Game Thread Oregon Ducks vs Auburn Tigers - August 31st, 2019, 4:30pm

[tlongII]

I dunno. I was just happy they lost.

 

[AldoTrapani]

I just find this coaching staff to be extremely underwhelming.

They're world class recruiters...... but not really good at the coaching part of coaching.

Christobal is a terrible coach. Amazing recruiter. But he’s just not an X and Os guy

 

[AldoTrapani]

For me its herbert. He’s got the NFL body, but he’s never put it together for me. He hesitates a lot. Doesnt throw guys open, has accuracy issues. He’s a very good game manager in college, the NFL talk is mostly potential because of his physique. He needs to start looking like the best player out there, he needs to take over games.

The defense has been coached pretty well IMO. The offense looks like they ran out of new material in the 2nd quarter...

Never liked him. Success just hasn’t happened with him at Oregon. I know he had some coaching changes and all but he won’t be remembered at Oregon..

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Definitely not out of it. If Auburn has a good season. They could have started off with the usual South Dakota or Eastern Washington and everyone would be happy I guess.

Thats the conundrum of CFB. You schedule weak and you get punished for not having a tough schedule. You schedule good opponents and lose and you’re also screwed. The idea is to be Bama or Clemson and it just doesnt matter lol.

 

[hoopsjock]

Ok Im on my phone so this response wont be as good as what your post deserves.

Its not that I expect a NC its that nothing else really is a fulfilling season for me. A rose bowl, ok? Thats nice but its a consolation prize for not getting 1st, its like a division championship in the NBA ok.

I get that Herbert hasnt been surrounded by Clemson / Bama level talent, but they have had good recruiting classes of late. I think its fair to say Verdell and Dye thus far dont look like LaMichael James or Deanthony Thomas, and I get that but I also dont believe that Herbert is making those guys better. Herbert might move on to the NFL and be the next Mahommes I don't know, but I very much believe he hasn't ever performed in college like the hype around him suggests he should. Yes he’s had good games and here and there a great one, but I dont feel like he makes NFL like throws and reads, I dont think he makes a lot of winning plays. The best thing about him is he rarely losses the game. Though in the stanford / Auburn games his fumbles led to huge momentum shifts.

Whats interesting though is those long list of names, very few of there offensive players have gone on to do much in the NFL. So its not like their college talent has ever been like Bama who churns out NFL RB’s.

Im sure the coaching and play calling doesn't help Herbert either. There are lots of factors and its not just Herbert, I just dont like all the hype around Herbert as some Heisman level QB or that he’s “number 1 pick”, worthy. Thats what irks me. He’s never really come close to Mayfield, Mariota, Manziel, Winston, etc numbers and WINS.

I’ll still enjoy watching the Ducks this year, but its frustrating that every shot they get to actually get some respect, for them OR the conference they find ways to lose. They continue to prove the points that their critics make. They continue the tradition that in those type of games they might come close, they may even dominate parts of the game, but they will find ways to choke. Its old, and definitely not 100% on Herbert, but also he’d get the “glory” if they won, so he can take some of the blame when they lose.

I think this is where recruiting and the need for immediate gratification gets blurred. Alabama and Clemson are more talented because they have years and years and years of recruiting at a high level. Most of their backups are 3-4 star guys. It's great to have your school become a recruiting power but it's very rare that one or two good recruiting years leads to immediate success. You have to maintain it for at least 4 years so that the guys in the first good recruiting class get up to be juniors and seniors while filling holes and depth with the young guys.

Oregon is in a really weird position with a highly touted senior QB and mostly veteran offensive line but are pretty young with the rest of the offense.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I think this is where recruiting and the need for immediate gratification gets blurred. Alabama and Clemson are more talented because they have years and years and years of recruiting at a high level. Most of their backups are 3-4 star guys. It's great to have your school become a recruiting power but it's very rare that one or two good recruiting years leads to immediate success. You have to maintain it for at least 4 years so that the guys in the first good recruiting class get up to be juniors and seniors while filling holes and depth with the young guys.

