Politics Oregon Gov candidates

[barfo]

I tried to watch it but found it too painful to bear. So thanks for the summary.

barfo

 

[twobullz]

Oh if you want to turn the debate into a drinking game, take a drink every time Betsy says independent governor. I am not a big drinker so would have been passed out before the end of the debate.

 

[barfo]

Noway we would become the next Florida and if Drazen wins its more of a vote against the Brown regime. Similar to win Hillary lost to dingleberry. Sometimes people just want a change from status quo.

Sometimes people do really stupid things. And yes, if we elect a female DeSantis, we will become something like Florida, albeit without the hurricanes.

Ill prob vote Betsy she seems to be the only one willing to mediate and conciliate a bi partisan effort.

Then you'll help elect Drazen. Which is fine if that's what you want. It will be 'a change', so there's that.

barfo

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Oh if you want to turn the debate into a drinking game, take a drink every time Betsy says independent governor. I am not a big drinker so would have been passed out before the end of the debate.

Or every time Drazan says "I'm the only one..."

 

[Hoopguru]

Sometimes people do really stupid things. And yes, if we elect a female DeSantis, we will become something like Florida, albeit without the hurricanes.



Then you'll help elect Drazen. Which is fine if that's what you want. It will be 'a change', so there's that.

barfo

I may end up not voting, not sure at this point.
Do pirates do stupid things?
No, I don't want Drazen but I do like more than a 2 party race.
Betsy got bonus points from me as she was the only one that said "she wouldn't be beholden to lobbist". And to me its ok to criticize Per's, nothings perfect (and my Wife is a tier 1) retiree.

Sounds like you are interested in only a one party system?

 

[barfo]

I may end up not voting, not sure at this point.
Do pirates do stupid things?

Pirates have a lifetime of regrets, and plenty of time to contemplate their failures as they sail onwards.

No, I don't want Drazen but I do like more than a 2 party race.

The poll makes clear this is a 2-party race. Johnson is too far behind to have a shot at winning.

Betsy got bonus points from me as she was the only one that said "she wouldn't be beholden to lobbist". And to me its ok to criticize Per's, nothings perfect (and my Wife is a tier 1) retiree.

Sounds like you are interested in only a one party system?

I'd like two or more parties, but the current Republican party needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot.

barfo

 

[twobullz]

Betsy is full of shit if she doesn't think she will be beholden to doing what Phil Knight wants her to do. That money isn't free.

I am more worried about her allegiance to the Timber and commercial fishing industries. Those are two groups who control a lot of the public resources in this state and have way to much power and she is tied to both.

 

[Hoopguru]

Pirates have a lifetime of regrets, and plenty of time to contemplate their failures as they sail onwards.



The poll makes clear this is a 2-party race. Johnson is too far behind to have a shot at winning.



I'd like two or more parties, but the current Republican party needs to be taken out behind the barn and shot.

barfo

At least I know you are not anti gun! lol
I was raised by a dem family, parents and grandparents, always a straight ticket regardless.
I decided to become a free agent voter a number of years back. Still am.

 

[Hoopguru]

Betsy is full of shit if she doesn't think she will be beholden to doing what Phil Knight wants her to do. That money isn't free.

I agree with that, all politicians are beholden to someone and probably zero are not bought and paid for.

 

[Phatguysrule]

The one thing I will add to your summaries about the hospitals, is that Johnson and Drazan to me both seemed more worried about protecting the CEO and their pay compared to the people in the field.

Agreed.

 

[Kano John]

I may end up not voting, not sure at this point.
Do pirates do stupid things?
No, I don't want Drazen but I do like more than a 2 party race.
Betsy got bonus points from me as she was the only one that said "she wouldn't be beholden to lobbist". And to me its ok to criticize Per's, nothings perfect (and my Wife is a tier 1) retiree.


