that this one ended up being particularly costly in the end.
 
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I think this works for both the men's and women's teams. One year, the men play at home and the women on the road. The next year reversed. Will work for baseball and softball too. And volleyball

won't happen in football
 
I think this works for both the men's and women's teams. One year, the men play at home and the women on the road. The next year reversed. Will work for baseball and softball too. And volleyball

won't happen in football

Yeah, football schedules so far in advance, it'll take a while until they can schedule each other again.
 
Fox is so garbage at replays.

I wanted to see that Franklin drop.
 
Gus Johnson is not happy about how this game is going

STOMP
 

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