Oregon is in a really weird position with a highly touted senior QB and mostly veteran offensive line but are pretty young with the rest of the offense.

Oh I understand that. Like I said I didnt expect a NC, I just want one... Like really bad, that and/or a Blazer Championship I really want to see one.

I also really want to see them stop just finding stupid ways to lose. Dropped passes, fumbles on the goal line, leaving a WR open. Its just old...

 

[hoopsjock]

Thats the conundrum of CFB. You schedule weak and you get punished for not having a tough schedule. You schedule good opponents and lose and you’re also screwed. The idea is to be Bama or Clemson and it just doesnt matter lol.

I wish they'd go to 6 teams for the playoffs. Each power 5 conference gets one representative and then one non-group of 5 qualifier (give a team like UCF a chance). The committee still ranks the teams.

1 and 2 get a bye. 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5.

It only adds two games to the whole season. The only problem is that it makes non-conference meaningless except to determine other bowl game eligibility but games like last night would help Oregon prepare for the Pac-12.

Did you want the NCAA to adopt the playoff? If so you're kind of proving the point of those against it that it makes everything else less relevant.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I wish they'd go to 6 teams for the playoffs. Each power 5 conference gets one representative and then one non-group of 5 qualifier (give a team like UCF a chance). The committee still ranks the teams.

1 and 2 get a bye. 3 plays 6 and 4 plays 5.

It only adds two games to the whole season. The only problem is that it makes non-conference meaningless except to determine other bowl game eligibility but games like last night would help Oregon prepare for the Pac-12.

Did you want the NCAA to adopt the playoff? If so you're kind of proving the point of those against it that it makes everything else less relevant.

I wanted a 6 or 8 team playoff. All power 5 get one rep at least. The 4 team thing a step in that direction, but it does make it so the other Bowls mean less.

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

2011 Ducks lose same game against LSU then win 10 in a row and 12 of next 13 games including beating Russel Wilson Bowl game.
Very tough hurting loss but they will be ok...nobody expects them to win the naddy but they have a chance to win the Pac12.

How are they going to win the Pac12 when Washington is? Weird.

 

[Hoopguru]

Tough loss for sure!
"How many in here remember " The Thrill of Victory, The Agony of Defeat" Wide World of Sports!

Even though Oregon lost last night I saw some things I liked and they can build on. For me# I like their secondary and #99 was a beast of the line. Also, their punter was super last night. I also like that they didn't cough the ball up in the back field except that one mishap on the handoff. They ran the ball back decent punts and kick offs and dint cough it up like they have over the years. And they really cut down on penalties which is a good thing for sure. Its just 1 game I know but remember 2011 they got rolled and looked terrible against LSU in the same game at Jerry's place, then ran off ten straight and 12 of 13.
We did'nt get rolled at all last night and I expect them to start rolling themselves into Husky stadium. Quack!

 

[Phatguysrule]

Christobal is a terrible coach. Amazing recruiter. But he’s just not an X and Os guy

Thats OK. Just needs great coordinators. I think defense is set for at least a little while. Need a great offensive coordinator.

 

[Tince]

Also, HE made huge mistakes in all three, he fumbled the ball last night near the goal line, he fumbled in the Stanford game last year near the goal line. Both lead to points.

I think Herbert is just an "Ok / Good", college QB that gets talked up way more than is deserved.

You might want to go back and look at the clip of the Stanford fumble. It was a snap 100mph about 10 feet in the air that he jumped up and got a finger on. You might be right that he's only a good college QB, but it appears the examples being used to prove this are reaches.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You might want to go back and look at the clip of the Stanford fumble. It was a snap 100mph about 10 feet in the air that he jumped up and got a finger on. You might be right that he's only a good college QB, but it appears the examples being used to prove this are reaches.

They botched not one, but two snaps in a row though, and sure we can say Herbert had nothing to do with any of them if you want. It's easy to find people's mistakes and I get that, but I also think it's really hard to find games that Herbert looked like the best player out there. Which typically if you're a "Heisman" candidate, or supposedly a 1st round draft pick type of QB you should have a lot of games where that's the case.