How about a no party system? One person, one vote, no political parties!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Thank you for this. I listened to about the first 55minutes of the debate this morning. These are my summaries:

• Opening salvo:
  • Johnson: "Oregon won't go anywhere if we're divided. I won't let anything pass without bi-partisan support. I am supported by former heads of both parties, a republican ex-senator and a democrat ex-governor."
  • Kotek: "I'm a good person. I volunteer. Central Oregon likes to get stuff done, and so do I."
  • Drazan: "Kate Johnson sucked. You're no better off now than 8 years ago, and probably worse off. These other two aren't going to do anything different than she did, but I will."
• Gun violence (measure 114)
  • Kotek: "I support the measure. NRA supports both my opponents. We need to pass 114 and support additional new regulations ensuring background check on every sale, red flag laws, raising age to 21 to buy 'guns of war'. I am committed to ensuring young people no longer have to do active shooter drills in school."
  • Drazan: "I oppose the measure. Our gun laws are already strong. Laws will not prevent every tragedy. Government taking more freedoms will not make us more free."
  • Johnson: "I oppose the measure. It's costly to small local governments and not funded. I support additional gun laws including raising the age for some guns--but this is not a good measure.
    • Rebuttals:
      • Kotek: "I don't believe you Betsy, and nobody else does either"
      • Johnson: "You supported Kate Johnson releasing violent criminals"
      • Drazan: "Neither of you made kids safer. You even supported drug-user needle exchanges near schools
• Homelessness
  • Drazan: "I'll declare a state of emergency on homelessness. Need to support mental health and shelter space, but need to hold people accountable for making poor choices, including those who choose homelessness."
  • Johnson: "I'm actually doing something about it, repurposing wasted space. We need to reverse our "laissez-faire" attitude toward drugs. We need to address mental health."
  • Kotek: "I agree that we can restrict where people can live outside. We need to work tent-by-tent with individuals. My opponents opposed project 'turn-key'"
    • Rebuttals
      • Johnson: "I didn't oppose turn-key, but I had questions about its cost. Also, Kotek voted to allow tent cities"
      • Drazan: "Tent-cities are Kotek's fault. Both she and Johnson allowed measure 110."
      • Kotek: "I didn't say living outside was OK--just that it was unconstitutional to jail people for doing so."
• Housing affordability
  • Johnson: "Affordability is due to supply. Need to build 580K units next 10 years. Need to make more land available and reduce regulation. Need to expand urban growth boundaries."
  • Kotek: "Need 360K units the next 10 years. More construction workers. Get young people into trades."
  • Drazan: "Kotek has been one of the chief regulators to put more restrictions and costs on builders."
    • Rebuttals:
      • Kotek: "I tried to protect people from being evicted, and these two fought me on it."
      • Johnson: "But we also needed to protect the landlords who had 2 years of costs and no rent"
      • Drazan: "This was a one-party failure, where we had money to get out to landlords to support their lost rent, and the democrat-run state government failed to do so."
• Grade for Kate Brown in pandemic handling
  • Kotek: "Not gonna grade Kate. I'll grade the legislature that we were all a part of. My opponents here fought me on everything, so I'll generously give them a D+"
  • Drazan: "Not surprised. Kotek refused to hold Brown accountable for anything. I will--she gets an F because of how long kids were out of school. They were impacted the most by our COVID response."
  • Johnson: "Completely agree with everything Drazan just said."
    • Rebuttals:
      • Kotek: "I didn't want schools to be closed so long. We need to focus on supporting kids now."
      • Drazan: "Both opponents voted against reopening schools."
      • Johnson: "No, Christine, that's inaccurate."
• What will you do to support hospitals?
  • Drazan: "I will support a well-rounded healthcare system. I will lead with facts, not fear."
