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@SlyPokerDog - if you can set up a meet and greet with Lamar Hurd, i'd love to ask him what his favorite memory was of my roommate in college since they were teammates :cheers:
 
Where do the majority of WSU fans live? Come on man, you can't be this obtuse. It's really not that hard to understand that WSU has a chunk of the Seattle market, just the facts. Whether you choose to believe it or not, the numbers don't lie. It's not about how far a school is from a city, it's about the make up of the fanbases and the demographics of the cities. It would be like saying the Dallas market belongs to SMU, when it's dominated by Texas and Texas A&M.

As for the bigger TV numbers coming from bigger games, that's a no shit sherlock type of statement. Of course more fans are going to tune in for bigger games and those bigger games are going to tend to be on the bigger networks, so it becomes a self fulfilling prophesy. End of the day though OSU being #20 in viewership in 2023 wasn't done just because of their opponents, people are tuning in to watch OSU as well. WSU punching above it's weight in TV numbers for years has to do with the fans tuning in and the brand that was built. Even then why is Arizona always towards the bottom of the pack when it comes to P4 schools when it comes to ratings, as is ASU?

obviously I'm wrong...that's why OSU/WSU are in the Big 12
 
This explains a bunch. The coast is not Portland at all. Matter of fact the Locals on the coast hate Portland. The Coast is very conservative and yes you will find more OSU fans there for sure.
The whole country is conservative except for small dots of blue for all the big cities. East Oregon is the same as 95% of Texas, or Idaho, etc. Yeah there are a few Eugene cities or other college towns but those are small exceptions.
 
obviously I'm wrong...that's why OSU/WSU are in the Big 12
Your the one that came in and started talking about how the OSU TV market is primarily Corvallis. Thats blatantanly misleading as bigbailes said. OSU is closer to PDX than UO. bigbailes point of UT Austin/ Texas A&M is totally valid.

Yeah we all know the Ducks have Nike, booster $, and other national following that OSU doesn't. Yeah we know the Beavs weren't in demand for the big12. Those reasons have nothing to with the Corvallis or Eugene TV markets.
 
It's laughable for anyone to think OSU's TV market is primarily Corvallis. I'm in the TV/radio media world for work, I see sports TV viewership ratings daily. The amount of people in the Portland market that watch a Beaver game on TV is significantly higher than the amount of people watching in Corvallis, its not even close. It's obvious why, there is a shitload more people in Portland vs Corvallis. Same can be said for Portland vs Eugene for Ducks games.
 
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No idea how its changed the last 9 years but OSU is just as liberal if not more so than Eugene nowadays. It was incredibly liberal when I attended in the late 2000's.

https://www.klcc.org/politics-government/2016-06-02/corvallis-now-bluer-than-eugene

When I attended students would go get into debates with the conservative booths that would pop up at the MU building.
Not exactly sure why but OSU is considered much more conservative than U of O in conservative areas. I think some of that has to do with the agriculture and forestry type majors it offers.
I honestly don’t think it has much to do with the actual students attending.
 
Not exactly sure why but OSU is considered much more conservative than U of O in conservative areas. I think some of that has to do with the agriculture and forestry type majors it offers.
I honestly don’t think it has much to do with the actual students attending.
Oh I know thats the rep it has, I think people that still think that are buying the history of the towns. Eugene has always been a hippie town. I'm just saying, corvallis is extremely liberal nowadays.
 


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The whole country is conservative except for small dots of blue for all the big cities. East Oregon is the same as 95% of Texas, or Idaho, etc. Yeah there are a few Eugene cities or other college towns but those are small exceptions.
What are you talking about? You are aware that dirt doesn't watch TV, buy tickets, or vote, n'est pas?
 
Explain what the possible controversy is please!!!
 
Your the one that came in and started talking about how the OSU TV market is primarily Corvallis. Thats blatantanly misleading as bigbailes said. OSU is closer to PDX than UO. bigbailes point of UT Austin/ Texas A&M is totally valid.

Yeah we all know the Ducks have Nike, booster $, and other national following that OSU doesn't. Yeah we know the Beavs weren't in demand for the big12. Those reasons have nothing to with the Corvallis or Eugene TV markets.

if it wasn't clear (it was), I was referring to ASU being in the Phoenix metro area (5 million); Colorado being in the Denver metro area (3 million); Utah in the SLC metro area (1.3M); and Arizona being in the Tuscon metro area (1 million)

compared to OSU in Corvallis counting a city 85 miles away as part of their TV market. Or WSU in Pullman claiming that Seattle is their TV market when it's 285 miles away. Eugene is closer to Seattle than Pullman is.

when the Pac-12 collapsed, the Big-12 was there ready to add teams. There was a pro-rata clause in the existing Big-12 media deal. The media partners and the conference were willing and eager to exercise that clause in order to add those 4 schools. They weren't willing to exercise the clause for OSU/WSU. I guess maybe they just didn't buy the argument that OSU brought Portland along and WSU brought Seattle.
 