 

[e_blazer]

They botched not one, but two snaps in a row though, and sure we can say Herbert had nothing to do with any of them if you want. It's easy to find people's mistakes and I get that, but I also think it's really hard to find games that Herbert looked like the best player out there. Which typically if you're a "Heisman" candidate, or supposedly a 1st round draft pick type of QB you should have a lot of games where that's the case.

I'm not sold on Herbert as a Heisman winner by any means (and that may be off the table after the Auburn game anyway), but I will say that a quarterback is dependent upon his receivers and the Ducks were missing 5 of them (Brenden Schooler , Mycah Pittman, JR Waters, Juwan Johnson, Lane Wilhoite). Not being able to get separation from defenders had a lot to do with long pass plays being available. It's going to be interesting to see how he steps up as his receivers return.

 

[Hoopguru]

They botched not one, but two snaps in a row though, and sure we can say Herbert had nothing to do with any of them if you want. It's easy to find people's mistakes and I get that, but I also think it's really hard to find games that Herbert looked like the best player out there. Which typically if you're a "Heisman" candidate, or supposedly a 1st round draft pick type of QB you should have a lot of games where that's the case.

He's been way over rated because of that football guru ? last year said he was the #1 qb. I believe he has changed his mind now though.
Herbert knew he wasn't ready to become a pro after last year. This whole hype is just another example what television and social mtg can do.
We will see just how good of qb he is in the next 2 mths.

 

[Tince]

They botched not one, but two snaps in a row though, and sure we can say Herbert had nothing to do with any of them if you want. It's easy to find people's mistakes and I get that, but I also think it's really hard to find games that Herbert looked like the best player out there. Which typically if you're a "Heisman" candidate, or supposedly a 1st round draft pick type of QB you should have a lot of games where that's the case.

You don't think Herbert looked like the best player during the Stanford game last year? If not, who looked better and why?

 

[Strenuus]

You don't think Herbert looked like the best player during the Stanford game last year? If not, who looked better and why?

The fact that you watched football at all....

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

You don't think Herbert looked like the best player during the Stanford game last year? If not, who looked better and why?

Was he even that much better than Castello that game? Didnt he have a INT and only one TD to Castello having 3 TD’s?

I mean opinions vary and thats ok. Ive got nothing against him other than I just don’t see why people are so excited about him as Oregons QB. He may be just fine in the NFL, with coaching and all that.

 

[Tince]

Was he even that much better than Castello that game? Didnt he have a INT and only one TD to Castello having 3 TD’s?

I mean opinions vary and thats ok. Ive got nothing against him other than I just don’t see why people are so excited about him as Oregons QB. He may be just fine in the NFL, with coaching and all that.

I think we're probably much closer on our view of his potential in the NFL, I just didn't love your reasoning.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I think we're probably much closer on our view of his potential in the NFL, I just didn't love your reasoning.

Fair enough. I am definitely salty right now. Though its Monday...

 

[Lanny]

Oh, you're just posting this to piss off the Beavers fans.

Nice.

How did the game go?

 

[e_blazer]

How did the game go?

Terrible, but better than the Beavers game.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Terrible, but better than the Beavers game.

Id rather have lossed the way the Beavers did.

 

[e_blazer]

Id rather have lossed the way the Beavers did.

Not me. The Ducks’ problems look correctable. The Beavers’ “defense”? Not so much.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Not me. The Ducks’ problems look correctable. The Beavers’ “defense”? Not so much.

Yeah but the Ducks looked like they should have won the game for like 3 quarters and found ways to lose. Id rather lose because the other team is just better, than because my team just found ways to give up the game. Like the WCF’s the 1st game was whatever, the next 3 maddening...

 

[Lanny]

Terrible, but better than the Beavers game.

Ouch, you bastard.
At least our flop wasn't on the big stage.

 

[Lanny]

Not me. The Ducks’ problems look correctable. The Beavers’ “defense”? Not so much.

Think of the improvement over the Beavers last year.