  • Johnson: "I supported hospitals. Kotek put too many conditions on money that could have been given to hospitals."
  • Kotek: "I advocate for access to affordable healthcare. I support the people on the ground, not the CEO's. I'm supported by nurses. My opponents are supported by CEO's."
    • Rebuttals
      • Johnson: "This is where an independent governor is valuable, because I wouldn't be beholden to nurses associations or other political lobbying organizations."
      • Drazan: "This is the problem with a single-party system. We can't be picking winners and losers."
      • Kotek: "We can't take care of our people if we don't have workers to care for them. We don't have a "nurses" shortage; we have nurses who aren't willing to be mistreated by organizations run by overpaid and unregulated executives"
      • Drazan: "Eroding the foundations of the hospital system will ensure that the nurses won't have anywhere to work."
• Our standardized test scores have dropped. What would you do?
  • Johson: "First, raise standards. Make schools focus on core competencies rather than socio-political issues.
  • Kotek: "Kids need mental wellness supported, smaller class sizes, and more choices around career and technical education. I passed a bill to help with that. Drazan voted against it, and Johnson doesn't like it"
  • Drazan: "I'm the only parent on this stage. Yes raise standards. Restore stronger graduation requirements.
    • Rebuttal
      • Johnson: "The problem with the student success act was the lack of accountability built into it. We also needed PERS reform, and it wasn't there."
      • Kotek: "Neither of these other two want more money in schools. I'm not going to politicize our schools."
      • Drazan: "I had legislation to fully fund schools--Kotek killed it. She picked winners and losers, and our kids suffered for it."
• What are your beliefs on higher education and funding
  • Kotek: "Need to increase college funding and support for student cost. Need to fund community colleges. Increase Oregon opportunity grant."
  • Drazan: "Community colleges are wonderful. I love them. University system also needs to commit helping students graduate in 4 years."
  • Johnson: "I think this is one of the few things that we all agree on. Universities need to stop cannibalizing each other--our 7 public universities need to complement each other rather than compete."
• When does life begin; should Oregon law be changed?
  • Drazan: "Yes, I'm pro-life. Oregon laws are the most extreme--elective abortion the day before birth is legal. I will uphold the law, even if I disagree with it."
  • Johnson: "I'm unapologetically pro-choice. I'm not going to opine on when life begins--I'm not a doctor. But I fully support a woman's right to choose."
  • Kotek: "Medical choice is a personal thing. Government should not be involved. Our laws are not extreme--they're where they need to be. It's not enough to say you'll follow the law; you need to champion them. I'm the only candidate supported by Planned Parenthood."
    • Rebuttals:
      • Johnson: "Planned Parenthood is wholly-owned by the democratic party; I was not given the opportunity to be supported by them. But I'm absolutely as pro-choice as anybody."
      • Kotek: "No--you were given the choice to present to them; you chose not too. I'm the only one who can be trusted to protect women's rights."
• Measure 110 (decriminalized small amounts of hard drugs)--stand or repeal?
  • Johnson: "Repeal. It's terrible. Drug problem in this state makes us an attractive place for drug abusers. Needs to go back to voters a second time."
  • Kotek: "Voters said we need a better way than just jailing drug users. I'm not quitting on this. 110 may be imperfect, but we need to refine, not repeal."
  • Drazan: "110 is killing people--OD deaths are up 20%. This needs to be repealed."
    • Rebuttal
      • Johnson: "$800M has gone out with no accountability. We don't just throw more good money after bad"
      • Drazan: "I opposed this measure from the beginning"
      • Kotek: "people are dying, and we want to spend time repealing laws? We need to get more recovery services out there and get people healthy"
      • Drazan: "This is Kotek--don't change, just keep doing the same thing we're already doing badly"