ACC, Pac-12 Spent Record Amounts on Lawyers in FY24

The Atlantic Coast Conference spent $12.3 million on attorneys fees in fiscal year 2024, while the Pac-12 spent $11.8 million—believed to be the highest and second-highest legal expenditures ever recorded by college conferences in a 12-month span.

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The Pac-12’s unraveling accelerated after USC and UCLA announced their plans to defect to the Big Ten in 2022, leading to eight more of the Pac-12’s member schools announcing their departures to the Big Ten, ACC and Big 12 the following year. By Aug. 1, 2024, only Oregon State and Washington State remained. As part of a negotiated settlement finalized in early 2024, the departing schools agreed to forfeit a combined $65 million in revenue distributions—$6.5 million per school—to resolve disputes over governance and financial control.

The tax returns show that, through FY24, Oregon State and Washington State took only about a third of the settlement in distributions, which worked out to about $46.5 million to each school. The departing schools, by contrast, received slightly more than $30 million apiece, just about $3 million less than they received in the fiscal year 2023.

Leadership turnover added yet another layer to the Pac-12’s unraveling. Former commissioner George Kliavkoff, who left in February 2024 amid mounting scrutiny, earned $3.63 million in total compensation for the 2023 calendar year—slightly down from $3.98 million the year prior.

In total, the conference spent $57.3 million on salaries, compensation and employee benefits in FY24—up significantly from $40.3 million the previous fiscal year. The sharp increase was largely due to a sweeping organizational overhaul, which included retention bonuses and severance payouts. The conference staff shrank from roughly 190 employees—including those at the now-defunct Pac-12 Networks—to around 30.

Sure enough, not everyone left happily.

Throughout FY24, the conference defended itself against a wrongful termination lawsuit filed by former Pac-12 Network president Mark Shuken and CFO Brent Willman, who were dismissed in early 2023 over the Comcast overpayment scandal. According to reports, the conference had long been aware of the discrepancy, which only came to light through a Comcast audit.

Shuken and Willman claimed they were unfairly scapegoated for a problem they had flagged to former commissioner Larry Scott. They filed suit in April 2023 in California state court, and the parties reached a settlement in principle by May 2024 for undisclosed terms. Shuken received $201,378 in 2023 compensation, according to the Pac-12’s tax filing.

In September 2023, Washington State and Oregon State filed for a temporary restraining order in Whitman County (Wash.) Superior Court against the conference to preserve the league and its control of assets. The move came after Kliavkoff scheduled a board meeting that the two schools argued would “doom the Pac-12’s ability to survive past 2024.” In December, the parties announced they had reached a settlement, which was finalized in March 2024.



Aside from lawyers, a significant portion of the league’s independent contracting expenses in FY24 stemmed from the development of the conference’s new production facility in San Ramon, Calif. The Pac-12 reported spending $25 million across three firms for construction work related to the project. The Pac-12 Network officially shut down in June 2024.

After abandoning its pricey (and controversial) downtown San Francisco office digs, the conference was able to cut its occupancy expenditures by more than 60%—from $9.8 million in FY23 to just $3.86 million in FY24.

The conference’s primary sources of revenue—$381.5 million in television rights fees, $120 million from post-season bowls and $11 million in advertising—all were slightly down from the previous fiscal year.

The Pac-12 also faced challenges in collecting payments. It reported a $4.6 million expense under the line item “provision for doubtful,” which, according to the league spokesperson, represented accounts receivable that remained unpaid as of the end of June 2024.

One debt the conference did manage to recover was a $1.86 million interest-free home loan extended to Scott, Kliavkoff’s predecessor, when he was hired in 2009.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/college-sports/2025/pac-12-tax-return-fy24-legal-fees-1234852692/
 
https://www.espn.com/college-sports...e-allows-pac-12-lawsuit-mountain-west-proceed

A federal judge has allowed the Pac-12 Conference's lawsuit against the Mountain West Conference over $55 million in "poaching fees" to go forward.

Northern District of California Senior Judge Claudia Wilken denied the Mountain West's motion to dismiss the case Tuesday. She set an initial case management conference for Nov. 18.

"The Pac-12 Conference is pleased that the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California denied the Mountain West Conference's motion to dismiss," the Pac-12 said in a statement. "We will move forward with our case. The ruling allows our antitrust and related claims to proceed. We remain confident in our position and focused on advancing academic excellence, athletic achievement, and the tradition that has defined the Pac-12 for more than a century."
 
I know what you think....basically it's that the Big-12 and their media partners are wrong about the value of OSU/WSU. I think they are probably right
The TV numbers don't agree with you, I mean check out that vaunted AZ/ASU duo!
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The TV numbers don't agree with you, I mean check out that vaunted AZ/ASU duo!
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and again, you believe that those numbers prove the Big-12 and the media partners are wrong about OSU/WSU value. My take is that they are looking at all numbers available, know what they are doing, and see where the profit is....and where the dead weight is

anyway, we've taken this food fight as far as we can. I would have preferred that OSU/WSU had been accepted into the Big-12, but that wasn't an option apparently
 
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