They were just getting to climate change when I had to stop. I'll have to catch the rest of it later.

Damn Platy, hell of a good job! Thanks!

 

[donkiez]

So the Oregonian published a poll today, 32% Drazan, 31% Kotek, 18% Johnson.

Assuming the poll is accurate, then I'd say Johnson is taking more votes from Kotek than Drazen, because in a 2 way race, there's just no way that Drazen would be ahead. At least, conventional wisdom would say so.

So, potential Betsy voters, this should be a wake-up call. She ain't gonna win. Who's your second choice - is it Drazen?

barfo

Everyone wants more choice in candidates and hate on our two party system. When we get more choices though, everyone hates that also, and it still is really just two choices.

 

[Chris Craig]

Oh if you want to turn the debate into a drinking game, take a drink every time Betsy says independent governor. I am not a big drinker so would have been passed out before the end of the debate.

You would have died

 

[barfo]

Everyone wants more choice in candidates and hate on our two party system. When we get more choices though, everyone hates that also, and it still is really just two choices.

Politics isn't about being happy. Nobody anywhere ever says "gosh, I love politicians and our system of government".

barfo

 

[Phatguysrule]

I agree with that, all politicians are beholden to someone and probably zero are not bought and paid for.

There is something like a $700 ROI for every $1 large corporations spend on politics.

You'd have to be some kind of extremist to be uncorrupted by that.

 

[Hoopguru]

Sometimes people do really stupid things. And yes, if we elect a female DeSantis, we will become something like Florida, albeit without the hurricanes.



Then you'll help elect Drazen. Which is fine if that's what you want. It will be 'a change', so there's that.

barfo

I believe betsy takes away votes from drazen. Any rep in Oregon would think they could harvest the independent/moderate vote, I just think many of those will go to Betsy.
If Tina is beat its nobody's fault but her own she should be try to win over more ind & repub votes and not lose any dem votes.

 

[Hoopguru]

Tina said she's a good person and volunteers, John Gruden said he was a good person and went to church.
I cringe when someone publicly says they a good person.

 

[Chris Craig]

Noway we would become the next Florida and if Drazen wins its more of a vote against the Brown regime. Similar to win Hillary lost to dingleberry. Sometimes people just want a change from status quo.
Ill prob vote Betsy she seems to be the only one willing to mediate and conciliate a bi partisan effort.

Uh, things didn't turn out to well after the dingleberry was elected. Drazen will work to ban abortion and destroy African American history and transgender equality in schools here. No thanks.

 

[Chris Craig]

Tina said she's a good person and volunteers, John Gruden said he was a good person and went to church.
I cringe when someone publicly says they a good person.

I agree there. You should show you are a good person, not tell everyone you are.

 

[Hoopguru]

Uh, things didn't turn out to well after the dingleberry was elected. Drazen will work to ban abortion and destroy African American history and transgender equality in schools here. No thanks.

IMO, no way drazen beats tina becasue of Betsy. To many democrats liberals ind in this State. Betsy takes votes away from Drazen so Tina should win going away. If she doesn't it's her own fault.

 

[Chris Craig]

IMO, no way drazen beats tina becasue of Betsy. To many democrats liberals ind in this State. Betsy takes votes away from Drazen so Tina should win going away. If she doesn't it's her own fault.

I don't think she does either. Like I said the poll was a small number of voters comparitively. I don't think it's nearly as close as it's being made out to be. Just saying I don't want Drazen as the next Governor.

 

[Chris Craig]

I don't agree with this. Betsy takes away votes from Tina more than you think.

I don't think it's going to be enough to give Drazen to win. Best case for Drazen is it's close and she refuses to concede and yells out voter fraud election denier style.

 

[Hoopguru]

I don't agree with this. Betsy takes away votes from Tina more than you think.

Thats cool. I feel there are more on the fencers that will gravitate towards Betsy. Tina has a much larger base than the the repub. There are many repub are sick of the party and will jump to Betsy rather than Tina.

 

[Hoopguru]

I don't think she does either. Like I said the poll was a small number of voters comparitively. I don't think it's nearly as close as it's being made out to be. Just saying I don't want Drazen as the next Governor.

agree.

 

[Kano John]

I don't think she does either. Like I said the poll was a small number of voters comparitively. I don't think it's nearly as close as it's being made out to be. Just saying I don't want Drazen as the next Governor.

Listening to her voice makes me cringe like scaping fingernails on a blackboard!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Listening to her voice makes me cringe like scaping fingernails on a blackboard!

I agree with you. I know it shouldn't matter, but for some reason it does.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Uh, things didn't turn out to well after the dingleberry was elected. Drazen will work to ban abortion and destroy African American history and transgender equality in schools here. No thanks.

Not to mention prevent any movement toward reducing carbon emissions or other environmental issues.

You would think Democrats would be focusing on these important issues rather than politically charged issues that don't make much of a difference.

But it's all politics, so we'll have to get ready for a close race in the hopes that a wingnut who believes in magic over science doesn't gain control of our state.

Whoopee

 

[Hoopguru]

There are many democrats that are sick of the drug and homeless problems too that I think will vote for Betsy.

Most dems nowadays are devout, I don't expect many to jump ship.

 

[twobullz]

Most dems nowadays are devout, I don't expect many to jump ship.

So you think more cult members will jump ship on Drazan then Dems on Tina? I doubt that.